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Posted: 10 years ago
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Shymaladi we do not have any clue on what was Dansh plan when he got the books. Was it to give Shiva and then detonate those bombs appropriately so that Shiva if possible Rudra too get murdered. Presence of those detonators make me think Dansh had that plan.
Anyways with other Garuds showing up somehow all plans whether it is that of Dansh or that of Rudra were thrown out of balance. Dansh was forced to distract Rudra. If he had shot Shiva of course Rudra would have bumped Leela and gone after him so did the other Garuds. So Dansh took the option of shooting Leela and getting away with Shiva and books.
I guess Dansh needs Shiva alive not for the books, but for Rudra. He wants Rudra to come to that camp once again, to take him on, in his place than fight him where he has the strength. Rudra coming to get Shiva , the chances are high. If Dansh bump Shiva off, then Rudra would be trying other ways to save Amrit than lookout for Naga hideout.
Drish not pouncing on those books some how I am not seeing learnability in Nag guru. I mean a search for knowledge. He is more controlled by Dansh, the guru of Nanu appears much more powerful. Nag Guru is more confusing to me than Leela or Maya to be frank. His behavior doesn't add up. Something, somewhere is missing and I am unable to connect the link at this point.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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My dear Shruthi,

I agree with you about Dansh's likely post-exchange plans. That would have been characteristic of him.

But Shruthi, if Dansh kills Shiva now, and does not publicise it by sending his head, the real one this time, how would Rudra know his Baba is dead? As it is he cannot spot him in the Garuda Locator. He will proceed on the assumption that Shiva is alive, and will try his level best to go to the naga hideout , provided he can find it.

In the meantime Dansh, by killing Shiva, would have crippled the garuds for good. Surely that is a more important, indeed vital objective?

I do not agree that Dansh wants to face Rudra on his own homeground. He does not want him to get there at all. See how he yells at Leela when she shuts off the laser: Agar yeh nishaan phir se aa jaate, to garud hum tak pahunch jaate aur sab kuch barbad ho jaata!


Shyamala Di

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

Shymaladi we do not have any clue on what was Dansh plan when he got the books. Was it to give Shiva and then detonate those bombs appropriately so that Shiva if possible Rudra too get murdered. Presence of those detonators make me think Dansh had that plan.

Anyways with other Garuds showing up somehow all plans whether it is that of Dansh or that of Rudra were thrown out of balance. Dansh was forced to distract Rudra. If he had shot Shiva of course Rudra would have bumped Leela and gone after him so did the other Garuds. So Dansh took the option of shooting Leela and getting away with Shiva and books.
I guess Dansh needs Shiva alive not for the books, but for Rudra. He wants Rudra to come to that camp once again, to take him on, in his place than fight him where he has the strength. Rudra coming to get Shiva , the chances are high. If Dansh bump Shiva off, then Rudra would be trying other ways to save Amrit than lookout for Naga hideout.
Drish not pouncing on those books some how I am not seeing learnability in Nag guru. I mean a search for knowledge. He is more controlled by Dansh, the guru of Nanu appears much more powerful. Nag Guru is more confusing to me than Leela or Maya to be frank. His behavior doesn't add up. Something, somewhere is missing and I am unable to connect the link at this point.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Shymalaji
I agree here . Loved your simile of Holdall in old days. But the journey should be enjoyable.😛
If a hungry person is fed on time its healthy and satisfying but if he is told the feast in arriving in few days time and you hold on your hunger till then. This what I feel is happening here.
All viewers want answers Or some sensible hints/justification for the story presented time to time. One can not keep saying 'You will know it eventually'.
Its a realistic expectation to see the story moving sensibly ahead. 😉

Anyway we can only comment.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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BG = Bhagvat Gita
This is an Indian show, dear Shyamala...😆 we thrive on chaos. And slow learners... And will rise like a phoenix from the ashes..
Victory of the good can only happen last week last day last minute..

P.S. your impatience with young Rudra suggests you have spent too many years in "foreign" parts!!😆 Though I can quite imagine you shaking him out till he was fixed...😃

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Episode 72 was outstanding, and so is your take 😊
Loved your description of that very interesting talk between Guru and Shishya.

