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Posted: 11 years ago
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@Rehanism - Completely agree with you, especially regarding the characterization...here are some awesome examples.

Arjun - "Hriday ka ati-komal", so show him shedding tears to the maximum possible extent. Being sensitive to emotions of others is one thing, but lagta hai ki Kurukshetra mein ye mahashay daily royega. And, amongst the Pandavas, isn't "SAHDEV" supposed to be the one who shares a special bond with Kunti? Just because Arjun is called Parth (son of Pritha), it doesn't mean that you show mainly him hugging and bonding with her and feeding her, and the others are standing or sitting around like mannequins...
By the way, he shares a bromance with his arch-enemy and greatest rival, didn't you know that? He even approves of his future wife 😆

Bhishma - When did he become so much pro-Pandava?
At best, he is nothing more than a Pandava sympathizer. But his sworn allegiance to HP and the throne is what prevented him from taking a proper stand against Dhrit, and therefore, he used to keep quiet when he was supposed to speak up.
Starbharat's Bhishma openly stages a coup against the king, he is the 2nd biggest dharmatma of the story (after Yudi), is mainly responsible for Yudi getting throne and the Pandavas NOT getting arrested 😳, but CVs suddenly remembered that Bhishma also stays silent during the vastraharan. So, make him take an extra (fictional) oath that he will forever be a yes-man to Dhrit and the Kauravas, so that the Pandavas get Khandavprasth.
Now, in Kurukshetra, Parth can conveniently sideline the "family" argument, and instead, tell Madhav,"So what if Pitamah is on the Kaurav side, we got our kingdom due to him, and even he himself had to make such a huge sacrifice from his own end. So, how can you expect me to attack him??"

Draupadi - Confused and inconsistent characterization - friends with daas putris and daasis, but flashes out the "caste" card during the swayamwar. Guess who her daasi and "sakhi" is? None other than the future wife of said person who got rejected by her in the swayamwar due to the "caste" clause. Protests her vibhaajan, but then states,"This is my bhaagya".
Why are CVs emphasizing so much on the "innocence" of Draupadi? She was NEVER an "innocent" person. And what about her characteristic "pride"?? There is practically NOTHING about her character which states,"I am PROUD to be the wife of the Pandavas". She did have her "pride" moment during her fictional rajyasabha apmaan, but that was just about it. Nothing beyond that. Someone needs to teach her "sarcasm".
Her temper outbursts (or tantrums) are awesomely irritating to watch - THAT is Starbharat's version of Drau lashing out at her hubbies. Her hubbies calming her down is even funnier to watch. And her anti-war stance is simply epic. Her "excessive" pro-active nature is disconcerting as well - what will happen during the vastraharan...how will she yield so easily to Dushasan, and allow him to touch her??

Karna - Who is this guy anyway?? Walking out on his BFF Duryodhan? Shedding tears for the Pandavas? Quitting post of Angaraj? Bromance with Arjun, buddies-buddies with the Pandavas...someone help me here. Again, inconsistent and confused characterization.
Instead of Yuyutsu, you could actually have Karna abandoning his BFF, and joining the Pandava side in the Kurukshetra war.

On a side-note - Anyone else finding it a bit weird that there are doubts being expressed all round (the praja as well as amongst the Pandavas themselves) as to whether a kingdom can be setup at all at Khandavprasth??

Okay, the praja expressing concern is one thing, they have every right to ask questions from their Maharaj. But didn't Kunti give strict instructions to the family not to argue with Yudi, and obey his instructions?? This might be the CVs twist of "modernity" just to show that the family is NOT subservient to Yudi, but it is completely OOC behaviour for Dwapar Yug (especially when the jesht bhrata also happens to be the Maharaj as well). Within the family itself, at the most, Drau & Bhim could express concerns (being the ones who question him the most), but Nakul questioning Yudi?!?
Edited by shani88 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Shyam09/Spatel

I love your idea of attaching flying devenomized snakes to one's feet & flying. And yeah why couldn't the snakes just spit out their arrows, so that instead of all the other Pandavas, as well as Draupadi fighting them, our one & only GanDeevdhaaarrreee Arjuna could have gone ahead and done it w/ his arrows alone?

Shani88

I too have been thinking - come the war time, when Yudisthir announces that people are free to switch sides if they don't think they're fighting for dharam, have Bheeshma, Karna, Shalya & Yuyutsu switch over to the Pandava side. Following that, have Shikhandini switch over to the Kaurava side - or else, how will she cause Bheeshma's death? Bheeshma & Karna can join the Pandavas telling them that he won't kill Duryodhan, and the Pandavas would be fine w/ that, since Bhima has sworn to kill him anyway. 😆

One correction - looking @ it again, Vrushali was not her daasi. She was a daughter of someone who's accompanying the Pandavas, and being a girl, was walking next to the queen's palanquin. Draupadi, amazingly, didn't get offended by her statement saying that all kings are alike. The real Draupadi would have hissed @ anyone daring to make such a comment about any of her hubbies. Particularly given her hatred of sutas.


