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Posted: 15 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: aahana86

Diya deeply moving post ... so true Diya the loss of a loved one kills a part of you and you are stuck inside it forever especially if you feel you have apart to play in it

this is an experience - a reality i would like to share here publicly on this forum - guys dont take this as a fictional thing i came up with it's real

when someone u love so much dies ... a part of u dies with them but what kills u is the guilt ...which you may have if u feel that loss was caused by you or as i said u played a part in it

the story i am abt to share is of 2 brothers - the elder was 26 and married - his wife expecting their first child 3 months pregnant - the younger 22 - both brothers worked together and owned a traveling business
the elder brother was to leave on a tour - for business - however the younger insisted he'd go - he wanted to see the new place besides he didnt want bhabhi to be without his elder bro esp as the first 3 months are said to be more crucial - the elder tried explained ; the bhabhi to said she was fine however the younger one was adamant finally he won
he left for the tour 3 days later only to die in a freak road accident - electrocuted due to a wire from an electric pole struck by lightning in heavy rainfall hitting the bus he traveled in killing him in an instant the next day itself

the elder one was grieved depressed and shattered his bro's death made him blame himself so much so he'd isolate himself from even his wife thou she was pregnant - depression and tension developed high BP problems for him at such a young age too for the next 6 months their lives were lost in a dark hole

later the wife delivered a baby girl - whose presence - whose coming in their lives changed the things and their happiness slowly returned .. the bro could get over his grief as in the face of his daughter he found a new reason for living ... a new hope - which is sometimes all u need



Gosh, Aahana, that is such a tragic story ... such a senseless death! Yes, so true ... in times like this, you do need a reason to live, a reason to go on ... a new hope, as you put it ... because an incident like this changes the lives of everyone around. The person who goes actually has it the easiest ... the ones who are left behind have by far the tougher time.
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Posted: 15 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: myownarea


@diya & mads, yup the thoughts do match and yes, its the only thing to do, imagine they are away somewhere happy..

Well, I also wanted to agree on the thoughts abt JKR :) ...

HP & POA is one of my favourite books simply because of the time turner and the friendships and how death changes everything

and yes Diya like Dumbledore says ..the one u truly love never really dies, they live in you



Divya, POA is one of my favourite books too and the way JKR has handled death in that as well as Dumbledore's death in HBP is really beautiful and heart touching as well ... but for me, Fred is not dead 😉 ... call that denial, call that whatever you want ...

@bold ... truer words were never spoken ... do we ever, EVER forget those we really loved? However much time goes by, they always live on in some corner of our hearts.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: ayesha_80

Diya, first of all, a bigggg huggg to u for such a brilliant post. I completely agree with you that it is the MOST emotional track of MJHT till date. No, i'm no way saying that Gunjan's heartbreak post the V-nite ball, was any less...still, for me, this one is of muchhhhh greater intensity.

Also, you are very right, that the rapid increase in RTA's are one of the major causes of youth's death in today's time n age. But, we never learn from our mistakes, so, why learn from other's. And by the time, we learn, either we are seriously injured, crippled for life, or lose life. In each of these cases, not only we, but our entire families suffer.

Coming to thes how now, you know very well, wat and how I feel about this whole thing. I'll try n elaborate it here, to put forth my POV, and I'm sorry, if I go off-track, coz like u all, SaJan and this track has literally drained me.

About Mayank'I agree with you. He's living in grief, a grief of a lifetime. He looks backs and cherishes the beautiful memories he had with his wife. For me, Mayank himself defined his approach and his outlook towards life now, i.e. after Nupur. He said that in every situation, he thinks, how Nupur would've reacted and this gives him the direction and the strength. So, for him, Nupur is and will always remain his strength.

Moving on to Gunjan'she lost her mother, when she was very young, may be a kid. Though, no one can take the place of a mother, but Nupur didn't leave any stone unturned and gave Gunjan a sisterly, and more importantly, motherly love. She put herself in her mom's shoes for Gunjan, and tried her best never to let her feel the loss, which they both shared.

This accident, not only took her sister away, but she again lost her mother, and this time, may be the pain was much more than previously (plz, don't misunderstand me, I'm just saying MAY BE)'In other, and simple words, this accident took away everything from her. Now, we had a loooong discussion session after the epi., and u know, how I relate this whole incident to Gunjan being back in her shell. What I would like to add here, is that we know, Gunjan, by nature, was a strong girl, a mature person. But in everyone's lives, there comes a time, an incident, that shatters the most strongest and mature person. Logics take back seat and emotions, rule the heart and mind. Same happened with Gunjan. After she gained conscious, she asked the nurse about her Di, Jiju and SAMRAT. The reply she got, made her fall from the sky, to the ground, and she broke into pieces. She calmed down her jiju'but'for Samrat, she closed that hole of her shell, from where she could see him, hear him, reach onto him, and also ensured that he doesn't see, hear and reach her.

