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Shymaladi you highlighted Rudra looked to Dansk as if it was all preplanned. I was a little puzzled on that reaction of Rudra. But your words made me realize. Rudra displayed another awesome leadership quality. Appreciate in public, criticize in private.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Sri,

Thanks a million for all those extra Os!

You have hit the nail on the head, for "tenacity" is what it is. Come Friday and Saturday, I always wonder if I can skip it this time, for it is tough, even when it is typed out in instalments, and I simply cannot be brief. But then, though I do not flatter myself unduly, I know that at least a dozen readers will be disappointed if I bunk it, so I cannot.

Sunday mornings, I face this thing, like undone homework, but then once I start, it sort of writes itself, of course with many breaks. And when I have put it up, it is sheer relief, and I tell myself, now I do not need to think of a new post for another week!😉

Our Home DVDs have the film/show, the scene selection and the song selection, and that is it. I once suggested to Ashutosh Gowarikar, whom I got to know in 2008 after the release of his Jodhaa Akbar, that he should include documentaries on Mughal costumes, on the wonderful real jewellery made of the film by Tanishq (450 kgs of gold alone,and they took it as a touring exhibition across India. Must have made a packet selling it all to society ladies and men!), plus his director's commentary. Of course nothing of the sort happened!

Still, I appreciate the very flattering comment, my dear, it is a rare compliment!

Lastly, be a good girl, go straight back to page 1, and hit the Like button for the main post!

Shyamala Akka

Quick Question to every1 on this thread : What happened to Maya ? Will she revive ? Is RUDRA reminiscing about her when he is lying down in night, looking at stars ?!!

Yes, Shruthi, that is absolutely right. When I joined the IFS, this was one of the things we were taught in our foundation course. It is very important both for keeping up appearances and confounding your antagonist in negotiations, and also for maintaining staff morale.

It applies even when there is no antagonist, but a junior has made a silly and avoidable mistake. One should never dress him or her down in front of others, especially other colleagues. It leads to a sense of humiliation, festering resentment of the boss, and down the line, lack of co-operation and underhand disobedience.

My point was also that because Rudra said what he said, and made it appear that it was all pre-planned, Dansh can no longer assume that Rudra can never be devious. Producing that impression is very useful in any such contest.

You are quite right about Dansh and his naga foot soldiers. But you have to set off, against their sense of disillusionment, the fact that they have always been underdogs and have nowhere else to turn. So they will not abandon the only leader they have, any more than his fellow asuras abandoned Tarakasur, thought they knew full well that all he cared about was amaratva for himself.

Talking of decisions, on the surface and for now, Rudra's decision has backfired badly, and now the garuds have neither the Two Books nor Shivanand. Let us see how the others, especially Prof. Rao, react to this. Rudra can of course say that but for the interference of the others, they would have at least got Shivanand back. It can easily become a tu tu main main, but I do not think it will, not so soon.

I have, after a bit more thought, edited part of the above post to read as follows.

There were a number of things I did not understand about Dansh.

Why he shot Leela - though perhaps he knows that she will not be hurt the way he aims his shots, and indeed she seems to be pretty much ok. Perhaps he felt that such a major shock was necessary in order to distract Rudra sufficiently for him to collar the books and drive off with Shivanand as well, and also that the garuds would never hurt Leela. (Incidentally, I am waiting to see MB deal with Leela's foolish attempt to hold her hostage with a knife at her throat. Leela is in for a surprise!😉)

Why he tells Leela that garuds do not do dhoka, after having told her exactly the opposite earlier.

Why he is having himself flagellated, like the albino monk in The Da Vinci Code, after having pulled off a coup by collaring the Two Books without having given Shivanand back either. Maybe to punish himself for having abandoned Leela to the garuds?

Shyamala Di

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

Shymaladi you highlighted Rudra looked to Dansk as if it was all preplanned. I was a little puzzled on that reaction of Rudra. But your words made me realize. Rudra displayed another awesome leadership quality. Appreciate in public, criticize in private.

yes he can shout at his team for disobeying his orders in private, but the enemy need not know they are disconnected, the team has disobeyed. By staying calm he made Dansk feel they are a team whereas in real they were disconnected.

And look at Dansk's idiocity. He betrayed a team member in front of the enemy. For what. Just to hit the enemy's Achilles heel. yes he got short term success by that strategy, but for how long. Every team member of Naga clan would have seen that betrayal to Leela, Dansk can done. They will be wary of him as they now know for Amrit he will dispose of anyone. He wants Amrit only for him, not for Nagas. Believe me the clan itself will plot against its leader.