Oh, and one more thing that has really been pissing me off - Draupadi constantly invoking Mr Surya Narayan
  • What are they trying to do - show her as insulting Suryadev's son, then appealing to Suryadev & getting his support in the swayamvara
  • Suryadev obliges her again over Bheeshma, when she visits Hastinapur beach to explain things to him
  • The Pandavas are Chandra vansh - they were not sun worshippers. The only Sun worshippers in the land would have been Brihadbala - descendant of Rama - and Karna, who was never recognized either as a Bhoja nor as a Pandava
  • So essentially, Mr Surya Narayan is being constantly blackmailed by Draupadi into opposing his son
Edited by .Vrish. - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#83

Originally posted by: Rehanism

<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">Personally I no longer feel any connection with the show. It simply isn't Mahabharat, because they have failed to build the characters or give a direction to the story. The thing that made the *previous* Mahabharat the biggest show of Indian Television was its awesome characterization and the fact that almost every actor looked as though they were born to play the role. The scene where Karna vents out his anger at God after getting to know of his birth was so intense that it equaled or even paled Amitabh Bachhan's 'Aj khush toh bohot honge tum..'. Here Karna is a pussy, crying and sulking and walking out on Duryodhan all the time. He's the most confused and directionless character; perhaps the CVs have still not decided which side to put him - they might well make him join Pandavas in near future. Neither does he have any special friendship with Duryodhan (nor any hint of rivalry with Pandavas) nor does his heart lie with Kauravas. Krishna is so fake and his dialogues are so banal (I have normally been fast forwarding all his scenes right from the beginning). Bhishma, Arjun, Draupadi - all of them are out of character. From a charioteer to a king, everyone lectures on Dharma-Adharma all the time and either you have perfectly humble and righteous good guys or you have evil heartless bad guys. Duryodhan's insecurities or his emotional bond with Karna has so far been ignored. Arjun, Karna and Draupadi lack vigour, pride and arrogance that is characteristic of blue blood. In other words, the characters are strictly one-dimensional. There's no grey or challenging character that one can relate to or be forced to ponder upon. Above all the script is directionless and weeks after weeks are being wasted with useless events. </font>

<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">Overall its an epic fail. If its ever remembered, that will be only as one more lesson why no one should try to remake Mahabharat.</font>




There is only black or white characters


Shades are not portrayed


Cvs want to see it from their pov

Just follow scripture for godsake

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Posted: 11 years ago
#84
Draupadi fought the snakes? Then I'm pretty sure that Starbharat's Draupadi won't need Bhima to fulfil her vow. 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
#85

Originally posted by: shyam09

today's episode was beyond sad ... I can't even classify it as a joke or even stupid or dumb or lame or foolish or crappy or painful or ... you get the point...


1. We have Draupadi lecturing the Pandavas about why they shouldn't go to war ... I refuse to comment

This in particular is a scene to laugh at since in the future she will be speaking the exact opposite of this. But only we know what she will say, she doesnt.🤔 How messed up is that?

2. We have Arjun running 100s of miles to get to his frickin' bow, whereas the other Pandavas just grabbed their weapons from their chariots!! Ship! Was there no parking near the front? Oh wait, it's an empty desert ... how can there not be parking!!

That was just

3. We saw the pre-postMahabharat with everyone walking around the dead bodies and feeling sad ... really CVs .. really. Oh my goodness ... how will the Pandavas justify the war if wifey got upset

3a. ok I have to ask -- how did Yuddhi know that these people weren't dead? He coolly tells Draupadi "babes, there's nothing to cry about. This is all maya. They will recover when the snakes that bit them takes back the poison" (not sure if that's an exact translation or if it is supposed to mean any snake... but if it is the former case - what if they killed the snake that bit a person?)

What i couldn't understand was that why didnt Yudhi gave them a lesson on "Khandavprastha Naags 101" before walking them right into the mouth of venomous danger? Didnt Bhishma went there before the Pandavas came back to HP? You would think that more warning would be given to them if the snake population was intolerant and ever ready to go on a bite fest.

4. Draupadi freaks out over the death of innocent ... well it's official .. the mahabharata war wasn't fought for Draupadi ... heck I don't even know what role Draupadi is supposed to be playing in the overall serial!!

Probably because it was her "Praja" and no one of them had tried to touch her hair or Saree ka Pallu. The only thing i saw was the new Design of the Chudamani on her head. I was literally freaking about that.

I just saw the new Promo, which is not new but actually the old one. "TUMNE DRAUPADI KI VIVASHTA DEKHI HAI. AB MAI TUMHARA VIDWANSA DEKHUNGI"
Its the whole thing, only in the end they add, " Ab Shuru Hoga Wo Adhyaye Jisne Mahabharat ko Kurukshetra tak Pohocha Diya"


5. Takshak? I saw Kaliya Naag ... 😆 Only difference is that this isn't the Yamuna, this isn't Vrindavan, and there isn't supposed to be a Takshak!!!

