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Posted: 15 years ago
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Divya,
Thanks for replying ... I understand completely what you mean, because I would have felt exactly the same way if Gunjan had died, which for a couple of days we did think was happening ... for me, Season 1 would have ended with the Sajan engagement and I would have imagined Sajan living happily ever after in some private heaven of their own somewhere ...

And again ... I agree with you ... there is no recovery for Mayank Sharma ... he moves on, but he will always carry the memory of that beautiful bright spark within him, the spark which lightened up his life and brought a new and wonderful dimension to it. And that memory is his biggest strength ... for him too, Nupur cannot die ... as long as he is alive, she lives inside him ... that's probably why he is able to forgive Samrat ... or will ... because that's what Nupur would have done. And why he can carry on ... again, because that's what Nupur would do ... and she's still very much part of him ...

Hope my thoughts agree with yours this time! 😛
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: aahana86

Diya deeply moving post ... so true Diya the loss of a loved one kills a part of you and you are stuck inside it forever especially if you feel you have apart to play in it

this is an experience - a reality i would like to share here publicly on this forum - guys dont take this as a fictional thing i came up with it's real

when someone u love so much dies ... a part of u dies with them but what kills u is the guilt ...which you may have if u feel that loss was caused by you or as i said u played a part in it

the story i am abt to share is of 2 brothers - the elder was 26 and married - his wife expecting their first child 3 months pregnant - the younger 22 - both brothers worked together and owned a traveling business
the elder brother was to leave on a tour - for business - however the younger insisted he'd go - he wanted to see the new place besides he didnt want bhabhi to be without his elder bro esp as the first 3 months are said to be more crucial - the elder tried explained ; the bhabhi to said she was fine however the younger one was adamant finally he won
he left for the tour 3 days later only to die in a freak road accident - electrocuted due to a wire from an electric pole struck by lightning in heavy rainfall hitting the bus he traveled in killing him in an instant the next day itself

the elder one was grieved depressed and shattered his bro's death made him blame himself so much so he'd isolate himself from even his wife thou she was pregnant - depression and tension developed high BP problems for him at such a young age too for the next 6 months their lives were lost in a dark hole

later the wife delivered a baby girl - whose presence - whose coming in their lives changed the things and their happiness slowly returned .. the bro could get over his grief as in the face of his daughter he found a new reason for living ... a new hope - which is sometimes all u need



wow ahaana..what a touching story! 😭😭

@ bold : I know .. all three were uptil now living on their hopes..their dreams .. gunjan-samrat of their life together .. mayank-nupur of their life together .. and all of their dreams and hopes came crashing down in jus ne tiny micro second .. changing their worlds upside down ..

and for uptil now..they are almost afraid to dream..to hope .. because what if it happens again? and its soo natural .. when u lose out on ur hope..ur dreams .. u find it difficult to regain ur faith in them again .. and it happens to the most optimistic of persons .. jus one death experience which v hear has the potential to do this to us..toh the ones who hav gone thru this ..v dont even understand what they are going thru even tho v say v do..v can never understand what they are going thru .. and everyday v are thanking God that its not us .. selfishly, but its true!

and here, all three need to find a new reason..a new hope to live .. and they wud find this inspiration from nupur .. who always lived her life to the fullest .. yest's mayank and gunjan convo really touched me so much .. when mayank asks "agar nupur humari jagah hoti...toh woh kya karti?"
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Thanks all for writing in ... will be back with more replies later.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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@diya & mads, yup the thoughts do match and yes, its the only thing to do, imagine they are away somewhere happy..

Well, I also wanted to agree on the thoughts abt JKR :) ...

HP & POA is one of my favourite books simply because of the time turner and the friendships and how death changes everything

and yes Diya like Dumbledore says ..the one u truly love never really dies, they live in you

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: aa123.80

edit: Awesome and such a thought-provoking post Diya....

I haven't really been able to decide whose loss is greatest... In terms of relationships, probably Gunjan's lost the most... She lost her sister, her best friend, someone who had taken care of her since childhood and she lost Samrat -someone she was going to spend the rest of her life with.

