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Posted: 11 years ago
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@ Srishti Actually In RM's version of MB Draupadi hears him speak telepathically saying how can you marry a sutaputra? And it is very clear there that Draupadi is waiting for Arjuna and is looking for an excuse to say 'no' and she uses the voice's question to make her objection. But Krishna was all about strategy, in my opinion. Even what seems casteist, works out in favor of his side. Fair or not fair, he used every tactic to bring about the end he wanted. Even if you take out the divinity, you have to admit he was brilliant tactician. Yeah, you are right if the Pandavs wanted to WW themselves, they should have done a better job of it.😆. But you got to admit, while Pandav-Panchali is clearly depicted as a political match, the ArSu was quite politically convenient too.


Of all the people who I wonder about in MB, Krishna followed by Draupadi are the ones who I am in awe of. To think that an intellect like Krishna's walked the earth, boggles the mind. Panchali starts off as a regular human being, but after VH, comes into her own. Even today, how many of us be willing to stand alone and face down a crowd which basically considers you a slave without rights?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@anu oh its like that in rm! I didn't know. oh I do admit krishna was really a great tactician and strategiest.that's why I like him. arsu was a political alliance. I admire krishna because he had a great mind and used it brilliantly(though many times he got name callings or cursed, he accepted with a smile) .
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: srishtisingh

@justmyself interesting points! regarding ur question being mb written so that it whitewashes pandavas then I think then they were realy stupid people because their mistakes does glare from epic itself! because if it would have been me I would have removed even the account of chhal kapat! why in war or text even the good qualities of kaurava mentioned? just paint them black its not like anyone is going to come with a timemachine? why yudhishthir should b shown a gambling addict? why valor of enemy should b praised? one thing I agree with u is even if u think krishna as a god or not, an incarnation is bound in limits of human world. and krishna "never" asked drau to reject karna.it was drau choice he was nowhere involved. but wether he was a casteist or not that's a different matter altogether abt dury being refuting social boundaries and being a social reformist is something I don't agree on.


thanks 4 responding 🤗
ok u say there r glaring mistakes of d pandavas..bt 4 thr every mistake they hv equally added a justification

1.bheesma abducts d 3 princes n gets cursed that 1day he wd die at d hands of sikhandi.that means bringing shikandi n winning is justifyd here.

2.kunti out of curiosity to test d boon has karna..being unmarried cannot keep him..so kunti is excused here.

3.drupad says whoever hits d fish eye wins draupadi bt he didnt say this n that ppl r nt allowed to participate..so sdnt d rules hv been laid down?when thr was clearly no restriction bt only dependent on ability quality or archery competition hw cd karna b prevented?so hw do they make justification?that draupadi herself reject karna bcoz of caste.she cd allow sadhu baba to hit target bt nt karna.😲

4.they justify drona being killed that fashion as abhimanyu too was killed in that manner that means tricks.

5.karna is justified to lose as he sided with duri

6.yudi is justified to gamble as a khatriya can not refuse war n a game of challenge.

everywhr pandavas r justified they hv sum reason of validity of thr actions.

dnt get me wrong..i am nt saying that this is what happened..nor am i with kauravas..bt as d question was what u find fascinating..so i am citing d possibilitys..its so strange to bliv that bheesma vidhur all wd b silent n wrong pandavas..i am nt questioning character..i am pondering over possibilitys..i am nt saying duri social reformist 😆..i am saying what if karna bcam d king hw wd hv d equations turn out to be then?coz clearly duri n karna were amazing frnds..may b d war cd hv been avoided if krishna who gives ghyan to all just as well thot of giving bit gyan to kunti n coax her to accept karna..then perhaps karna cd hv been alive n so wd hv my poor abhimanyu n sweet ghatotkach..thats all..this is all i wish to say..i mean sab ko gyan denewala gyani baba krishna forgot to give gyan to kunti to tell truth n make karna d king n let live all others happily ever after?😲
that it is a story apended n amended by many a hands is evidently clear as thr r so many conflicts n contradictions..it stands out as every person's character cause of action n reaction can be reanalysed n retold ..
d mahabharat tells of modern india..it is 4m mahabharat that disrespect of women is shown openly..right 4m bheesmas abducting d 3 princes 4 his worthles qualityles drunkard bro..next mahabharat shows ghandari being forced to marry a blind vain dhriti...next cum pandu marrying madri n hurting kunti..n lastly draupadis VH by kauravas..so d demonic rituals of violence against women starts right 4m mahabharat n continues..thats y mahabharat is still relevant ..we relive every day of horror of that age even today..so evn tho it has few glitches in story telling bt its a classic as we relive every moment of oppression..like karna we face social discrimination..like yudi we encounter addicts..like abhimanyu we get dutiful sons..like bheesma we find an elder strong yet weak in heart..its d exploration of human emotions which attracts us..thats all i wish to say.😊