Like I said yesterday also, there are two ways, to deal with pain. One is to accept it, face it and try to move on. Gunjan, for me, has followed this path. She has made a mission in life, and that is to help others. And she may b successful in it'she's changed her dressing'she's become more confident'and she's changed'and as I say, change is inevitable, and more so, after such accidents. But, for her own self, she's not moved on. If she had, she wudn't have come to the place, where she has had amazing memories of her Samrat'if she had moved on for her own self, her heart beat wudn't have raced when Samrat called her Chashmish for the first time, and she felt his presence'if she had moved on for herself, she wudn't have avoided his eyes last night. No matter how harsh words she used, she didn't say that she hates Samrat. She said, that those Samrat and Gunjan have died. And I tell u, that if we believe someone has died, we feel for them with much more intensity'and we cherish, each and every second of the memories we have with those persons. If for her, Samrat and Gunjan have died'then that means that she's buried them in her heart and no matter how hard she tries, those memories can naver fad away'coz its no hatred'its still LOVE.

Now, as u said, there are two ways, she can come out of this. Either, take out her anger..or experience the pain of losing HIM (I wudn't say, him dying, but the fear of him being dead will have the equal impact for her). Both ways, Samrat will b the one bearing it'and for him, this will be his punishment that he's longing to have. In both the cases, the end result will be the same'Gunjan has piled up her emotions within herself and she need to take them out. If she takes them out in the form of anger, she will ease, not only herself, but also him, of the guilt that he has been living with. Second option ' if Samrat tries to harm himself, she will blame herself for it and will do everything to stop him. In both the cases, the heart that is frozen like a block of ice, for the past 3years, will start melting'and when it will start melting, the hole of her shell, will automatically start opening and widening.

Coming to Samrat'I've never felt soooo bad for anyone, like I am feeling for this boy. If she lost her sister and mother'he also lost everything, his whole family, his life'and the worst part was that, in addition to losing everything, he was left alone, with a companion that one dreads to have and that is a guilt. A guilt of killing his dear friend, his best friend's wife and most importantly, killing the most important person in the life of Gunjan, his soulmate. How can one possibly survive after sooo much grief, pain and guilt. I always feel, that one can live with grief, but its impossible to live with guilt'and Samrat is living this impossible life'why'coz the day she left him, she had a hope. A hope that one day, he will find her..he knows, that she might never forgive him, still, he wanted to be with her..to console her'to lend her a shoulder to cry on.

For Gunjan I said, that she accepted the pain and tryied to move on. Sam followed the other option, and that is to remain standing there where he was three years ago. And the main reason for this, according to me, is the guilt that he has. He may now be the trustee of Excel'but for his own self'he lost his identity at that very point. Every night, he wanted to end his life'he drowned in the sea of regret, loneliness, self-blame and guilt and this never let him move on in life. Is this even called a life what he is living'I seriously don't have an answer to it. So, his irony'he cudn't live..he cudn't die'still, he's alive!!!

So, if Gunjan went in her shell after Nupur's death, Samrat found himself in a tunnel. A tunnel, which was completely dark and black, still, at the farthest corner, he could see a light. This light was the HOPE he had'this light, stopped him from dying every night'this light gave him the courage to stand up whenever he fell'and this light made him pass three years of his life in complete darkness and loneliness.

In yesterday's epi..that hope died'the light at the end of the tunnel disappeared and darkness prevailed everywhere.

There's a line from one of my favorite song and it suits Sam..I know I haven't made sense above, so maybe, this helps is explaining wat I wanted to say:

Hazaar rahein mudh ke dekhein, kahein se koi sadda na ayi''''

Jahan se tum modh mudh gaye the, ye mudh ab bhi wahein khadey hein

And for Gunjan:

Hum apney peron mein janney kitney bhanwar lapetey huey khadey hein

From here, I don't know where he will head, how he will react'coz I know that everything dies, when hope dies..and him, his hope has died now.. And she'she still hasn't allowed herself to open the hole of her shell. They both are alive, but are not living. They have breaths coming, but they are not breathing'and I don't know how long this suffocation will last'coz its not only them who r suffering, we all also are living their pain..

