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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: shindes

Amba's silence during the chariot ride back to Hastinapur is curious. Is it possible that she hoped the valorous Bheeshma would marry them, rather than the inferior Vichitravirya?

There are love stories between the two, 😳 south movies have such story; one possibility might be as you say; even Amba& Ambika are expecting Bhishma during niyoga, instead they're shocked to see Veda vyasa
But I feel Amba must have been too scared to talk at that moment
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Maverick_me

There are love stories between the two, 😳 south movies have such story; one possibility might be as you say; even Amba& Ambika are expecting Bhishma during niyoga, instead they're shocked to see Veda vyasa

But I feel Amba must have been too scared to talk at that moment

oh, I didnt know about love stories woven around them.
But there was time before Shalva- Bhishma battle, when Amba could have voiced herself.
Did she , instead, wait for Shalva to WIN her from Bhishma, as proof of his valor?
As for Satyavati's abrupt and misleading statement about 'await your brother-in-law', yes, plenty of scope for misunderstanding there for the young brides.
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: shindes

oh, I didnt know about love stories woven around them.
But there was time before Shalva- Bhishma battle, when Amba could have voiced herself.
Did she , instead, wait for Shalva to WIN her from Bhishma, as proof of his valor?
As for Satyavati's abrupt and misleading statement about 'await your brother-in-law', yes, plenty of scope for misunderstanding there for the young brides.

Below is Rajaji's translation: Amba was tossed like a football
Probably she did want Salva to win her by defeating Bhishma but It backfired 🤔

Bhishma's wrath flamed up. He challenged the assembled princes to a trial of their manhood and defeated them all.

And taking the three princesses in his chariot he set out for Hastinapura.

But before he had gone far, Salva, the king of the Saubala country who was attached to Amba, intercepted and opposed him. For that princess had mentally chosen Salva as her husband.

After a bitter fight Salva was worsted, and no wonder, as Bhishma was a peerless bowman. But at the request of the princesses Bhishma spared his life.

Arriving in Hastinapura with the princesses, Bhishma made preparations for their marriage to Vichitravirya. When all were assembled for the marriage, Amba smiled mockingly at Bhishma and addressed him as follows: "O son of Ganga, you are aware of what is enjoined in the scriptures. I have mentally chosen Salva, the king of Saubala, as my husband. You have brought me here by force. Knowing this, do what you, learned in the scriptures, should do."

Bhishma admitted the force of her objection and sent her to Salva with proper escort. The marriage of Ambika and Ambalika, the two younger sisters, with Vichitravirya was duly solemnised.

Amba went rejoicing to Salva and told him what had happened: "I have mentally chosen you as my husband from the very start. Bhishma has sent me to you. Marry me according to the sastras."

Salva replied: "Bhishma defeated me in sight of all, and carried you away. I have been disgraced. So, I cannot receive you now as my wife. Return to him and do as he commands." With these words Salva sent her back to Bhishma.

She returned to Hastinapura and told Bhishma of what had taken place. The grandsire tried to induce Vichitravirya to marry her. But Vichitravirya roundly refused to marry a maiden whose heart had already been given to another.

Amba then turned to Bhishma and she sought him to marry her himself as there was no other recourse. It was impossible for Bhishma to break his vow, sorry as he was for Amba. And after some vain attempts to make Vichitravirya change his mind, he told her there was no way left to her but to go again to Salva and seek to persuade him.

This at first she was too proud to do, and for long years she abode in Hastinapura.

Finally, in sheer desperation, she went to Salva and found him adamant in refusal.

The lotus-eyed Amba spent six bitter years in sorrow and baffled hope. And her heart was seared with suffering and all the sweetness in her turned to gall and fierce hatred towards Bhishma as the cause of her blighted life.

She sought in vain for a champion among the princes to fight and kill Bhishma and thus avenge her wrongs but even the foremost warriors were afraid of Bhishma and paid no heed to her appeal.

and Satyavati , oh well she was too eager to have an heir so she did every possible thing to get her DILs agree
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Posted: 10 years ago

Finally, in sheer desperation, she went to Salva and found him adamant in refusal.

