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Posted: 10 years ago
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That Seema Biswas - Gautam Rode scene was stunningly well -written and enacted... It may be one of UN's master pieces.. Having never watched DKDM, I am not best placed to comment on that, though... The Q&A format, with the shishya raising one doubt after another, each one being successively cleared by the guru until finally, the scene is set for the beginning of hostilities... Wonder how many have ever had the gumption to use the BG as a cookie-cutter??

And so well- executed that it did no dishonour to the original while looking not out of place in the context of this story...It was a much required Leadership 101 (condensed version) for Rudr. And going by what happened on Day1 of the battle, it will need to be followed up by many more such guru-shishya conversations...Wonderful.😃

About that confusing turn of phrase, I think it was a rare slip up in execution...surely it was written as "badi ladayi jeetne keliye chote sangharsh haarne padte.."

At every turn in this story, the "bhavnaayen" of the garuds and their pramukh are up against the literally coldblooded Danshhh.
Of course they have to appear to lose first, in order to be victorious at the end...


Liked the way Danshhh divulged his trust in Rudr's innate chivalry ("woh aurat par nahin hamla karega isliye tumhein bhej raha hoon") and later on displayed his own lack of the same quality!!!

And his unchivalrous and perfidious betrayal of Leela was triggered by the other garuds' naive & loyal attempt to protect Rudr without his knowledge!!!Irony wrapped in several layers of coded messages.., Fantastic Mr Naithani. 👏

Rudr expected Danshhh to be as concerned about his team's safety as he is, about the Garud team... What a rude awakening for him, for the viewers, and for Leela herself...😲. Bravo!



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Posted: 10 years ago
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@bold - You are indeed super Shyamala ji and 👏 for your tenacity. I am an admirer of your writing, your intensity comes across so well. Count me on your readers list.

Regards.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Sri,

Thanks a million for all those extra Os!

You have hit the nail on the head, for "tenacity" is what it is. Come Friday and Saturday, I always wonder if I can skip it this time, for it is tough, even when it is typed out in instalments, and I simply cannot be brief. But then, though I do not flatter myself unduly, I know that at least a dozen readers will be disappointed if I bunk it, so I cannot.

Sunday mornings, I face this thing, like undone homework, but then once I start, it sort of writes itself, of course with many breaks. And when I have put it up, it is sheer relief, and I tell myself, now I do not need to think of a new post for another week!😉


Our Home DVDs have the film/show, the scene selection and the song selection, and that is it. I once suggested to Ashutosh Gowarikar, whom I got to know in 2008 after the release of his Jodhaa Akbar, that he should include documentaries on Mughal costumes, on the wonderful real jewellery made of the film by Tanishq (450 kgs of gold alone,and they took it as a touring exhibition across India. Must have made a packet selling it all to society ladies and men!), plus his director's commentary. Of course nothing of the sort happened!

Still, I appreciate the very flattering comment, my dear, it is a rare compliment!

Lastly, be a good girl, go straight back to page 1, and hit the Like button for the main post!

Shyamala Akka

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Dear Shyamala ji, Loved your post. I have nothing more to add to your enriching post.

And I also caught up with all the episodes since the Metamorphosis and though at times i found the episodes to be a stretch, i think, with the post-Rudra coming of age, the show has regained its focus.

And thanks for that Kundalini wisdom you compiled and posted in your earlier post, i was able to decipher the significance of that awakening moment. That zen-like-calm you state in Rudra, is so good in its portrayal and it reminds me of what my friend told me about his experience with Dalai Lama 😊 He happened to be at the library when Mr Lama visited it in US, and says the charm, calm Mr Lama exudes has a magnetic pull to it and it is hard for one to not stop doing what they are doing and just look upon him.

One other thing, in real life, I am unable to comprehend the depth to the belief that all gyaan/fulfillment comes by the grace of the Guru. For me a Guru can never equate to God and i am curious/baffled at the following/adulation accorded to them...And on this aspect, i like what MK portrays. MB comes across like a coach/guide, and though at times it does seem Rudra follows her blindly, it stands to reason because she is also the MaiMui for him, a mother figure.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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My dear Vishu,

Thank you, both for liking this one and more so for coming back to my threads.

Now let me tell you something about HH the Dalai Lama .

First, no, not Mr. Lama, my dear! It is His Holiness. His own name is Tenzing Gyatso,and the Dalai Lama is a spiritual post that is always filled thru the re-incarnation of the last one, and the finding of the successor thru a thorough search following certain rules. The present Dalai Lama is the 14th in the line, and his seat was in Lhasa, in the Potala Palace. Now of course it has all been taken over by the Chinese, who have reduced Tibetans to a minority in their own land thru the relentless immigration of Han Chinese into Tibet.