Diya, I'm extremely sorry'I've got carried away while replying and have written a long reply. I'm sure I haven't made even the "s" of sense here. But I've written wat I feel for SaJan..and ur post gave me the platform to express myself. So, "kaan pakkad"

And to the rest, plzzz, this is purely my POV, and I know most of u will not agree with it. Also, I have no intentions of bashing anyone here'still, if u feel that I've done so (though unknowingly), I apologoze for that beforehand.



Ashu, first of all, the song!!! 👏😭 can't put it in words better ... so will not even attempt.

Agree with you on all your points too, about Mayank, Gunjan and Samrat ... especially Samrat ... living with grief is still possible, but living with guilt is killing, it's torture every day, every hour, every minute.
As for Gunjan, she's moved on ... but only physically ... not mentally, not emotionally. She's breathing, she's eating and drinking, she's working, she's doing what needs to be done to stay alive. She's trying to make a life out of the ruins she was left with ... but she's locked her heart, her feelings, her emotions away ... like you said, she's closed that hole through which she could reach him, but with that she has also tried to close the door to all pain and sorrow. And till she opens it and lets herself grieve fully, she will only be alive .... not living.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: DiyaS



Divya, POA is one of my favourite books too and the way JKR has handled death in that as well as Dumbledore's death in HBP is really beautiful and heart touching as well ... but for me, Fred is not dead 😉 ... call that denial, call that whatever you want ...

@bold ... truer words were never spoken ... do we ever, EVER forget those we really loved? However much time goes by, they always live on in some corner of our hearts.

Diya, our apparent differences in choices seem to melt away with HP and JKR, maybe we shud meet in the HP forum 😆
Cos I agree with what you say ..completely..Nobody handled death as beautifully as JKR and oh yes dumbledore's death sigh...if something were as piognant then we would embrace death as well wouldnt we? Like D says after all to the well organized mind, death is nothing but the next adventure..
oh well since MJHT writers are no where near the pairon ka dhool of JKR I m not comparing..
and yes to me Fred lived on :) just like Nupur LOL..
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: VampirePrincess

Beautiful Post hun👏
Yeah i agree road accidents are very common, cause of death among the young one's all tht is true..
The six stages u mentioned sum up the whole feeling...its true..thts how it always is..

About MJHT
Mayank- I agree with ur each and every word..and as ahaana says the fear of losing samrat as well, might have changed his thinking, and perhaps thts why he is thinking of forgiving sam. that afterall it was an incident...not samrat's fault.
Gunjan- I agree she has to break down, but the fact tht she is living sanely helping disturbed kids is very wierd to me. I dnt understand that, when she isnt over her mourning, and has not accepted death,still dwelling as to how nupur could have been alive. how is she able to console others? one cant, i myself have tried...one cant console and provide support when they themselves need it.
Doesnt it become a case of "easier said than done" for gunjan?
If i think from ash's pov i will feel only anger on gunjan.
Coz then isnt it wrong to tell others to move on, when she herself hasnt. To tell them to forgive the wrongdoers and move on when she herself hasnt? and tht too she blames a person who was never at fault...tht is being selfish..? no i dunno wat to state it. But she is thinking only of nupur. What about samrat? Nupur was his friend as well, Cant she see his pain?
And when mayank said in the prev scene, tht they encouraged him to drive fast gunjan said "no i didnt"
So that means mayank's encouragement was fine or tht he wasnt driving so its fine? or is mayank forgiven bcoz he lost a wife.

If mayur werent married had gunjan blamed mayank the same?just the way she is blaming samrat?
Does the bond the two guys shared with nupur makes the difference?
That mayank married her and loved her as a wife and tht samrat loved nupur as a friend?
Does this make mayank's pain worst than samrat's ??
I have my doubts there, gunjan is not right when it comes to thinking logically. But her behaviour is justified for she lost her only shelter her elder sis....i had said tht in a prev post, but the injustice of it all on samrat, is simply becoming hard to bear.😕
But what if it had been the other way around? What if Samrat had died in that accident? Who would she have blamed? Her sister and Mayank - for making him take that drive to the airport? For urging him to drive fast? Blame and guilt won't bring Nupur back ... they will only make the lives of the rest a living death. And until Gunjan realises this, she and Samrat can never get back together, she can never get back to living.
^^I cant agree more..!
Tough track, no easy answers. I can see how Mayank and Samrat can heal ... but Gunjan?
^^ same goin on in my mind, this track is very interesting, and m eager to watch the upcoming episodes.

Again beautiful post👍🏼



zeejay, thanks for replying.
About Mayank, I guess we all agree, both on his anger at Samrat and now his subsequent softening ... like aahana said, maybe he received the same phone call, maybe seeing Sam's guilt he remembered that he too had told Samrat to drive fast, so he should share part of the blame ... and like he said, he can see and feel Nupur all around him and within him still, and he wonders what Nupur would have done in his place ...