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Posted: 11 years ago
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@justmyself loved ur points ! I agree mb story is "what if". that's the beauty of epic. as u think dury would have accepted karna kingship I think differently. both things are possible yet none happened. similar holds TRUE for each action. abt the gyan thing, I think the gyan part works only on those who have capacity to receive and adopt that gyan in life.people listen advice of people they love or trust which I think doesnot hold for dur krishna dynamic. mb is the story of human mistakes which does give disastrous result! kunti was clever, I think revealation would have some aftereffects on pandava status hence she avoided it. but revealed when came the question of benefit of her sons. so why would krishna? he was trying to reinstate pandavas on throne, why he would take such step?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: srishtisingh

@justmyself loved ur points ! I agree mb story is "what if". that's the beauty of epic. as u think dury would have accepted karna kingship I think differently. both things are possible yet none happened. similar holds TRUE for each action. abt the gyan thing, I think the gyan part works only on those who have capacity to receive and adopt that gyan in life.people listen advice of people they love or trust which I think doesnot hold for dur krishna dynamic. mb is the story of human mistakes which does give disastrous result! kunti was clever, I think revealation would have some aftereffects on pandava status hence she avoided it. but revealed when came the question of benefit of her sons. so why would krishna? he was trying to reinstate pandavas on throne, why he would take such step?


agree with u totally mahabharat is all abt ifs nt bts..
i heard krishna knowingly did sins to get a curse 4m gandhari so that d jadavas clan also gets wiped out 4m earth..i c krishna as a man of immense brilliance n strategy..i love his foresightedness n cunningness..
karna was kuntis son nt within d knowledge of pandu so technically they cnt say pandu putro karna i feel its d only reason krishna kept quite here..bcoz revealing karnas identity wd hv meant hving to disclose publicly of d boon..i also feel apart 4m yudi rest of d pandavas were awesum souls who didnt question yudi who gv u d right to pawn us or our wife..if it ws me b4 kauravas i wd hv chopped off yudis head 😆🤣
i really cnt stand pandu 4 marrying madri 4 her beauty n hurting kunti n i cnt stand this yudi baba 🤢..n that dushashan n that duri 4 VH 😡..bt i iam confused whom do i hate more?😕

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Posted: 11 years ago
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interesting points @JustMySelf.. your posts makes me think about depth in every character ..they all had flaws..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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sorry for the comment.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: riti4u

interesting points @JustMySelf.. your posts makes me think about depth in every character ..they all had flaws..


thanx 🤗
ya all had flaws just like we hv..emotions that we cnt control..thirst 4 power thirst 4 supremacy thirst to win thirst to demean others n hunger 4 self adulations ..we humans r so susceptible nah?all problems due to this ego..if i hv no ego then too trouble as without ego one dont have sense of self respect..bt too much of ego makes one greedy 4 recognizations n yearn 4 supremacy n dominance 🤢

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Agree that MB continues to fascinate.

I prefer to remove divinity as far as possible and my view is that it gives great lessons in strategy. In forums outside IF there are deep discussions as to how and why Krishna chose the Pandavas (among all the rulers of Aryavrat) as his allies and yes Mensa ratings of geniuses don't come anywhere close to what Krishna was capable of. The way he planned and executed his strategy to mould Aryavat according to his vision (despite the fact that the Pandavas almost threw away the gains in the game of dice) is simply fascinating.

The text has undergone extreme modifications. If there are views that Pandava sympathizers may have distorted the text, there are equal counter views that once the Kaurava sympathizers became powerful again they toned down some of the more villainous parts, which is why there seems to be distortions between the parvas. It's the only reason I try to compare it with the Far East versions and conclude.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: JustMySelf


thanx 🤗
ya all had flaws just like we hv..emotions that we cnt control..thirst 4 power thirst 4 supremacy thirst to win thirst to demean others n hunger 4 self adulations ..we humans r so susceptible nah?all problems due to this ego..if i hv no ego then too trouble as without ego one dont have sense of self respect..bt too much of ego makes one greedy 4 recognizations n yearn 4 supremacy n dominance 🤢

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ofcourse these are normal emotions they experienced .. like we experience each day...some emotions just cross limits at time..but its there in everyone.. ego is negative aspect but pride is positive aspect... but yeah a thin line separating two.. wonder who clearly see that ..😊
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