The Dalai Lama fled to India over the Himalayan passes in 1959, as soon as China invaded an occupied Tibet, and it is to the eternal credit of the Govt.of India under Prime Minister Nehru that we not only gave political asylum to him and several lakhs of Tibetan refugees who came over for decades after 1959,but looked after all of them very well, and helped preserve their Tibetan culture. We still do.

When I was a Joint Secretary (Head of a Division)in the Ministry of External Affairs in New Delhi from 1988-1992, one of my duties, apart from my normal territorial division foreign affairs work, was taking care of HH, except where his internal travels were concerned. This included accompanying him to the airport when he left on a foreign visit, and receiving him on arrival. In December 1990, when he returned after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize, as he and I were driving back from New Delhi International Airport at about 2 am, there were Tibetan families, all holding lit candles and flowers, lining the airport road for 3 kms, braving the Delhi winter cold! It was an incredible sight, to see the joy in their faces as he blessed them.

I also visited him in Dharamsala, his headquarters, and met him later in Washington, when I was the Deputy Ambassador there in the mid-1990s.

All in all, I have spent a lot of time with HH. He was, and is, a very serene person, somewhat like Rudra is now, and one could see at a glance that he would be incapable of hatred or anything negative at all. But he had a quality Rudra lacks totally, he had a great sense of humour and of mischief, and he used to laugh a lot at various odd political developments in India and outside. he was also very mechanically inclined, and his great hobby was repairing watches and clocks, though sometimes he could not put them back together!

I count myself blessed that I had this wonderful and rare opportunity to see him up close. He gave me a bronze Buddha statue as a farewell gift when I left that post and went on my first ambassadorial assignment, with his blessings. It has pride of place in our home.

To revert to Mahakumbh, the guru is not equated with God, my dear. He or she is like a conduit, thru whom the grace and the wisdom if the Divine passes to the shishya, for the shishya is not equipped to handle that on his/her own. Whence the cardinal importance of the right conduit, which neither distorts the message nor filters it and holds part of it back. It is a great blessing to get the right guru.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: vspdandeli


Dear Shyamala ji, Loved your post. I have nothing more to add to your enriching post.

And I also caught up with all the episodes since the Metamorphosis and though at times i found the episodes to be a stretch, i think, with the post-Rudra coming of age, the show has regained its focus.

And thanks for that Kundalini wisdom you compiled and posted in your earlier post, i was able to decipher the significance of that awakening moment. That zen-like-calm you state in Rudra, is so good in its portrayal and it reminds me of what my friend told me about his experience with Dalai Lama 😊 He happened to be at the library when Mr Lama visited it in US, and says the charm, calm Mr Lama exudes has a magnetic pull to it and it is hard for one to not stop doing what they are doing and just look upon him.

One other thing, in real life, I am unable to comprehend the depth to the belief that all gyaan/fulfillment comes by the grace of the Guru. For me a Guru can never equate to God and i am curious/baffled at the following/adulation accorded to them...And on this aspect, i like what MK portrays. MB comes across like a coach/guide, and though at times it does seem Rudra follows her blindly, it stands to reason because she is also the MaiMui for him, a mother figure.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Thank you, my dear Vishu. It is because of you and your tribe of faithful readers that I hang in there regardless!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: vspdandeli


@bold - You are indeed super Shyamala ji and 👏 for your tenacity. I am an admirer of your writing, your intensity comes across so well. Count me on your readers list.

Regards.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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My dear,

I agree with you, but the fact is that of late, the questions are multiplying, with no answers in sight, unlike the situation earlier when answers would be slipped in the next day or the next week.

For one thing, take the Saraswati Kund. What about the experiment that was to be done there using the Rao gizmo? Now that they can explore the Kund to their heart's content without Daadi surging up from nowhere and fixing them with a basilisk gaze, Rao, the garuds and Utkarsh seem to have forgotten all about the vilupt Saraswati kas jeev kan, though that was said to be the key to the amrit ka rahasya.

Seeing that they are also running out of time, I have an uneasy feeling that they will suddenly wrap it all up and close it by main force, like the old holdalls used for train travel, with all the odd bits still sticking out!😉

Shyamala

Originally posted by: seedhibaat

Thanks Shyamalaji

If we believe the story of Garud gaurding the Amrut then there was only one Garud against 1000 snakes. I thought Garud Pramukh will use other Garud to help him but wont involve them in actual battle. of course we need to see what happens. MB doesnt even go to the battle field .