About Gunjan ... like I said, she's TRYING to move on. She is a mixture of head and heart, she is very mature and strong from within, but she is also very deeply emotional and both those sides are warring within her. How can she counsel others ... because she can feel their pain, can understand pain, loss, because she has been through it herself. She is living a normal life, because she has locked that part of her life away, her emotions, her grief - she has not allowed herself to even think about that part of her life, which is why she ran away from mumbai, from excel and from Samrat. It's as though she has frozen her emotions, so she can carry on with normal life, look and seem normal on the surface, but inside, she is as damaged as Samrat and Mayank are. They're all just dealing with it differently, that's all. And yes, she is not being logical for blaming Samrat ... that's just the point. When you're in this phase of grief, you're NOT logical ... your mind tells you something, that the breaks failed, that the truck came at the wrong time, that Samrat managed to save three lives ... but he lost one ... whoever had died in the accident, the others would have felt some guilt, would have played the blame game ... because by blaming someone, by venting your anger, you try to lessen your grief, your sense of loss ... and that's exactly what Gunjan is now doing. It's not right ... it's not fair ... but that's why the phrase "crazed with grief" - emotions rule the mind completely.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Diya, really well said on the 6 stages of grief. Although, I have been totally disinterested with the show after losing my most fav. character, I couldn't help commenting after reading all the posts in this thread. I would like to add on to Divya's points regarding Mayank.
Mayank being able to forgive samrat is because of the fact that he somewhere deep inside blames himself for the accident. I don't think he really blames samrat for nupur's death, what we see is only his anger and desperation which is directed towards samrat just becos he was the one driving the car. Just few days before the accident, Mayank and nupur exchanged their wedding vows again where he promised her to protect her from death, this was something coming straight from his heart. The fact, that despite being in the car he wasn't able to save her is killing him....the fact that he is still alive when she is dead.....tat's the pain the survivors of a turmoil go through when they lose their loved ones. It's like blaming oneself for being alive.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Loved the post DiyaS! 😊
Beautifully written and agree with each and every line!!

This hasnt gone quite the way I expected it to be. I always thought that Gunjan is the sensible one, she is the smart one. She is the angel. She knows what and when to do. She knows what is right and wrong. But with this, the CVs have proved that she is a human afterall. And humans have flaws. And that makes her anger quite justified. Afterall nobody is perfect. And that decreases my hatred for her.

Gunjan needs to understand that DESTINY and FATE, Nobody can control these things. Whatever is meant to happen, it WILL happen!! No matter how or why you want to stop it, it indeed will. Samrat was at the wheel or Mayank, it doesnt matter. What matters is, that it was time for her to go and she went. Nobody can avoid death.

Mayank is being sensible. He always thinks practically and I LOVE him for that!! Though he has lost the love of his life, he still is willing to forgive Samrat because he understands the basic funda - Nobody can avoid the plan that destiny has for them!

Samrat is really good. I love the way Mohit acts!! He is feeling guilty because he thinks it was HIS fault. Again, problem lies in the way they think. You always need to BLAME someone for something goes wrong. Even I do. Sadly, thats how the human mind works and we cant change it.


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Posted: 15 years ago
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Diya really well said. Mads, everyone its really amazing to read such wonderful insights.

Revathy bang on about Mayank. I have not been watching the show so can't contribute much but how I wish that such beautiful ideas and emotions were executed well on the screen as well. Sad it is, my experience with the show where usually emotions are shown in extremes.

I hope that there is something good for you guys ahead.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Senny

Diya really well said. Mads, everyone its really amazing to read such wonderful insights.

Revathy bang on about Mayank. I have not been watching the show so can't contribute much but how I wish that such beautiful ideas and emotions were executed well on the screen as well. Sad it is, my experience with the show where usually emotions are shown in extremes.

I hope you that there is something good for you guys ahead.



Senny, am not really watchin the show...although, I try to catch some scenes of Mayank, becos nupur would be mentioned....Mayank is the worst affected of the three, moving on for him is a long way to go and is only in terms of getting on with life. He might be able to forgive samrat, but I don't think he would ever be able to forgive himself
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: DiyaS



Gosh, Aahana, that is such a tragic story ... such a senseless death! Yes, so true ... in times like this, you do need a reason to live, a reason to go on ... a new hope, as you put it ... because an incident like this changes the lives of everyone around. The person who goes actually has it the easiest ... the ones who are left behind have by far the tougher time.



Diya that is what made things worse this was a freak accident as i said when i posted it.. and i know it to be true cause someone close to me was actually associated with the story.. it' happened in her family

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