Well, Sri, as of now, MB has stopped the poison from spreading, and Maya is breathing normally, but is still in a coma, that state beloved of TV script writers, even one so hatke as Utkarsh😉. I am keeping my fingers crossed for this happy situation to last till the penultimate episode. A horizontal Maya who cannot make lovey-dovey eyes at Rudra and make inane statements is a great blessing.😉

No, Rudra is not reminiscing about her under the stars. He has not time for anything like that now,being a hands on, turbo-charged Garuda Pramukh, plus I doubt if there are any stars in that haystack masquerading as the Brahma Nisht Panth headquarters.😉 But the other day, he was sitting at her bedside talking about his problems and plans, in fact to himself rather than to her inert form.

No, Amrit will be saved from the nagas, of course, but it will not be served to anyone, poor or needy or whatever. It will go back intact to where it came from, to re-emerge in 2157 AD.

Finally, my dear, I do not understand your constant boasting, for that is what it sounds like, that you have never watched Mahakumbh. I doubt if anyone is going to give you a medal for that, though I definitely need one for still watching JA!😉 Why don't you make an effort and watch at the episodes since the arrival of Dansh on the scene, ie from Episode 57 onwards? The ones from those in my The end of the beginning post? There will be no Maya, and you will be able to orient yourself very quickly

It is all very well and very sweet of you to say all these extravagantly nice things about my posts, my dear Sri, but if you do not know what I am writing about, my dear, how can you judge the substance of what I am writing, as distinct from the style? So do try, there is my good girl!

Shyamala Akka

Originally posted by: jayaks02

Quick Question to every1 on this thread : What happened to Maya ? Will she revive ? Is RUDRA reminiscing about her when he is lying down in night, looking at stars ?!!

I like scenes like this - he he he

Note : Never watched MK till now, but will Maya reunite with RUDRA is the biggest Q I have in the serial, for I know that Amrit will be saved and served to the needy, in the end. 😆

Shymaladi your first question why Dansk told Garud will never betray, I had mentioned in Arshics post also, it might be a slip of the tongue. To proclaim he knows all. Remember he answered like that after Leela asks agar Garud dhoka de tho. As a person Dansk is know all, he does not like taking suggestions, so it was done more to refute her question. He just wants people to take orders not ask questions. But that slip of tongue is gonna cost him dear.

My straight-talking friend,

Thank you!

Coming to your interesting comments, I do not think the 6 other garuds are pawns at all. Each has his/her own ideas, and Prof. Rao too. See, for example,how Charles disagrees with Rudra about his having brought Leela to the Brahma Nisht Hqrs. But in the end, they will back him because they know that their aim is the same, to safeguard the amrit, and they realise that there can be only one leader. Plus Rudra has earned his leadership spurs during the bomb-defusing crisis.

But now, on the surface, Rudra's decision re: the exchange with Dansh has backfired badly, and the garuds have neither the Two Books nor Shivanand. Let us see how the others, especially Prof. Rao, react to this. Rudra can of course say that but for the interference of the others, they would have at least got Shivanand back. It can easily become a tu tu main main, but I do not think it will, not so soon.

Loved that that neat crack of yours about the Prakat Saraswati. As for me, I am by now thoroughly confused by the Saraswati + Amrit ka raaz, and as I do not propose to let my poor brains be turned into scrambled eggs, I am simply going to await developments. One can always depend on Utkarsh to bowl a few googlies at us too, so this is the wisest course.😉

Re: Greyerson and the First Book, Balivesh knows he has it right from their first meeting, when Greyerson extracts it from his designer jhola and shows it to him. Well, they have given him a safe to keep it in, and then again, they would hardly have thought that Rudra would come barging into their guarded haveli like a rampaging bull.

I agree with you about Shivanand's torture. I hate those scenes, and now they are ugly as well as nasty. Shivanand looks like human flotsam, poor fellow.

As for Dansh, I do not feel that his very brief show of vulnerability was a sham. For one thing, it lasted only for a fleeting moment, and I am sure he regretted it afterwards. He is cunning and astute, yes, but he is probably much better at dealing with his own kind, the devious, unscrupulous and ruthless sorts. It is difficult for him to get under the skin of a Rudra and plan accordingly. He is currently using the a garud cannot cheat or kill an innocent template, and it works only in part.

Thus, last night, I loved the way in which Rudra did not offer any excuses to Dansh for the DM and the other garuds turning up unknown to him, but made it sound as if he had intended it all along. That makes for unpredictability, which is always useful with a Dansh convinced that Rudra the Garud Pramukh will never cheat.

There were a number of things I did not understand about Dansh.

Why he shot Leela - though perhaps he knows that she will not be hurt seriously the way he aims his shots - and indeed she seems to be pretty much ok. Perhaps he felt that such a major shock was necessary in order to distract Rudra sufficiently for him to collar the books and drive off with Shivanand as well.

Why he tells Leela that garuds do not do dhoka, after having told her exactly the opposite earlier.

