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Posted: 11 years ago
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Something as big as this war (I think this is on par of a World War) cannot be placed on the burden of one single individual (granted Krishna was the mastermind behind this, but it's not fair to include Krishna). My blame goes to adharmi kings who sought personal benefits rather than the welfare of the entire world. It wasn't a single person that sparked the war, it was the result of a series of events colliding in such a manner that there was no other way out.
To start off, the person cannot be a member of the past, they must have been alive and present during the times of the war:

For example: the rivalry between the Kauravas and Pandavas would not have happened if Pandu had not decided to go in the forest. Which also means that if he did not go to the forest, he would not get cursed, which also means that the Pandavas wouldn't really be benedictions of the demigods. The colliding of Pandu and the sage that cursed him in a perfect example of being unable to place the blame. Is it Pandu's fault that he killed the sage, yes. Is it the sage's fault for giving such a curse (considering sages are supposed to be kind and merciful to everyone), yes. But the result is that Kunti and Madri invoke various demigods and get their blessing to have children.

Further, Pandu could not control himself any further and wanted to have sex with Madri. Thus, we can easily point the blame to Pandu. If he didn't give up the throne, kill the sage, leave the forest, want to have some enjoyment with Madri despite knowing he would die... he's a perfect candidate. But then again, what later happened cannot be foreseen, which is why we can't place the blame on the actions of a past character.

That being said - Dhritarastra had no control over himself or his sons. He was a king first which equates him to being a father of the entire population and then he was a family person. Dhriti placed the latter as top priority and hence he literally turned a blind eye every time Duri suggested something cunning to get rid of the Pandavas. So in my opinion, Dhriti had the most influence over the war. At times, he would assert his power (for example giving back Draupadi everything lost in the dice game), and at other times he felt powerless (peace messengers). Was he the actual reason? nope, not even close. And this is because the war was because of a series of interluding / intertwined events that made it difficult to escape. Would it have been possible to avoid the war - most certainly, but Mother Earth's burden would not have been reduced, nor would we get the light of God Realization (Bhagavad Gita), which reminds us of Krishna's mission and purpose.

yes Krishna was responsible because he is responsible for everything, but excluding him - every single person in the MB was the actual reason for Kurukshetra. And by everyone, I mean EVERYONE... including the pandavas too.


Edited by shyam09 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: shyam09

Would it have been possible to avoid the war - most certainly, but Mother Earth's burden would not have been reduced, nor would we get the light of God Realization (Bhagavad Gita), which reminds us of Krishna's mission and purpose.

yes Krishna was responsible because he is responsible for everything, but excluding him - every single person in the MB was the actual reason for Kurukshetra. And by everyone, I mean EVERYONE... including the pandavas too.





very true. this war had to happen because large scale wars are a good way to depopulate earth esp in those times when people lived a healthy 100 years . thats why krishna took avatar and all the kauravas and pandavas were but pawns. the so called peace mission of Krishna is just eyewash!


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Only people, who haven't read the epic carefully, n properly would make such an illogical claim dat Draupadi was responsible.

Many people were responsible for the Kurukshetra war. But the biggest reason was LAND.
It was because of LAND, THRONE N POWER, that Satyavati's father gave such a horrible condition.
It was because of LAND that Dhritarashtra, Duryodhan n Shakuni did such horrible things.
People who think that Bheeshm was wrong too, are partially correct. Although, Bheeshm was probably one of the greatest men in the epic, n the man who made the BIGGEST sacrifice ever,
I guess he didn't realize that righteousness was more important than a promise. Same mistake was made by Karna as well. However, at the same time, it cannot be denied that it was difficult for them to come out of their oaths.
So, many people in their own way contributed to the war.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Although Duryodhan did behave very selfishly, I do not blame him for the war because he was raised to be selfish by his over-indulgent parents and uncle. 😵 Of course, as an adult he was definitely responsible for his actions, but he was not the sole perpetrator. The war happened because of many people, and one of the main ones is DHRITARASTRA, who was the worst king of the Kuru vansh and also a bad father who did not teach his sons any morals.

I do not blame Sayavati's father either, because he was only looking out for his daughter's interest, which any father would do before marrying off to an old man who already has a son. I do not blame Bhishma either, because he was only fulfilling a son's dharma (but I do blame him for not taking physical action against the Kauravas' treachery).

In a way, even Shakuni is not blameworthy, because Dhritarastra allowed him to remain at Hastinapur.

Dhritrastra, and only Dhritarastra is the main culprit.
Edited by ..RamKiJanaki.. - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: warriorbrishti


No reason for draupadi to be blamed for Kurukshetra. I am glad that there are so many people here to agree with me,


I don't understand how Draupadi can be blamed for the war. She was one of the catalysts because of all the injustice done against her, but she was not the reason. In my opinion, the primary cause of the war was Dhritarastra, and only after him everyone else comes.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..

