Sanjay Dutt found guilty!! - Page 8

Created

Last reply

Replies

110

Views

12k

Users

57

Likes

19

Frequent Posters

greatmaratha thumbnail
21st Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 2
Posted: 18 years ago
#71

Originally posted by: angads-lover#1




...uhhhuh uhh...girl..u aint right..

i can sue ur booty for assasintion and mental stress u casuin me..so u betta watch ur mouth.... and + in person ..he himself..can sue u becoz u are judging him without knwoing..the truth..how the hell u knw..that he is involved with terriorism..did u see him hanging around with USAMA BIN LADIN????? ur pointin a finger @ persons chrcter..which is not legal without..proof..i think beofre u say stufff..u need to read SOME LAW BOOOOKS...just becoz.. u heard..from the news..tht he is involved..with terrorist..but they dont show no proof..tht he is ssoo u betta stop sayin that he caused all those ..deaths....plus even if police officers wants to search his house..they f* need a warrant.or a proable cause...soo u keep ur words..and thougts to urself..cuz it aint right.....to talk shit abt other ppl idols....



Hello dear,

This is a free country and everyone, that is both you and me, are allowed to air and express our views........

Sue ME for mental stress which suffer from reading my words😃 Simple - dont read my words. Then you cant get mental stress.

He can sue me!! sure. But for what????? Speaking the truth or stating one's point of view is no offence and will actually be a defence in my favour😃

And to judge a person, I dont need to know the person. And incidentally I am not JUDGING HIM!! I was judging his actions!! There, incidentally, is a world of difference between the two.

And I did read a FEW law books😉 dont worry, before I made the statement.

Osama is not the only terrorist in the world my dear. But this is no class on terrorism here, so I will not go into those details.

It does appear that you know nothing about the matter, why dont you first read it, know it and then talk about it. Will be good for you.

😃 Hope u will go back and read all the stuff and then come back to reply here.




greatmaratha thumbnail
21st Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 2
Posted: 18 years ago
#72

Originally posted by: sareg







I am literally feeling the effect of the smiley's





Me too 😉
Selina thumbnail
20th Anniversary Thumbnail Rocker Thumbnail Engager Level 1 Thumbnail
Posted: 18 years ago
#73
He wasnt convicted under TADA because there was proof that he had possession of weapons for self-defence i.e his father wrote a letter to Mumbai Police months before the bomb blast happened asking for extra security since he was recieving threats.

Secondly, Sanjay Dutt confessed to his so called "crime" when he was in custody.

If he wanted to pay himself out the whole thing, he could have done it back when he WAS in jail.

Just because he is a celebrity why do we have to assume that the verdict was unfair. I'm sure some people would say the same if he WAS convicted.

I think he has spent ample time in jail, and 13 years worrying about the verdict, I think thats enough punishment.
~~RaZ~~ thumbnail
19th Anniversary Thumbnail Voyager Thumbnail
Posted: 18 years ago
#74
tfs

i knew he waznt a gud guy 😉 😆
193980 thumbnail
Posted: 18 years ago
#75

Originally posted by: angads-lover#1

how the hell u knw..that he is involved with terriorism..did u see him hanging around with USAMA BIN LADIN????? ur pointin a finger @ persons chrcter..which is not legal without..proof..i think beofre u say stufff..u need to read SOME LAW BOOOOKS...

How do you know for sure that Osama Bin Laden is a terrorist? You believe in things when you see proof and there is enough proof to convict Sanjay Dutt. By 'you' I meant the law makers. He has money power so he was not arrested under TADA like others who were found guilty of similar offense. If I am not wrong then the member to whom your post was targeted is a lawyer by profession and that explains the laughing emoticons in the post after yours😊.


vijay thumbnail
Posted: 18 years ago
#76

Originally posted by: s.priya

Vijay, the line made bold is enough disclaimer for any statement made thereafter. However, you do also go ahead and say that U know he has been found guilty on ONE COUNT.

Our whole debate is exactly that - that he was found guilty of only one crime, i.e. possession of fire arms. That compounded by the fact that in the case of other accused, possession of fire arms have been booked under TADA where as Sanjay Dutt has been cleared from TADA and booked under Arms Act, which is basically for keeping weapons which are not in the nature of AK 47 etc.

U say he has been cleared of the criminal conspiracy charge, but having had benefit of seeing and reading material on the trial and discussing this matter with the lawyers involved with the matter, I can say that the material has been selectively used and the treatment is not like equals.

Priya I have no intention to challenge you or something and my knowledge is limited to what I read in the newspaper, online news and on the news channels.

However what I understand is that in any legal case "materials" can be prepared too to make one's case stronger. So you reading the materials on the trial presented by the prosecution doesnt make it "genuine". I am sure many on the forum can give you references where people are booked under false charges by the police and left harassed and tortured. Just today there was a headline in "The Telegraph" that its estimated that the Police, Trade Unions, Councillors, Politicians gets a cut in the 265crore annual bribe just collected from Hawkers. There are thousands such instances which we would come across in your daily life highlighting the level of corruption in ther country.

I feel just cause its Sanjay Dutt you are being extra critical on him and thinking that his treatment is not equal. It may also be the case that there are political reasons to make Sanjay Dutt the scapegoat and the real reason can also be to end Sunil Dutt's political career.

Well whatever we do there has to be some reason behind it. You cite a single reason why you think Sanjay Dutt will be part of the conspiracy when he had already obtained name, fame and money. Or you think he is a born terrorist and gets sadistic pleasure when he see's people dying around him.

Originally posted by: s.priya

The whole debate is exactly that - that the judiciary has succumbed to pressures and cleared his name when the evidence points otherwise.

