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Originally posted by: Chiillii

It may or may not have been an adoption. Only thing confirmed is that Drupad's wife asks them to be henceforth known as her children. Which means she was not the biological mother. But that still leaves open the possibility that Drupad may have had them from another woman or they may not be Drupad's at all.

The ceremony was specific for consecrating Dhrishtdyumn and getting him divine sanction or brahmana sanction for killing Drona and given to Drupad as a son.

One other thing it was a malafide yagya / Black yagya. One done for destruction not for improvement or development. Therefore when even Draupadi comes out, the sanction for her is destruction of evil kshatriya.

Normally when a girl comes to a house as daughter or daughter in law. The blessing is of prosperity and growth. In Drau's case the duryagya meant the blessing will be destruction of evil.

Every yagya depending upon its purpose has its own benediction protocol.

For eg wedding blessings for the boy are chiranjeevi bhava and girls are sowbhagyavati bhav

Or Santi Yagya is Manah Shantir Bhavatu for both

Etc.

Its a benediction. Kind of a protocol thing. I dont think it was any prophecy or expectation from her or plan for her.

Yes

Drupad's wife asked Yaja that none else should be known as mother of these kids, They are called nothing but children of Drupad, I do believe they were his kids but he never acknowledged them before he was defeated by Pandavas

Your Brahman Yagya theory makes sense too because Drupad says that he has Kshatriya power and he needs Brahman power, he didn't get the power to kill Drona so his Kshatriya power is in Dristadumya only if Dristadumya is his son who got Brahman power after the ceremony

Agree about Black Yagya too as most priests didn't perform it for Drupad

The reason I believe the fire story was a propaganda is because their birth is not mentioned in the book as a separate event, Some Brahman told Pandavas about fire birth of Draupadi and Dristadumya

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Can we do a fun debate?

Who from Indian cinema can you see as the following characters. Pick from ANY era.

Panchali - Keerthi Suresh (as good looking as deepika but acts million times better)

Krishna - Mahesh Babu (Madhavan was so apt, but he looks very old now)

Arjuna - Rana Daggubati

Yudhishtira - Ayushman Khurana

Bheema - VidyutJamwal

Nakula - Siddharth Malhotra

Sahdev - Rajkumar Rao with elevated shoes.

Kunti - Ramya Krishnan

Dhrishtadyumna - Ranveer Singh

Shikhandi - Tiger Shroff

Karna - Amir Khan (He needs to look as old as Karna was compared to pandavas and kouravas)

Suyodhana - Prabhas

Dusshassan - Ranbir Kapoor (Dury of star bharat)

Shakuni - Shahrukh Khan (I strongly feel karna and shakuni were near about the same age)

Bheeshma - Amitabh Bacchan

Drona - Naseeruddin Shah

Vidura - Sanjay Mishra

Dhritharashtra - Anupam Kher

Gandhari - Kiron Kher

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Yes

Drupad's wife asked Yaja that none else should be known as mother of these kids, They are called nothing but children of Drupad, I do believe they were his kids but he never acknowledged them before he was defeated by Pandavas

Your Brahman Yagya theory makes sense too because Drupad says that he has Kshatriya power and he needs Brahman power, he didn't get the power to kill Drona so his Kshatriya power is in Dristadumya only if Dristadumya is his son who got Brahman power after the ceremony

Agree about Black Yagya too as most priests didn't perform it for Drupad

Once again, Panchali says she was sitting on her father's lap while her brother was being tutored. If it was Drupada, he'd acknowledged them or they wouldn't be in his house, sitting on his lap. If they were acknowledged, they were known because there would be no hiding the heir to Panchal throne.

CE Vol 2 330 (33)

“In earlier times, a learned brahmana was lodged in my father’s house.206 O bull among the Bharata lineage! He told all this, first propounded by Brihaspati,207 to my father. He also taught all this to my brothers. I overheard this conversation at home. O King Yudhishthira!He explained this to me comfortingly, when I would arrive on some task, or when I was serving, or when I was seated on my father’s lap.”’

They could not have been Drupada's children. That much is made clear by text. Their actual parentage might be conjecture, but the fact they were not biologically Drupada's is clear.

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I don't know if it's the temptation to believe Panchali was a victim of circumstances or what. But she was not. She was very clearly adopted out of a need for the alliance. Drupada agreed because he wanted Dhrishtadyumna.

Originally posted by: Chiillii

Can we do a fun debate?

Who from Indian cinema can you see as the following characters. Pick from ANY era.

Panchali - Keerthi Suresh (as good looking as deepika but acts million times better)

Krishna - Mahesh Babu (Madhavan was so apt, but he looks very old now)

Arjuna - Rana Daggubati

Yudhishtira - Ayushman Khurana

Bheema - VidyutJamwal

Nakula - Siddharth Malhotra

Sahdev - Rajkumar Rao with elevated shoes.