Although Duryodhan did behave very selfishly, I do not blame him for the war because he was raised to be selfish by his over-indulgent parents and uncle. 😵 Of course, as an adult he was definitely responsible for his actions, but he was not the sole perpetrator. The war happened because of many people, and one of the main ones is DHRITARASTRA, who was the worst king of the Kuru vansh and also a bad father who did not teach his sons any morals.

I do not blame Sayavati's father either, because he was only looking out for his daughter's interest, which any father would do before marrying off to an old man who already has a son. I do not blame Bhishma either, because he was only fulfilling a son's dharma (but I do blame him for not taking physical action against the Kauravas' treachery).

In a way, even Shakuni is not blameworthy, because Dhritarastra allowed him to remain at Hastinapur.

Dhritrastra, and only Dhritarastra is the main culprit.


if you cant blame satyavati's father by saying that he was looking out for his daughter (loving one's daughter does not mean that a father gets the right to become selfish and choose wrong over right) then you cant blame dhriti also coz he was also looking out for his son coz he loved him.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Arijit007

nope, draupadi was NOT the reason behind kurukshetra, she was just a catalyst. the real reason was shakuni's traitory and duryodhan's pride.



Actually, just Duryodhan. Shakuni was in fact okay w/ the 2 state solution, but only suggested the dice game b'cos Duryodhan wanted it.

It was all reversible up to the point of Draupadi's insult. From then on, the Kauravas had to face justice, and so their deaths, as well as that of everyone who supported them, had to follow
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: john909


if you cant blame satyavati's father by saying that he was looking out for his daughter (loving one's daughter does not mean that a father gets the right to become selfish and choose wrong over right) then you cant blame dhriti also coz he was also looking out for his son coz he loved him.


There is one difference though. Satyavati's father was not a King. He was a common man, while Dhritarastra was a King. Shastras say that for a King, everyone should be equal. His praja are his children as much as his own are, but Dhritarastra was always biased. Had he been a common man, then his favoritism may have been acceptable or overlooked, but as the King of Hastinapura he had far more responsibility than Satyavati's father did.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..


There is one difference though. Satyavati's father was not a King. He was a common man, while Dhritarastra was a King. Shastras say that for a King, everyone should be equal. His praja are his children as much as his own are, but Dhritarastra was always biased. Had he been a common man, then his favoritism may have been acceptable or overlooked, but as the King of Hastinapura he had far more responsibility than Satyavati's father did.

Exactly. Further, after Pandu's death, he was responsible for his nephews (the Pandavas), but he didn't show any sign of that and tried to murder them on numerous occasions, not to mention give them nothing but injustice at every single step in their life.

He allowed the Vastraharan to happen, but stopped it when it threatened his son. He split up the kingdom, but he gave the crappy lands to the Pandavas (whereas the Pandavas should have gotten Hastinapur because it was their father's capital who was the king. Dhriti was just Pandu's rep). He had the choice and power to stop the dice games, but he didn't do so because he didn't want to lose Duryodhan. He, as king, gave the Pandavas everything back that Dury had won during the first dice game, but he couldn't give back IP after the vanvaas -- for Dury's sake.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: shyam09

Exactly. Further, after Pandu's death, he was responsible for his nephews (the Pandavas), but he didn't show any sign of that and tried to murder them on numerous occasions, not to mention give them nothing but injustice at every single step in their life.

He allowed the Vastraharan to happen, but stopped it when it threatened his son. He split up the kingdom, but he gave the crappy lands to the Pandavas (whereas the Pandavas should have gotten Hastinapur because it was their father's capital who was the king. Dhriti was just Pandu's rep). He had the choice and power to stop the dice games, but he didn't do so because he didn't want to lose Duryodhan. He, as king, gave the Pandavas everything back that Dury had won during the first dice game, but he couldn't give back IP after the vanvaas -- for Dury's sake.



Yes, even if Dhritarastra was not a King, he was still an uncle to the Pandavas. What kind of uncle commits so much injustice on his own nephews? 😕 No one was asking him to love the Pandavas more than the Kauravas, but it was his duty as the elder brother of Pandu to give at least basic love and protection to his fatherless nephews. Satyavati's father was not a King. He did not have hundreds of people under his protection. All he had was his daughter's safety and happiness in mind when he put the condition on Shantanu. Was it a selfish condition? Yes, it was, but as a common man nothing more was expected of him than to look out for his family, but a King's dharma is far greater and more complicated. He should think about the welfare and happiness of everyone in his Kingdom, not just his own children.

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