And I think for Gunjan the hardest fact is, that Samrat was on the wheel when the accident happened.... And that's why she chooses to blame him. Because she's never really come to terms with the fact that Nupur died. For the first time, I feel Gunjan is running away. She left three years ago without saying anything because everything, specially Samrat reminds her of her sister. Which is why she also chose to settle down in a different city altogether. She's the one whose actually the most in need of a shoulder to cry on because she's kept all the grief locked up inside her. She needs to get it out desperately, it's killing her everyday.

What she doesn't realise is that destiny makes things happen. If Nupur had to die, she would die no matter what. She has to face the problem, she has to come to terms with the fact that Nupur's gone and it's not Sam's fault. Breaking all ties, or isolating herself from everyone will only aggravate her pain and suffering. She needs to share it with someone and that has to be Samrat.

For Samrat, you're so right.... He's not only under the depression of Nupur's death but the added burden of guilt, the feeling that he's hurt Gunjan again, and this time taken away someone so precious to her, the guilt of not being there with her when she was at her worst.....

They both need to realise that it was no one's fault. What they need to do is move on. And that's the hardest part.



@ bold : u kno ishita..more than the fact that it was destiny that nupur had to die .. I think she has to accept the destiny that it was via sam that nupur had to die ..and that nothing cannot change .. sam's not a murderer for unknowingly killing nupur .. I mean, had it been sum other person that cud hav died because of his mistake, she wud hav been equally angry wit sam, but it wud have been comparitively easier fr her to think then, becaus her heart wud hav been involved to the minimum extent ..

here, thers a war of her heart v/s her head .. so while her mind goes "but its not completely his fault.." her heart goes "but he killed di.." so again her heart goes "but blaming him wont really get her back " her mind goes "but atleast ther is some justice to di's death.." and her heart again goes "if he wud hav listened to me..I cud have stopped di's death.." and its this continous vicious cycle in which she is caught for over three yrs .. its a surpirse she is smiling really .. but sumwher, she needs to break open this cycle .. and this opening of the cycle is all the more difficult since this time, thers two stubbornly similar individuals together - mayank and gunjan .. had it been nupur, she wud hav consoled gunjan a bit and made her listen to her heart's other call too .. but she isnt ther to guide her anymore .. which is why I think the MaJan scene yest was soo beautiful ..

but again, opening that path fr her means entering HELL .. because walking towards him means bulding her own dreamland on her sister's grave .. which she cannot do!
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: myownarea


@diya & mads, yup the thoughts do match and yes, its the only thing to do, imagine they are away somewhere happy..

Well, I also wanted to agree on the thoughts abt JKR :) ...

HP & POA is one of my favourite books simply because of the time turner and the friendships and how death changes everything

and yes Diya like Dumbledore says ..the one u truly love never really dies, they live in you



@ bold : aww I know divya .. HP and JKR are honestly one of the most amazing things that hav happened to me! yup .. like he always keeps on saying .. the one whom u truely love..never die, because they are a part of u..and as long as u are living they keep on living too .. nobody can make them go away until u decide to..because they hav changed u in a way that u had never experienced before and that stays wit u until u are alive ..
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Diya, first of all, a bigggg huggg to u for such a brilliant post. I completely agree with you that it is the MOST emotional track of MJHT till date. No, i'm no way saying that Gunjan's heartbreak post the V-nite ball, was any less...still, for me, this one is of muchhhhh greater intensity.

Also, you are very right, that the rapid increase in RTA's are one of the major causes of youth's death in today's time n age. But, we never learn from our mistakes, so, why learn from other's. And by the time, we learn, either we are seriously injured, crippled for life, or lose life. In each of these cases, not only we, but our entire families suffer.

Coming to thes how now, you know very well, wat and how I feel about this whole thing. I'll try n elaborate it here, to put forth my POV, and I'm sorry, if I go off-track, coz like u all, SaJan and this track has literally drained me.

About Mayank…I agree with you. He's living in grief, a grief of a lifetime. He looks backs and cherishes the beautiful memories he had with his wife. For me, Mayank himself defined his approach and his outlook towards life now, i.e. after Nupur. He said that in every situation, he thinks, how Nupur would've reacted and this gives him the direction and the strength. So, for him, Nupur is and will always remain his strength.

Moving on to Gunjan…she lost her mother, when she was very young, may be a kid. Though, no one can take the place of a mother, but Nupur didn't leave any stone unturned and gave Gunjan a sisterly, and more importantly, motherly love. She put herself in her mom's shoes for Gunjan, and tried her best never to let her feel the loss, which they both shared.

