Shalya - a ploy in Karan's cruel fate! - Page 4

Originally posted by: Medha.S

The shalya thing was completely because of their own foolishness and penchant for trickery. Seriously, why would you trick someone and his large army to fight for you when he wants to be part of the opposition? good for them shalya didn instruct his army to kill kaurav soldiers instead of harming the opposition -- someone else in his position today would not be forgiving and would be fueled by vindictive feelings to do who knows what? And then you go and make him a charioteer when he clearly objects to it ...

Originally posted by: Gene_Nisha

TFS :)

I'm not a karna fan in Mahabharat but i do not hate him either. his charecter has suffered the ultimate in the mahabharat.

i wanted to add one point here..

wen Karna has been slained by Arjun on 16th day and he was taking his last breath den Lord sun and Indra started quarelling whose son is the bestt and den Govind enters the scene to prove and disguises himself as a brahmin.

He asks for a Daan from Karna and he replies i do not have anythng to give not even his saans but again he remembers dat he has a golden tooth and takes his knife and cuts it and give it to the brahmin.

Brahmin says dat is a jhoota, i cant touch it and asks karna to wash it and den give it to him. Karna even in that state does the same and den gives it to him..

Den Krishna says see he is a true warrior and a daanveer. noone can question about the same.

Originally posted by: riti4u

😊 What a bargain isnt it... Someone snatches your immortality away and gives you an astra in return... if it was bargain... I wish Karna would have asked more.. else all I can see is his loss here...

Karna knew he is Indra because Surya told him. But Indra came there in disguise to ask for KK daan.. so that was a deciet only..

Originally posted by: -TomNJerry-

thanks for your thoughts...I get your point but there is always a flip side to everything ... it's just putting yourself in their shoes ... I know it's extremely difficult to empathize it is often easier to sympathize with them

from my understanding ... every character in Mahabharat had their own dharam, they defined dharam in their own terms ... and somewhere down the line they justified it ...

it may be a completely different story from a 3rd persons view however!

Pitama Bhishma, Guru Drona and Karan's dharam was to live up to the vows they made come what may, ... they gave their lives to honour their loyalties and promises they had once made ... for them dharam was been true to their vows. In their minds and hearts they knew where true righteous lay ...that is why Bhishma gave the victory blessing to Yudhishthir and not Duryodhan, Drona didn't give Ashwatthama a victory blessing instead he told Ashwatthama to fight on his own strength not by a blessing ... and Karan didn't seek any victory blessing

1) Pitama Bhishma - vow was to protect who ever sat on the crown, he would see his father's shadow in the King and protect him under any circumstance no questions asked

2) Drona's dharam was being loyal to Hastinapur, coz Hastinapur sheltered him when he needed ... so he couldn't go against the salt he had eaten

3) Karan dharam was his loyalty to his friend ...

defining dharam and being righteous were not exactly the same

I also remember in one of the recent episodes ... when Lord Krishna is talking to Balram... he says the problem lies in the fact that people are so dedicated to their promises that they cannot see the pain of a 3rd person ... karooma sookh gayi hai (no place left for compassion) ... Lord Krishna says that if a vow has to be broken for true compassion ... then it MUST BE BROKEN ... defining that compassion is the highest form of Dharam ...

for Karan I don't think it was about winning at all ... winning for him meant only 3 things his ... 3 wishes ...

1) to be loyal to his friend Duryodhan

2) kill Arjun coz he wanted to prove a point that your ability lies in your strength and not your caste

3) to die with dignity before Duryodhan

Originally posted by: -TomNJerry-

true, having Shalya was a gamble ... a person who stabs u from ur own side really breaks you from within

it was greed from Sakuni he wanted to outnumber their side of the army ... am not really sure but from what i have read Karan saw some qualities in Shalya that would be at par with Lord Krishna thats why he choose Shalya as a charioteer