Kunti - Ramya Krishnan

Dhrishtadyumna - Ranveer Singh

Shikhandi - Tiger Shroff

Karna - Amir Khan (He needs to look as old as Karna was compared to pandavas and kouravas)

Suyodhana - Prabhas

Dusshassan - Ranbir Kapoor (Dury of star bharat)

Shakuni - Shahrukh Khan (I strongly feel karna and shakuni were near about the same age)

Bheeshma - Amitabh Bacchan

Drona - Naseeruddin Shah

Vidura - Sanjay Mishra

Dhritharashtra - Anupam Kher

Gandhari - Kiron Kher

@Bold. yes, I can see that

@Green Really? Dhrishtadyumna was supposed to be goodlooking

@Red. 🤣 Peeps would have a heart attack

@ Blue. can totally see that.

I think Amitabh as Bheeshma is something everyone agrees on. Someday, I hope he does a Shaktimaan pose😆

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

But was it necessary for Yudhishtir to continue playing till slavery?? I mean I understood that Yudhishtir couldn't have denied the invitation for a competition held for his honour. They continued with it, but was staking Indraprasth a must for Yudhishtir? Couldn't he just excuse himself after losing the money and das dasis?

Yudhishtir himself says, as he started losing his pride vanity and ego got the better of him. He was being mocked as a loser. Not verbally but implication was there.

IMO as he staked his kingdom and then brothers he thought elders would intervene to force dury to lose the stake and he could walk away with a win. Because after all it was ritual honoring him.

And was it necessary to accept the second game of dice? Till now things were pretty clear for Yudhishtir.

This is a confusing one. Need a separate discussion on this. I have not been able to understand why Yudhi accepted this

As you said there were multiple events that were organised, definitely it wouldn't have been a mandate that the king on whose honour the function was being organised would win each of them (rather it's impossible) so couldn't he just back out after things start taking a wrong turn?

Usually the king would designate his warrior who would play on behalf of him for other events. The king himself would rarely participate. But most kings would take part in the dice game. It was kind of a show off thing for kings. Yudhi was not wrong in expecting that after a few loses he will be given a token victory. As most of the time that was how it was.

If you ask me, I don't think Shakuni did some cheating in the game, there were many people in the dice hall and many of them were neutral, they would have realised that it was cheating, not even Yudhishtir said it ever, until Draupadi made that announcement. That entire cheating narrative seems an excuse given to hide the loss if you ask me.

Yeah absolutely no cheating. Other than the fact that Shakuni was Virat Kohli of Dyut and Yudhishtir played gully cricket with little kids once in a while, and the kids would give him a few kiddie throws to make him happy since he gave them bat and ball to play.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Once again, Panchali says she was sitting on her father's lap while her brother was being tutored. If it was Drupada, he'd acknowledged them or they wouldn't be in his house, sitting on his lap. If they were acknowledged, they were known because there would be no hiding the heir to Panchal throne.

CE Vol 2 330 (33)

“In earlier times, a learned brahmana was lodged in my father’s house.206 O bull among the Bharata lineage! He told all this, first propounded by Brihaspati,207 to my father. He also taught all this to my brothers. I overheard this conversation at home. O King Yudhishthira!He explained this to me comfortingly, when I would arrive on some task, or when I was serving, or when I was seated on my father’s lap.”’

They could not have been Drupada's children. That much is made clear by text. Their actual parentage might be conjecture, but the fact they were not biologically Drupada's is clear.

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I don't know if it's the temptation to believe Panchali was a victim of circumstances or what. But she was not. She was very clearly adopted out of a need for the alliance. Drupada agreed because he wanted Dhrishtadyumna.

I do believe in adoption theory too, I have said this so many times, This could be after Draupadi came to Panchal and she had brotherS Dristadumya and Shikhandi, Dristadumya got training from Drona, this alone suggests that Drupad was devoted to his education

In this quote, Draupadi is talking about her brothers and father, did Ekanamsa have brothers or a father? A life Draupadi is describing here

I don't think Draupadi being Drupad's biological daughter or her not being Ekanamsa makes her a victim of circumstances, where did this come from?

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Can we do a fun debate?

Who from Indian cinema can you see as the following characters. Pick from ANY era.