This accident, not only took her sister away, but she again lost her mother, and this time, may be the pain was much more than previously (plz, don't misunderstand me, I'm just saying MAY BE)…In other, and simple words, this accident took away everything from her. Now, we had a loooong discussion session after the epi., and u know, how I relate this whole incident to Gunjan being back in her shell. What I would like to add here, is that we know, Gunjan, by nature, was a strong girl, a mature person. But in everyone's lives, there comes a time, an incident, that shatters the most strongest and mature person. Logics take back seat and emotions, rule the heart and mind. Same happened with Gunjan. After she gained conscious, she asked the nurse about her Di, Jiju and SAMRAT. The reply she got, made her fall from the sky, to the ground, and she broke into pieces. She calmed down her jiju…but…for Samrat, she closed that hole of her shell, from where she could see him, hear him, reach onto him, and also ensured that he doesn't see, hear and reach her.

Like I said yesterday also, there are two ways, to deal with pain. One is to accept it, face it and try to move on. Gunjan, for me, has followed this path. She has made a mission in life, and that is to help others. And she may b successful in it…she's changed her dressing…she's become more confident…and she's changed…and as I say, change is inevitable, and more so, after such accidents. But, for her own self, she's not moved on. If she had, she wudn't have come to the place, where she has had amazing memories of her Samrat…if she had moved on for her own self, her heart beat wudn't have raced when Samrat called her Chashmish for the first time, and she felt his presence…if she had moved on for herself, she wudn't have avoided his eyes last night. No matter how harsh words she used, she didn't say that she hates Samrat. She said, that those Samrat and Gunjan have died. And I tell u, that if we believe someone has died, we feel for them with much more intensity…and we cherish, each and every second of the memories we have with those persons. If for her, Samrat and Gunjan have died…then that means that she's buried them in her heart and no matter how hard she tries, those memories can naver fad away…coz its no hatred…its still LOVE.

Now, as u said, there are two ways, she can come out of this. Either, take out her anger..or experience the pain of losing HIM (I wudn't say, him dying, but the fear of him being dead will have the equal impact for her). Both ways, Samrat will b the one bearing it…and for him, this will be his punishment that he's longing to have. In both the cases, the end result will be the same…Gunjan has piled up her emotions within herself and she need to take them out. If she takes them out in the form of anger, she will ease, not only herself, but also him, of the guilt that he has been living with. Second option – if Samrat tries to harm himself, she will blame herself for it and will do everything to stop him. In both the cases, the heart that is frozen like a block of ice, for the past 3years, will start melting…and when it will start melting, the hole of her shell, will automatically start opening and widening.

Coming to Samrat…I've never felt soooo bad for anyone, like I am feeling for this boy. If she lost her sister and mother…he also lost everything, his whole family, his life…and the worst part was that, in addition to losing everything, he was left alone, with a companion that one dreads to have and that is a guilt. A guilt of killing his dear friend, his best friend's wife and most importantly, killing the most important person in the life of Gunjan, his soulmate. How can one possibly survive after sooo much grief, pain and guilt. I always feel, that one can live with grief, but its impossible to live with guilt…and Samrat is living this impossible life…why…coz the day she left him, she had a hope. A hope that one day, he will find her..he knows, that she might never forgive him, still, he wanted to be with her..to console her…to lend her a shoulder to cry on.

For Gunjan I said, that she accepted the pain and tryied to move on. Sam followed the other option, and that is to remain standing there where he was three years ago. And the main reason for this, according to me, is the guilt that he has. He may now be the trustee of Excel…but for his own self…he lost his identity at that very point. Every night, he wanted to end his life…he drowned in the sea of regret, loneliness, self-blame and guilt and this never let him move on in life. Is this even called a life what he is living…I seriously don't have an answer to it. So, his irony…he cudn't live..he cudn't die…still, he's alive!!!

So, if Gunjan went in her shell after Nupur's death, Samrat found himself in a tunnel. A tunnel, which was completely dark and black, still, at the farthest corner, he could see a light. This light was the HOPE he had…this light, stopped him from dying every night…this light gave him the courage to stand up whenever he fell…and this light made him pass three years of his life in complete darkness and loneliness.