Ater watching thr precap of Monday episode I am thinking did Leela had any injury? Why no one else goes to help her? was she just pretending to be injured?Distraction for Rudra.

Rudra runs behind Dansh's car and not behind the Shav Vahan where is Baba is. Dont know why.

Watching Shivanand in sedated state for last few episodes is getting boring now. If he has not seen both the books together before then how Dr Rao thinks Shiva will be able to interpret the books. May be his lab is based on content of only one book and possibly the answer book as he follows what is written in it.

I am feeling there are too many unanswered questions. May be writer knows the answers , viewers remain clueless most of time. To keep the excitement alive in the show its better if some of the confusions are cleared at periodic interval.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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No, my dear Shubha, I do not think Leela would have been taken aback at all. Remember what she spits out at Dansh the other day: Dansh, tumhein janwar banne ke liye kisi wajah ki zaroorat thodi na hai?

She probably also knows. and perhaps even comprehends why he has done it, as necessary to further the naga cause by getting the books and making a safe getaway with them. See how her father reacts, rather like Panna Dai (see my mini-take below on last night's episode).

Not that I understand why Dansh had to make an encounter shooting of it, instead of getting her in the leg or some such place. It would have served his purpose without endangering her life. And one saw last night that but for MB, Leela might well have died.

By the way, what is BG? The background (music)? It does not sound right. Please enlighten me!

Dansh reads Rudra well, but can Rudra read himself?

Shyamala

Originally posted by: happychappy

That Seema Biswas - Gautam Rode scene was stunningly well -written and enacted... It may be one of UN's master pieces.. Having never watched DKDM, I am not best placed to comment on that, though... The Q&A format, with the shishya raising one doubt after another, each one being successively cleared by the guru until finally, the scene is set for the beginning of hostilities... Wonder how many have ever had the gumption to use the BG as a cookie-cutter??

And so well- executed that it did no dishonour to the original while looking not out of place in the context of this story...It was a much required Leadership 101 (condensed version) for Rudr. And going by what happened on Day1 of the battle, it will need to be followed up by many more such guru-shishya conversations...Wonderful.😃

About that confusing turn of phrase, I think it was a rare slip up in execution...surely it was written as "badi ladayi jeetne keliye chote sangharsh haarne padte.."

At every turn in this story, the "bhavnaayen" of the garuds and their pramukh are up against the literally coldblooded Danshhh.Of course they have to appear to lose first, in order to be victorious at the end...

Liked the way Danshhh divulged his trust in Rudr's innate chivalry ("woh aurat par nahin hamla karega isliye tumhein bhej raha hoon") and later on displayed his own lack of the same quality!!!

And his unchivalrous and perfidious betrayal of Leela was triggered by the other garuds' naive & loyal attempt to protect Rudr without his knowledge!!!Irony wrapped in several layers of coded messages.., Fantastic Mr Naithani. 👏

Rudr expected Danshhh to be as concerned about his team's safety as he is, about the Garud team... What a rude awakening for him, for the viewers, and for Leela herself...😲. Bravo!

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Mahakumbh 74: A brewing storm

Folks,

I am afraid I do not feel particularly indulgent towards either Rudra or this episode as a whole, right down to the utterly cliched, last minute clifftop rescue of Leela by our boy wonder.Where did they find this deadly cliff so near Prayag, I wonder. Balderdash!

On Monday, Rudra, thanks to his humanism, ended up minus both the Books and his Baba, a situation that might perhaps have been predicted, and, by Tuesday, with a nag kanya on his hands as well. Seeing that he cannot fail in the end, I am sure it is precisely this that will work out in his favour down the line. But right now, the whole thing looked like a mess.

This is what comes of plans where the right hand does not know what the left hand is doing. Charles, above all, will have to learn that he cannot go on his own way like fancy free, unguided missile, keeping his leader in the dark and botching up the plan that he had already announced to them.

Nor could I understand why Rudra had to lose sight of the precious Books to cater to the enemy agent, which is exactly what Leela is. Not being able to shoot her in cold blood is one thing. Losing sight of his principal objective, and flapping over her while her leader calmly made off with both the Books and his Baba was really too much. And then he runs like mad, not after the shav vahan to rescue his Baba, but after Dansh and the Books.

If Rudra can be led astray so easily, he has to sit down and think this thru, for his has now created a major problem for all of them, , and the next time it might be even worse. I had started crossing him out of the two weak garuds as per Greyerson after his eminently hard-nosed choice during the bomb threat.. But now I am not at all sure. What can one say of a leader who panicks like this in a crisis?

If he cannof focus unwaveringly on the most important thing, in this case getting hold of Shiva, what will he do when the amrit surfaces and the nagas create another diversionary crisis, as I am sure Dansh will?