Panchali - Kangna Ranaut/young Hema Malini

Krishna - Kartik Aryan (his cute n naughty smile)

Arjuna - Ranveer Kapoor/Hritik Roshan

Yudhishtira - Arjun Rampal

Bheema - Akshay Kumar (I always anticipate Bheem as strong not someone obese as shows make him)

Nakula - Ayushman Khurana (not sure if he would do it, but he definitely is Great looking)

Sahdev - Aparakshit Khurana

Kunti - Jaya Bachhan/Asha Parekh(only adding this option if you don't want Amit-Jaya as Sasur Babu😆)

Dhrishtadyumna - Dayanand Shetty (Daya from CID)

Shikhandi - Late Sadashiv Amrapurkar(if male actor)/ Payal Rohtagi(if female actor)

Karna - Sanjay Dutt

Suyodhana -Prabhas/Tiger Shroff (if grey character), Jim Sarbh(if Completely black character)

Dusshassan -Arpit (Dury of Star Bharat)

Shakuni - Saurabh Shukla

Bheeshma -Amitabh Bachhan, Divyendu(Pyar Ka punchnaama waala liquid) as young Devrat

Drona -Firoz Khan-Arjun

Vidura - Paresh Rawal

Dhritharashtra- Puneet Issar (Dury from BRC)

Gandhari - Farida Jalal

Adding few additional characters

Drupad-- Shivaji Satam(ACP Pradyumna from CID)

Virat -- Pankaj Dheer

Shalya--Ranjeet

Abhimanyu-- Akash Thosar (The hero of the movie Sairat)

Lakshman n Dusshashan's son(I want a real Abhimanyu Vadh as it happened, same actor can play both)-- Kinshuk Vaidya

Subhadra-- Nushrat Baraucha

Uttara -- Shumona Chakravarti

Amba -- Payal Rohtagi

Uttar-- Sanjay Chaudhary (Munna from Ye Un Dinno ki baat hai)

Ashwathama-- Ashish Chaudhary

Originally posted by: NoraSM

I do believe in adoption theory too, I have said this so many times, This could be after Draupadi came to Panchal and she had brotherS Dristadumya and Shikhandi, Dristadumya got training from Drona, this alone suggests that Drupad was devoted to his education

In this quote, Draupadi is talking about her brothers and father, did Ekanamsa have brothers or a father? A life Draupadi is describing here

I don't think Draupadi being Drupad's biological daughter or her not being Ekanamsa makes her a victim of circumstances, where did this come from?

Panchali had passed puberty by the time she was adopted. She wasn't going to sit on Drupada's lap and listen to brahmanas at the time.

505(208)‘Markandeya said, “O extender of the Kuru lineage! Brahma’s third sonhad Apava’s daughter as a wife.189 O king! Listen to the account of hisoffspring—Brihajjyoti, Brihatkirti, Brihadbrahma, Brihanmana,Brihanmantra, Brihadbhasa and Brihaspati. The first daughter of Angiraswas the goddess Bhanumati. Among all his offspring, she was unmatchedin beauty. Angiras’s second daughter was named Raga. She was loved byall beings and that was the reason she was known as Raga.190 Angiras’sthird daughter was Sinivali. Her form was thin and her body wassometimes seen and sometimes not seen. So it was said that she was likeKapardin’s daughter.191 Then Archismati was seen with her radianceand Havismati with her oblations. Angiras’s sixth sacred daughter wasnamed Mahishmati. The seventh of Angiras’s daughters was Mahamati.She was radiant and was honoured at great sacrifices. This seventhdaughter, Mahamati, was renowned. On seeing another immenselyfortunate daughter, people wonderingly exclaimed that she was one andcould not be divided. She was given the name of Kuhu.”’192

3rd son of Brahma is Angirasa

@Bold are sons. Rest are daughters

@Blue in Sanskrit

8 yāṃ tu dṛṣṭvā bhagavatīṃ janaḥ kuhukuhāyate

ekānaṃśeti yām āhuḥ kuhūm aṅgnirasaḥ sutām

Ekanamsa was given the name of Kuhu

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Panchali need not be Ekanamsa. I believe she was because it fits. But one fact is not conjecture. She and Dhrishtadyumna were adopted children.

Originally posted by: Chiillii

Yaar Karna and Shakuni being of equal age is ok but seriously SRK as Shakuni?? This is the funniest.

Rest are good

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Can we do a fun debate?

Who from Indian cinema can you see as the following characters. Pick from ANY era.

Panchali - Anushka Shetty and Nayanthara

Krishna - I don't see anyone but SRJ as Krishna maybe

Arjuna - Prabhas or Allu Arjun or Ranveer Singh

Yudhishtira - I don't dislike anyone enough

Bheema - Rana Duggubati or Prabhas

Nakula -

Sahdev -

Kunti -

Dhrishtadyumna - Allu Arjuna 😍😍😍

Shikhandi - Ranveer Singh (A warrior with feminine side, I think he can portray this)

Karna - Same as Arjuna

Suyodhana - Suriya Sivakumar or Vijay

Dusshassan -

Shakuni -

Bheeshma - Amitabh Bachchan

Drona - Anupam Kher

Vidura -

Dhritharashtra-

Gandhari -

If Age wasn't a factor, I want SRK as Krishna or Arjuna or Karna