In yesterday's epi..that hope died…the light at the end of the tunnel disappeared and darkness prevailed everywhere.

There's a line from one of my favorite song and it suits Sam..I know I haven't made sense above, so maybe, this helps is explaining wat I wanted to say:

Hazaar rahein mudh ke dekhein, kahein se koi sadda na ayi…………

Jahan se tum modh mudh gaye the, ye mudh ab bhi wahein khadey hein

And for Gunjan:

Hum apney peron mein janney kitney bhanwar lapetey huey khadey hein

From here, I don't know where he will head, how he will react…coz I know that everything dies, when hope dies..and him, his hope has died now.. And she…she still hasn't allowed herself to open the hole of her shell. They both are alive, but are not living. They have breaths coming, but they are not breathing…and I don't know how long this suffocation will last…coz its not only them who r suffering, we all also are living their pain..

Diya, I'm extremely sorry…I've got carried away while replying and have written a long reply. I'm sure I haven't made even the "s" of sense here. But I've written wat I feel for SaJan..and ur post gave me the platform to express myself. So, "kaan pakkad"

And to the rest, plzzz, this is purely my POV, and I know most of u will not agree with it. Also, I have no intentions of bashing anyone here…still, if u feel that I've done so (though unknowingly), I apologoze for that beforehand.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: myownarea


@diya & mads, yup the thoughts do match and yes, its the only thing to do, imagine they are away somewhere happy..

Well, I also wanted to agree on the thoughts abt JKR :) ...

HP & POA is one of my favourite books simply because of the time turner and the friendships and how death changes everything

and yes Diya like Dumbledore says ..the one u truly love never really dies, they live in you


@bold This is so true...I think this what Mayank was talking about yesterday while talking to gunjan
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Posted: 15 years ago
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@ mads hun i so know what u mean plus u know death is a kind of a loss u really dont understand .. what it means until u experience it urself.. take my own example - u know mads i never saw a death in my own family until i was 14 - then one day my dadu - passed away - he was aged 89 and his condition was critical too - we knew it was it for him - however things - well accepting them took time

i understand actually what gunjan is feeling - her numbness - cause i felt it too - i kept quiet for 3 hours - after i found dadu had gone - what made it worse was - well i was the first one who knew - as i had woken up for my school and hence the first to find him ....

i woke my parents and they were'nt sure what to do ... thye tried to call the docs and all.... thinking it's just another one of those attacks he had owing to his condition - yet it was too late - 3 hours later it finally hit me and i cried .. i cried like hell like never before - somehow that walll came crashing on me - that wall i see today build around herself by gunjan

she hasnt let it crash yet cause thou she has admitted her di is no more - she hasnt admitted it wasnt his fault - this was an accident - sometimes mads not accepting things makes things harder and on this point i concur with Diya .. that gunjan needs her own counseling too - find that light which as u referred in her conversation with Mayank .. has been found somehow by him left by Nupur

yes i guess seeing her after his return from the accident site and paying homage to her memories when we saw him talk with nupur - he said he met samrat - and her - she asked him how he was - what is he doing now ? - at the time mayank refused to think and snapped out

but today he realizes it wasnt really nupur - bt his own subconscious his true self in her form that had asked him Mayank how is Samrat ? ... cause deep down in his heart he knew the truth too which he admitted last night

his loss is huge - mayank is grieved as much as gunjan by the loss of nupur - only thing which perhaps now makes him accept and wanna forgive samrat - making him say it to gunjan is this - this very reason mads - that now truly not only has mayank seen samrat' remorse or grief - but somewhere down the line - his heart and mind have come to agree that samrat too has lost nupur - he too feels the same pain

and so he says her death may have seperated them briefly yet despite her presence in their lives has kept the 3 connected - and it is only when they reunite shall they be healed completely - he knows today samrat needs gunjan ... needs him - to forgive - to accept him back in their lives to get over his regret, his guilt - but mayank has also understood a thing beyond that - which Gunjan still refuses to accept or believe - that they too equally need Samrat - to heal this hurt to cure this pain and move on in life past this grief
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Posted: 15 years ago
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excellent mindblowing post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it touched my heart!!!!!!!!!!!
now i hav a positive feeling about this track!!!
n its logical as well
but i m more with sam coz he has comited no mistake still blames himself for nups death!
ya he lost everything in 1 stroke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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