All the Garuds display superhuman qualities, but to me, MB is more like Divine than just superhuman. She is totally different from the remaining Garuds. She knows a lot, but reveals only that which is relevant and that too at the right time. I loved her sentence about how she is the Shakti who gives enlightenment. Reminded me of one of the names of the Adi Guru - Jeevasanjeevinaha - giver of life to the living.
So far she was equally a Guru and a Mother to Rudra. With a Guru the relationship is formal, but with a Mother who is a Guru, the relationship is more informal. A Mother can be soft, she can spoil a kid with her love, but a Guru cannot do that, so MB insists on Rudra seeing her real Roop, beyond Maimui. I am yet to come across such a layered, profound scene having such hidden meanings anywhere else on TV. Kudos to the writer.
Seemaji and Gautam were top class in that scene. Looks like for Seemaji, brilliance is the only way.

About Dhansh - after watching these vamps on the regular soaps, I am beginning to appreciate Dhansh a lot more 😆. Nice that the writer is bringing more layers to him, but keeping his blackness intact.

I enjoyed that scene between the Veshes and Greyerson. I liked this line of yours - "Greyerson's face registers not anger, but genuine distress at having been thus betrayed by the one he trusted the most." Love the way you pick up these nuances and remember to put them in your post as well. That's why it is such a treat to read your posts.

Aunty, I am a bit confused about the vilupt gyaan. Why would the Garuds need any books, if they are the ones destined to receive the vilupt gyaan from the Goddess Saraswati? I think I didn't understand that bit well.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Aunty, looks like "manushyata" ki bimaari has caught up with Rudra as well
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Hi Aunty,
The Guru-Sishya scene in Episode 72 is one of the finest ever I've seen on Indian telly in all these years. Seema ji has an arresting screen presence, her sharp eyes literally glow and light up the vicinity. Such is her excellence in acting. Telly audience are very lucky to witness such talent in action almost on a daily basis. Gautam, is another wonder and I can go on and on and on about him too, but I am super pressed for time and hence let me cut short my rambling.

Rudra's morally absolutist deontological ethics are too one-dimensional. There's absolutely NO need to cut down the rescue operation to return to save an enemy even if she's fatally wounded. Rudra running in front of the mortuary vehicle, was, I guess a directorial glitch rather than a writing glitch. A person with an average IQ would possess the instinct to run after the mortuary vehicle to save the victim . One thing that grates on my nerves is that Rudra seems to fall back at Bhairavi to make even the simplest of decisions viz., protecting Leela to procure the anti venom to save Maya. He doesn't seem to introspect on his decisions, but almost gives his word of finality to his fellow Garuds without bothering much about explaining his thought processes. This lack of communication will be detrimental in their mission to save the Amrit in the long run.

Your grouse about the foot and mouth disease of Shivanad, I think Shiva when he mentioned about Garuds being more powerful to take down the Nags when united, had meant it metaphorically to beat him in his own game; the verbal tug-o'-war; to hurt is false ego. I wonder why the Nags don't hire a Pali or Prakrit expert to analyze the books. Why must they depend on Shivanand to decode its contents? Now what I disliked in his speech to Danshhh was that, he again mentioned Niyati taking care of the fall of Nags. If that were the case, why must Nature or the Divine Power construct such an elaborate and tedious set-up where the Garud Pramukh is emotionally weakened by various sufferings. Why couldn't the all and knowing Bhairavi be the Garud Pramukh then? (of course, these traits make up for a good way to make the story interesting but the continuous usage of Niyati ad nauseum is plainly defeating the purpose of the deeper message the makers want to put across IMHO)

Coming to Danshh, the character is very, very, well written like I've mentioned elsewhere, but when I see Rahil enacting it, I just can not control my laughter. It's cringe inducing. I am sorry. I badly need a Simone Singh or an Alka Kaushal to portray a Nag Matriarch to balance the acting talent in both the sides.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: happychappy

BG = Bhagvat Gita

This is an Indian show, dear Shyamala...😆 we thrive on chaos. And slow learners... And will rise like a phoenix from the ashes..
Victory of the good can only happen last week last day last minute..