Rudra needs to be shaken till his teeth rattle, and taught his priorities. If no one else, MB has to din some sense into his head before it is too late. If he was not the hero, who has to win out in the end, he would never last out on this slowly rising learning curve of his! 😉By the time he has finished learning, the Mahakumbh, and the amrit, would be both gone.

And I do not understand this 'save Leela' bit. She has been shot 3 times, and Rudra is not capable of saving her if she were dying. Plus she is not his responsibility; his Baba and the Two Books are. He fails big time, as I have pointed out above, not only in his priorities but in his ability to achieve what he has decided to do. The running after Dansh, instead of the vehicle with his Baba, is a case in point.

Today, he also displays his inability to carry his troops with him. MB points this out to him, but I did not see him do anything concrete to allay their concerns, bar preaching at them.

He would have the luxury of doing that and playing the moral autocrat if his plans were always successful, but this latest one has been a total washout, and at least some of the garuds will attribute that to his mistakes. This is like a coalition govt. and you need a supple diplomat to keep the flock together and still get his own way. So far, Rudra has not shown that he has this talent, and the intra-garud situation resembles an incipient civil war.

No wonder Tiwari, who is no Rudra bhakt, and probably resents the way his guru, Prof .Rao, has been sidelined, wants to strike out on his own after the nagas, only to be opposed by Charles, who will follow Rudra whatever his personal reservations. But that would not be true of either Tiwari or Katharine, and unless Rudra exerts himself to get them too on board, garuda unity, and their eventual victory, will both end up as pipedreams. That will not happen, of course, but that does not mean that the denoument, and what leads up to it, will be credible.

Just 2 more points. One, Rao is no Narad, nor has he caused any phoot among the garuds. The point about the garuds is that they are not robot soldiers like the nagas. They are individuals, and individuals have individual points of view that need not agree with that of the Pramukh. It was perfectly lazmi for Rao to have doubts about Rudra's "surrender the Two Books and get Baba back and later we can get the Books back too" scheme. But even so he does add that it is for the Garuda Pramukh to take that decision. And why should Charles and Tiwari not feel the same? Any rational person would.

And now that gambit has failed, perhaps because of the clandestine garud activism, but the fact is that it has failed totally, and Rudra has brought in, to quote Charles, a nayi museebat. So naturally the doubts begin to emerge, and right now it looks like a civil war in the making!

Incidentally, Rao seems to have taken himself off, for he was nowhere to be seen yesternight.

And what about the Saraswati Kund and the Rao gizmo? Now that they can explore that to their heart's content without Daadi surging up from nowhere and fixing them with a basilisk gaze, Rao, the garuds and Utkarsh seem to have forgotten all about the vilupt Saraswati kas jeev kan, though that was touted at length as being the key to the amrit ka rahasya. Strange.

Seeing that they are also running out of time, I have an uneasy feeling that they will suddenly wrap it all up and close it by main force, like the old holdalls used for train travel, with all the odd bits still sticking out!😉😉


Secondly, the real shocker, which is going to hit many hard, is the attitude of Leela's father, for whom the naga causeapparently trumps his daughter's life. But this is not an unusual concept, and it is not so difficult to understand where Guru Drish is coming from.

In 16th century Rajasthan, Panna Dai let her own son be murdered to protect the heir to Mewar, who later became Maharana Udai Singh. It was not that she loved her son less, but that she loved Mewar more. The parallel is not exact, but in the main, it is the same for Drish. But of course no one will give him any credit for that, whereas if Shiva or Daadi had done something similar, they would have been lauded for their selfless sacrifice!!

Even so, I was surprised that he did not ask Dansh why he made an encounter killing of it, instead of shooting her where the injury would not be fatal, for that too would have served his stated purpose equally well. . Then Dansh would have had no answer.
It is all very puzzling, which is of course the normal state of affairs for us!😉

Dansh, I was glad to see, is entirely consistent, and the reasons that I had questions about a day earlier, concerning his shooting Leela and having himself whipped, were both answered tonight and highlighted his ruthlessness.

I liked the slow build up of frustrated rage in Dansh as Shivanand goes on and on about the superiority of the garuds once they are united. Which he then takes out, curiously enough, exactly as Rudra did repeatedly, by having his henchmen whip the naga chinna off his back.

Secondly, I am heartily tired of seeing Shivanand with his head lolling, like a piece of human flotsam. He was my favourite character till a couple of weeks back, and I strongly resent his being reduced to this. But his boasting that once all the garuds were together, that one garud had always been equal to 1000 nagas reminded me, in its foolish and unnecessary braggadocio, of similar statements by our neighbouring country generals. 😉 It was also a case of foot in the mouth disease, for Shivanand clearly briefs Drish here, if he is clever enough to catch the hint, as to what he should do to prevent this scenario from materialising!