The lotus-eyed Amba spent six bitter years in sorrow and baffled hope. And her heart was seared with suffering and all the sweetness in her turned to gall and fierce hatred towards Bhishma as the cause of her blighted life.

She sought in vain for a champion among the princes to fight and kill Bhishma and thus avenge her wrongs but even the foremost warriors were afraid of Bhishma and paid no heed to her appeal.

and Satyavati , oh well she was too eager to have an heir so she did every possible thing to get her DILs agree
It seems Shalva's pride was pierced more than his skin. It is his public defeat against Bhishma that must rankle on in his mind.
Otherwise, a less egoistic person would have appreciated the fact that Bhishma sent Amba back with full honor.
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: shindes

Finally, in sheer desperation, she went to Salva and found him adamant in refusal.

The lotus-eyed Amba spent six bitter years in sorrow and baffled hope. And her heart was seared with suffering and all the sweetness in her turned to gall and fierce hatred towards Bhishma as the cause of her blighted life.

She sought in vain for a champion among the princes to fight and kill Bhishma and thus avenge her wrongs but even the foremost warriors were afraid of Bhishma and paid no heed to her appeal.

and Satyavati , oh well she was too eager to have an heir so she did every possible thing to get her DILs agree

It seems Shalva's pride was pierced more than his skin. It is his public defeat against Bhishma that must rankle on in his mind.
Otherwise, a less egoistic person would have appreciated the fact that Bhishma sent Amba back with full honor.
All 3 are at fault according to me.
Yes, that was the case with Salva , his reaction, so typical
Bhishma was at fault too, he does it out of false pride, for the sake of his good for nothing brother!
One would understand if he carried away the brides for himself.
Amba's policy was wait and watch ? 😕
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Posted: 10 years ago
All 3 are at fault according to me.
Yes, that was the case with Salva , his reaction, so typical
Bhishma was at fault too, he does it out of false pride, for the sake of his good for nothing brother!
One would understand if he carried away the brides for himself.
Amba's policy was wait and watch ? 😕
Bhishma was in Catch - 22 situation. If he broke his vow or broke Amba's heart; either way society would chastise him. Must be quite a dilemma.
Maybe he should have told Vichitravirya to win his own brides, instead of relying on Bhishma.
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Posted: 10 years ago

Bhishma was in Catch - 22 situation. If he broke his vow or broke Amba's heart; either way society would chastise him. Must be quite a dilemma.
Maybe he should have told Vichitravirya to win his own brides, instead of relying on Bhishma.


Or he could have decided a human life was worth more than society's approval. Ultimately, the same false sense of honor, which was nothing more than society's acceptance, was what led to the assault on Draupadi too
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: AnuMP


Or he could have decided a human life was worth more than society's approval. Ultimately, the same false sense of honor, which was nothing more than society's acceptance, was what led to the assault on Draupadi too

In retrospect, yes. Decisions are always easy in hindsight. Bhishma could have gone for option 1 or 2.
Maybe, as someone suggested, he was paying back Satyavati for her father's pre-condition. She did try to convince him to retract his vow.
But you are right, Bhishma did prioritize his vow over anything else.
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: AnuMP


Or he could have decided a human life was worth more than society's approval. Ultimately, the same false sense of honor, which was nothing more than society's acceptance, was what led to the assault on Draupadi too


Even in today's society, the same is the case. Pride seems to triumph over human life. I'm assuming, sense of Pride and societal approval were more rigid then - or was it?
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Posted: 10 years ago
and one more.. I dont see anywhere that Vichitravirya says why he would not marry Amba along with his sisters.. if his reasoning was that Amba was 'impure' that can be Bheeshma's reason as well over and above that he was celibate.. may be he was just trying to be kind by not mentioning it.. and this indirect taunt was what made Amba so arrogant..

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