P.S. your impatience with young Rudra suggests you have spent too many years in "foreign" parts!!😆 Though I can quite imagine you shaking him out till he was fixed...😃


agree.

Shyamala ji, makers need some material to show for few weeks. We can't have a totally-in-control Rudra yet.

I too can imagine Shyamala ji making his teeth rattle.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@happy good need small victories too naa in between and we will get such small things like the bomb scare and the Garuds saving the crowds
Shymaladi good guess on why not kill Shiva and not publicize it. Yes he can do that. But then Dansh loves to attack Rudra emotionally. He has to ensure his actions weaken Rudra, distract Rudra. He loves publicity for his maniacal torture to show his power is my take.
And also one more thing. We are dealing with Samudra Manthan. When that happens lot of unexpected things come up before Amrit . Each of these things are either taken by Gods or demons. The precious things included Goddess Laksmi, Apsara to some 9-14 precious stones to things like Parijath and animals like kamadhenu and uchasravis.
So if that story is taken things have to be thrown around. Books one thing, Leela with Garuds, now something else has to come. There has to be many more things turned around before Amrit comes. Let us wait.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Dear Shyamala ji, Thank you so much for this. You are a powerhouse of knowledge. I thoroughly enjoyed reading your experience.

On your wisdom about guru as a conduit to Divine wisdom, i should start seeking answers on that one, for i do believe that, only then the answers will come.

Regards.


Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Vishu,

Thank you, both for liking this one and more so for coming back to my threads.

Now let me tell you something about HH the Dalai Lama .

First, no, not Mr. Lama, my dear! It is His Holiness. His own name is Tenzing Gyatso,and the Dalai Lama is a spiritual post that is always filled thru the re-incarnation of the last one, and the finding of the successor thru a thorough search following certain rules. The present Dalai Lama is the 14th in the line, and his seat was in Lhasa, in the Potala Palace. Now of course it has all been taken over by the Chinese, who have reduced Tibetans to a minority in their own land thru the relentless immigration of Han Chinese into Tibet.

The Dalai Lama fled to India over the Himalayan passes in 1959, as soon as China invaded an occupied Tibet, and it is to the eternal credit of the Govt.of India under Prime Minister Nehru that we not only gave political asylum to him and several lakhs of Tibetan refugees who came over for decades after 1959,but looked after all of them very well, and helped preserve their Tibetan culture. We still do.

When I was a Joint Secretary (Head of a Division)in the Ministry of External Affairs in New Delhi from 1988-1992, one of my duties, apart from my normal territorial division foreign affairs work, was taking care of HH, except where his internal travels were concerned. This included accompanying him to the airport when he left on a foreign visit, and receiving him on arrival. In December 1990, when he returned after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize, as he and I were driving back from New Delhi International Airport at about 2 am, there were Tibetan families, all holding lit candles and flowers, lining the airport road for 3 kms, braving the Delhi winter cold! It was an incredible sight, to see the joy in their faces as he blessed them.

I also visited him in Dharamsala, his headquarters, and met him later in Washington, when I was the Deputy Ambassador there in the mid-1990s.

All in all, I have spent a lot of time with HH. He was, and is, a very serene person, somewhat like Rudra is now, and one could see at a glance that he would be incapable of hatred or anything negative at all. But he had a quality Rudra lacks totally, he had a great sense of humour and of mischief, and he used to laugh a lot at various odd political developments in India and outside. he was also very mechanically inclined, and his great hobby was repairing watches and clocks, though sometimes he could not put them back together!

I count myself blessed that I had this wonderful and rare opportunity to see him up close. He gave me a bronze Buddha statue as a farewell gift when I left that post and went on my first ambassadorial assignment, with his blessings. It has pride of place in our home.

To revert to Mahakumbh, the guru is not equated with God, my dear. He or she is like a conduit, thru whom the grace and the wisdom if the Divine passes to the shishya, for the shishya is not equipped to handle that on his/her own. Whence the cardinal importance of the right conduit, which neither distorts the message nor filters it and holds part of it back. It is a great blessing to get the right guru.

Shyamala

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