For Dansh would just have to keep him in a captivity with that laser on his head. Then, unless Rudra stumbles into a rabbit hole, like Alice in Alice in Wonderland, that leads down to Dansh's hideout, he is never going to be able to find the naga lair or his Baba. Then there would be no question of all the garuds ever uniting.

Or kill Shivanand outright, which would really be the most sensible thing for Dansh to do under the circumstances, for it would cripple the garuds for keeps. But then Utkarsh will not let him do it; he is too fond of having Shivanand sitting with that laser on his head, shaking all over and making odd noises. Incidentally, when Shivanand was trying to burn the chinna on his head himself, in front of Rudra, there was not a squeak out of him, so why all these sound effects now?

Lastly, what was it about Leela helping get rid of the poison ingested by Maya? MB was offering that as an argument to pacify the irritated garuds who were dead against Rudra rescuing Leela. But the precap seemed to indicate that Rudra is letting her off scot free, possibly trying to outdo an Ekta Kapoor heroine in mahaanta!

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Edited by sashashyam - 10 years ago
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Shymaladi if Dansh hurt Rudra where it matters, I would say Shiva hurt Dansh where it matters also. I would say a good tit for tat😉. Let Shiva be with Dansh. Rudra has no clue how to hurt Dansh. But Shiva obviously knows that. He had done the same with Poland group also.
See whether it is Poland group or Nag they are afraid to deal in face to face battles with Garuds. Why. Reason being they are afraid in face offs they don't stand a chance with Garuds. So they do all the stealth method, whether it is capturing Shiva or torturing him, killing or maiming members of their own clan, killing innocents etc.. It is just the inferiority complex of this people playing out.
Shiva exactly harped at that inferiority complex. He mocked Dansh and called him a loser without calling. Dansh himself has that internal fear Rudra is still a threat. Shiva with his dialogues amplified that threat. Dansh fell prey for the same.
If you look at the birth of Krishna the turning point is the baby girl showing herself as Durga in front of Kamsa and announcing " Idiot your killer is born". Note the words " Idiot or Murkh Kams". From there starts Kamsa's worry. With all his planning and plotting the baby boy, Devaki's 8th son is safe, that internal worry itself weakness him and he makes mistakes.
Same is the case with Dansh. if he is gonna keep Shiva more, Shiva is gonna harp him more and weaken him internally with his barbs.
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I agree with your line of reasoning here in toto, Shruthi. Which is why I had noted that
I liked the slow build up of frustrated rage in Dansh as Shivanand goes on and on about the superiority of the garuds once they are united.

But that is also why I do not understand why Dansh - who was prepared to let Shiva go to get the Two Books, and thus did not believe, unlike the Polish group, that he would need Shiva to interpret the Two Books - simply does not bump him off right now.

Instead, he seems inclined to keep him there, getting more and more riled by his jibes. It is like wearing a hair shirt that lacerates the skin. So why not finish it all off at one go?

There is no answer forthcoming to this question.

I was also surprised to see that Guru Drish did not pounce on the books at once, like Rao.

Shyamala Di

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

Shymaladi if Dansh hurt Rudra where it matters, I would say Shiva hurt Dansh where it matters also. I would say a good tit for tat😉. Let Shiva be with Dansh. Rudra has no clue how to hurt Dansh. But Shiva obviously knows that. He had done the same with Poland group also.

See whether it is Poland group or Nag they are afraid to deal in face to face battles with Garuds. Why. Reason being they are afraid in face offs they don't stand a chance with Garuds. So they do all the stealth method, whether it is capturing Shiva or torturing him, killing or maiming members of their own clan, killing innocents etc.. It is just the inferiority complex of this people playing out.
Shiva exactly harped at that inferiority complex. He mocked Dansh and called him a loser without calling. Dansh himself has that internal fear Rudra is still a threat. Shiva with his dialogues amplified that threat. Dansh fell prey for the same.
If you look at the birth of Krishna the turning point is the baby girl showing herself as Durga in front of Kamsa and announcing " Idiot your killer is born". Note the words " Idiot or Murkh Kams". From there starts Kamsa's worry. With all his planning and plotting the baby boy, Devaki's 8th son is safe, that internal worry itself weakness him and he makes mistakes.
Same is the case with Dansh. if he is gonna keep Shiva more, Shiva is gonna harp him more and weaken him internally with his barbs.

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