Why he is having himself flagellated, like the albino monk in The Da Vinci Code, after having pulled off a coup by collaring the Two Books without having given Shivanand back either. Maybe to punish himself for having abandoned Leela to the garuds?

Incidentally, it was interesting that Dansh did not think of cheating on the deal, he was intending to give Shivanand back, obviously convinced that the Books were sufficient in themselves for the nagas, and also that Shivanand minus the Books would be useless.

Thanks a lot for your concern. I do try not to overdo things, and if I do, my knee is always there to rein me in!😉


Shyamala

Originally posted by: seedhibaat

Thanks Shymalaji for detailed synopsis of the week

Its indeed chess game where 6 Garud pawns and 6 naga pawns are playing for 1 Garud and 1 Naga king /pramukh

Your comments on MB and Rudra conversation are perfect. Hope we get to see more of such philosophy but fingers crossed. It looked like a hypnotherapy session to me. But i must confess I loved the scene. Diya example was very convincing. MB shows Empathy towards him. GYANGANGA if not lupt SARASWATI

We are not left with choice but to love Rudra's zen like calm.

Thamadia mai, Charle sand DM yet to impress. Dr Rao is seen in episodes without any help. Shivanand torture is getting boring. sleeping beauty Maya is in status quo

Surprised how Greyerson becomes so vulnerable in just 2-3 episodes. If he has an important book in his posseesion then why balivesh and company doesnt privide him with more protection?

Dansh is very cunning so he showing his vulnarability is just a Maya. crocodile tears. Leela unaware of the Naga Garud fight is not acceptable to me and more than that she gets influenced really quickly by Dansh only to say she will be Nagas side. SCENE created nothing else for me.

The story is shaping well but not without leaving us speculating some situations.

I dont know about Lupt or vilupt saraswati, ONLY expection is a decent storyline in the form of Prakat Swaraswati in further episodes.

Thanks again

You take good care of yourself and dont strain yourself.

Shruthi,

Your scenario for Leela is very plausible. Moreover, since she has to help Rudra in the end, this is the best way to make her shift her loyalties.

And yes, Dansh's illogical statement might well have been a slip of the tongue. Know alls do get carried away at the wrong time!

No, I do not think it will be a Charles-Leela-Katharine triangle. It is far more likely to be a Rudra-Maya-Leela triangle. Mark my words!

Shyamala Di

PS: My dear, it is Dansh, at times Dansh...hhh..., not Dansk. But I must say it is a neat mistake, for it sounds Polish and as we all know, Mahakumbh has a strong Polish connection!😉

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

Shymaladi your first question why Dansk told Garud will never betray, I had mentioned in Arshics post also, it might be a slip of the tongue. To proclaim he knows all. Remember he answered like that after Leela asks agar Garud dhoka de tho. As a person Dansk is know all, he does not like taking suggestions, so it was done more to refute her question. He just wants people to take orders not ask questions. But that slip of tongue is gonna cost him dear.

If that was not enough did you see another idiocity he has committed. He not only shot Leela, but mocked Rudra that Rudra is the protector he cannot kill any innocent. And Rudra is gonna prove that lines true to Leela today. That he is the protector. He values human life over and above. Anyone in distress whether it is friend or enemy if he can, he will protect. Leela might think she is captive that is why is attacking MB. But most probably after she is cured Rudra will ask her to go with all due respect. Believe me he is gonna conquer Leela's heart, which is so elusive to Dansk😆😆😆 and we all know a person who gives their heart " Kis hadh tak jaa sakthi hai wo uske liye". Most probably we have the Snape here with MB moulding the girl to be the Snape. And for the love she will cure Maya is my take 1 .

Take 2 is between Charles and Leela parallel love track as Charles is suspicious of Leela, but as time goes by they understand each other , though no romance during the war, they can be together post war. But Charles kiske saath hai is still a mystery because we have Kat also. But Charles Leela angle will be interesting.

Dansk getting flaggated, yes I am also puzzled. Not sure it because he betrayed Leela. if your hunch is true well good, he has some emotion inside him.

My dear Aparna,

A big 🤗to you for having noticed and liked my joke about Dansh and the interior decoration of his home! No one else did, alas!😭😉

I agree with all your comments, but I still feel that Rudra should have used chhoti haar, and not sangarsh. Actually, the surrender of the Two Books, that mean so much to the garuds, is a defeat, even if only a temporary one, and sangarsh is neither here nor there.

Last night, as I have noted earlier here,Rudra, thanks to his humanism, ended up minus both the Books and his Baba, a situation that might perhaps have been predicted, and with a nag kanya on his hands as well. But I am sure it is precisely this that will work out in his favour down the line.