Priya which evidence are we talking about and lets be specific and support with proper links to support it.

Originally posted by: s.priya

U spoke of assumptions Vijay. I am talking of facts here. Facts that weapons were found, facts that he tried to dispose off the weapons, facts that calls have been traced to his phone and zillion other facts, which I would not want to bring in here. Even your thought that he may not do it is just UR thought and assumption and not based on facts or borne out from records.

First of all what I know is there was no weapon found from Sanjay Dutt's house. The only thing recovered by the investigating agency was a "spring" and the "iron" as claimed by the police and even that time he was not in India and was shooting in Mauritius. Lets not exaggerate the issue by mentioning "zillion other facts" and keeping it open ended. And you also very well know that "telephone calls" are not considered good evidence. Just take a hypothetical situation where if tomorrow some one calls you from the D company to congratulate on India-Forums's success doesnt mean you are also part of the crime that they may do in the next 3 months.

And you believing on the materials presented to you by your fellow lawyer friend can also be based on made up evidences and "may" not be the real facts.

Originally posted by: s.priya

I dont think it was anyones case that he did this for money. And it wasnt just AK 47, he had RDX, YES!!!!!! He expected a mob to come to his door step and he thought he can use the RDZ to blow them off his doorstep.

Okie let me correct myself. First of all it was not AK-47 rather it was AK-56.

You show me a single reference where its mentioned that "RDX" have been recovered from Sanjay Dutt's house. Well the whole case is built on the "statements" taken from the accused/criminals and NO WHERE in any media it has published that RDX has been recovered from Sanjay Dutt's house so now lets not make up news. Not even in any of his confessions he mentioned possessing RDX.

Originally posted by: vijay

Vijay!!!!!!!!!! We are saying just that... that the law must be allowed to take its own course.

Priya it has been now 13 years the whole case has been stretched. I am glad that finally the judgement has come. How long you want this case to run?

Cheers,
Vijay

greatmaratha thumbnail
21st Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 2
Posted: 18 years ago
#77
Vijay, the evidence which you site and the links you suggest are NEWSPAPER REPORTWS!!!!!!!! and not the real evidence.

If you want to see evidence, I suggest you come to Bombay and collect the evidence presented by the Prosecution, instead of relying upon newspaper reports.

You ask for one reason for him to do it. I say give me one reason NOT TO HAVE DONE IT. We are talking of reality and not a make believe world.

How do you KNOW Facts in the matter? Have you seen the FIR or the chargesheet?? Or is your information based on newspaper reports!

And before you go about attributing evidentiary value to "confessions and statements" lets read the law on the subject.

And lastly, merely because someone took 13 years to finish the trial, does it mean that we wrap it up in anyway possible, simply to put an end to the whole thing.

I have to be going for a meeting now. Will reply in detail later.

vijay thumbnail
Posted: 18 years ago
#78

Originally posted by: s.priya

Vijay, the evidence which you site and the links you suggest are NEWSPAPER REPORTWS!!!!!!!! and not the real evidence.

If you want to see evidence, I suggest you come to Bombay and collect the evidence presented by the Prosecution, instead of relying upon newspaper reports.

You ask for one reason for him to do it. I say give me one reason NOT TO HAVE DONE IT. We are talking of reality and not a make believe world.

How do you KNOW Facts in the matter? Have you seen the FIR or the chargesheet?? Or is your information based on newspaper reports!

And before you go about attributing evidentiary value to "confessions and statements" lets read the law on the subject.

And lastly, merely because someone took 13 years to finish the trial, does it mean that we wrap it up in anyway possible, simply to put an end to the whole thing.

I have to be going for a meeting now. Will reply in detail later.

I just wonder how "real" is the "real evidence" put up by the prosecution. Well untill an accused has been convicted he is NOT a criminal. And for the matter of fact you also know that "FIR" & "Chargesheet" is not the final thing and they to be proved in court.

There are many instances where the police has made false chargesheet against someone and later they were freed when not found guilty of the same and where released.

If the prosecution is so hard pressed and sure that they have enough evidence then why they failed to prove them in court. Or you trying to say that even they had provided enough evidences against him, judgement made by Justice Kode is not correct? Or trying to indicate some "under-hand" dealing?

Priya I never claimed that I have the "insider news" about the matter and as mentioned earlier my knowledge about the matter is surely based on the news which is available to the public.

Well there are 100 reasons for him for not being part of the terrorist act. He had money, name and fame that he didnt had to be part of it.

Just cause you think him to be one of the terrorist surely wont change my thinking about him until there are enough circumstantial evidence and he being convicted of those charges.

I am not saying that he should go scot free for possessing arms. He has violated law and should be punished but not over-punished just cause he is "Sanjay Dutt". Whether its should be 5 to 10 years of jail thats something the court has to decide.

Cheers,
Vijay

greatmaratha thumbnail
21st Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 2
Posted: 18 years ago
#79
Vijay, I am not making posts here to change your way of thinking or even change your mind on Sanjay Dutt.

I am merely stating my point of view. And thats what the forum is meant for, right 😉
vijay thumbnail
Posted: 18 years ago
#80

Originally posted by: s.priya

Vijay, I am not making posts here to change your way of thinking or even change your mind on Sanjay Dutt.

I am merely stating my point of view. And thats what the forum is meant for, right 😉

So do I 😳

Related Topics

Top

Stay Connected with IndiaForums!

Be the first to know about the latest news, updates, and exclusive content.

Add to Home Screen!

Install this web app on your iPhone for the best experience. It's easy, just tap and then "Add to Home Screen".