I specially loved the way in which he did not offer any excuses to Dansh for the DM and the other garuds turning up unknown to him, but made it sound as if he had intended it all along. That makes for unpredictability, which is always useful with a Dansh convinced that Rudra the Garud Pramukh will never cheat.

There were a number of things I did not understand about Dansh.

Why he shot Leela - though perhaps he knows that she will not be hurt the way he aims his shots, and indeed she seems to be pretty much ok. Perhaps he felt that such a major shock was necessary in order to distract Rudra sufficiently for him to collar the books and drive off with Shivanand as well, and also that the garuds would never hurt Leela. (Incidentally, I am waiting to see MB deal with Leela's foolish attempt to hold her hostage with a knife at her throat. Leela is in for a surprise!😉)

Why he tells Leela that garuds do not do dhoka, after having told her exactly the opposite earlier.Shruti thinks it was a slip of the tongue from Mr.Know All.

Why he is having himself flagellated, like the albino monk in The Da Vinci Code, after having pulled off a coup by collaring the Two Books without having given Shivanand back either. Maybe to punish himself for having abandoned Leela to the garuds?

This is going to prove to be a cardinal mistake on his part, for her sojourn among the garuds, on top of her natural gratitude to Rudra for having saved her life instead of chasing Dansh and the Two Books, will lead to Leela shifting her loyalties in due course.

Incidentally, it was interesting that Dansh did not initially think of cheating on the deal, he was intending to give Shivanand back, obviously convinced that the Books were sufficient in themselves for the nagas, and also that Shivanand minus the Books would be useless.

Talking of decisions, on the surface and for now, Rudra's decision has backfired badly, and now the garuds have neither the Two Books nor Shivanand. Let us see how the others, especially Prof. Rao, react to this. Rudra can of course say that but for the interference of the others, they would have at least got Shivanand back.

It can easily become a tu tu main main, but I do not think it will, not so soon. Rudra has earned his leadership spurs in the bomb crisis, and they all know that there can be only one decision-maker..

But my dear, Rudra has never sat down and studied Book Two, and no one, except Rao now, has studied Book One, the one Rudra took away from Greyerson. So where would Rudra's photographic memory come in?

Finally, I am by now thoroughly confused by the Saraswati + Amrit ka raaz, and as I do not propose to let my poor brains be turned into scrambled eggs, I am simply going to await developments. One can always depend on Utkarsh to bowl a few googlies at us too, so this is the wisest course.😉

Shyamala Di

Originally posted by: appukrish

Thank you Shyamaladi. Apt title. Mind games it is and will be.

You are right as of now we haven't seen any special qualities of most of the Garuds. Their powers will I feel remain hidden and will come out only when really needed, just like knowledge. Last niht

Agree the Naga lot are ultra modern who inject their vish. Kitna achcha hota agar woh dushman ko Dhas dete.

Rudra and Dansh as shishyas are so different. Totally loved the Grur-Shishya scene and your elaborate take on that. The way Rudra listens when MB talks, and the way Dansh brushes off whatever Guru Drish says. The Guru cannot do anything if the shishya is so arrogant and considers himself most powerful and intelligent. Big reason for Dansh's downfall.

Though he had then clinched the matter with Badi ladaayi jeetne ke liye, aise chote sangharsh karne his padte hain ( and if you folks can make any sense of this "chote sangharsh", I cannot! I presume what Rudra meant was choti haar), Rudra is now less sure of himself, and for reassurance, he turns to the only who can guide him, MB. Here to me it seems like - to win the war, one has to go through many challenges of 'what is the right thing to do', how to decide when faced with two equally important situations. Every day, every moment he will be faced with such situations. The challenges are not just physical ones but these mental ones which would be the most difficult to deal with'. Here MBs words are important ' Lekin, jaise jaise kadam aage badayega, aisi chunautiyaan aayengi ki aage badhna asambhav sa lagega..Par- tujhe aage badhna hi padega, apne laksh ki or.

Absolotely beautifully aligned duo Seemaji and Gautam are.

Like your take on Shivanand lacking imagination. He does not anticipate, no fore thinking and talking to the others about potential dangers, inspite of what he has been through, and knowing about the danger. He is extremely intelligent but lacks what we say duniya daari.

Even though Shivanand has not seen the 1st book, I think the Garuds will still be better off having Shiva and no books. The Amrit secret will reveal itself at the right time that too to those deserving of it. And those with the capacity to understand it will grasp it. shiva's knowledge of one book, Rudra's photographic memory & being a Garud Pramukh will all play a role in this...

Dansh is aware of how powerful Rudra is. And the fear of getting defeated/killed by Rudra makes him prepare more and more to try to become invincible.

And his house will barely have any decoration which would be in line with his thinking. If Leela were to jump ship and help the Garuds, she will surely become a decoration in Dansh's residence 😉

Thanks Shyamalaji