6. All it took was one arrow from Arjun to make Takshak bleed like crazy ... why didn't he just fire 5 arrows ... one for each head and be done with it...


Word! Didnt he shoot five arrows to drop them at the feet of his elders in the Rangbhoomi?🤔
I guess those kind of arrows are specifically made for doing Air Pranipaaths. Probably not mayavi like the one she shoot at Takshak, because it exploded like a bomb at Takshaks Neck.
Those kind of arrows can not be appropriate for shooting respect at your elders feet.


7. Bhim consoling Draupadi was funny. I would have been like "SHUT UP and STOP CRYING" .. ok maybe I wouldn't say those words since it's Pooja and all🤪 ... oh leave me alone...

OH!😳😳


8. Vrushali holding the snake was funny. wait ... how did she even catch it .. why not just put it on the ground and stomp on it ... or was that too hard...

Showing her jumping from such a height was sooo stupid. There water was so still beneath her though. How will she float away to HP to her Sasur? She should be dead after jumping from that height.

9. The precap obviously shows Arjun taking on his father Indra.. so what changes between now and MB war... is it because Arjun has more a relationship with Bhishma, Drona, Dury, etc. that he doesn't want to fight?

But he did fight with Indra in the Khandavanahan Parva. I think he knew that he was fighting with his Father.🤔 Dont know what to think about this.

10. This is another precap question: We see Arjun shooting an arrow at a mountain or large stone or something and he manages to break it into smaller pieces, but it still crushes him (Here is where Draupadi screams "Arya") ... ok ... we saw a similar thing happening when Arjun entered the Rangbhoomi ... except that time he was unaware of what was going to happen ... and as quick as lightening he built a canopy of arrows over his head. So I just don't understand what the chips is going on!!!

Sigh ... CVs are distorting their own story now... can it get any worse?

11. Before I forget - we see flying snakes... so why not just spew the venom ... why do them have to bite ... why not just spew the saliva (think salivary glands). Speaking of which ... if snakes can fly... why not capture a bunch of snakes, de-venomize them, and strap them on to your feet and have them take you places ... a personal jetpack!! (idea patented by Shyam09)

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Rehanism

Personally I no longer feel any connection with the show. It simply isn't Mahabharat, because they have failed to build the characters or give a direction to the story. The thing that made the *previous* Mahabharat the biggest show of Indian Television was its awesome characterization and the fact that almost every actor looked as though they were born to play the role. The scene where Karna vents out his anger at God after getting to know of his birth was so intense that it equaled or even paled Amitabh Bachhan's 'Aj khush toh bohot honge tum..'. Here Karna is a pussy, crying and sulking and walking out on Duryodhan all the time. He's the most confused and directionless character; perhaps the CVs have still not decided which side to put him - they might well make him join Pandavas in near future. Neither does he have any special friendship with Duryodhan (nor any hint of rivalry with Pandavas) nor does his heart lie with Kauravas. Krishna is so fake and his dialogues are so banal (I have normally been fast forwarding all his scenes right from the beginning). Bhishma, Arjun, Draupadi - all of them are out of character. From a charioteer to a king, everyone lectures on Dharma-Adharma all the time and either you have perfectly humble and righteous good guys or you have evil heartless bad guys. Duryodhan's insecurities or his emotional bond with Karna has so far been ignored. Arjun, Karna and Draupadi lack vigour, pride and arrogance that is characteristic of blue blood. In other words, the characters are strictly one-dimensional. There's no grey or challenging character that one can relate to or be forced to ponder upon. Above all the script is directionless and weeks after weeks are being wasted with useless events.

Overall its an epic fail. If its ever remembered, that will be only as one more lesson why no one should try to remake Mahabharat.



Bold - that was true about BRC as well - everybody from the Lakshagriha miners to Vidura's wife to Bheeshma were on an unending bhashan marathon. That was what was so insufferable about that epic.

Anjuna's real character is the exact antithesis of what modern viewers admire in their leads. They admire someone laid back, calm and capable of taking setbacks well. None of that was true about Arjuna. He was highly impetuous, easily provoked and given to making rash vows. The fictional scene where he was about to stab Karna for suggesting that he take up dancing in addition to music was more characteristic of the real Arjun than the one who just smiled @ Karna in the presence of his mother & told Karna that he'd remind him of his vow.

Draupadi - I know it's not too PC to discuss that around here, but the fact is that she absolutely hated Sutas, probably even more than Shudras. Yeah, she was enraged @ Dushashan for dragging her into the court, but even more than that, she hated Karna b'cos despite being a Suta, instead of grovelling b4 her, he suggested that she be stripped. When Keechak kicked her in open court, she complained to Bhima that she couldn't bear being kicked by a suta. If 2 people committed a similar crime against Draupadi, one of them being a Suta, Draupadi would hold more of a grudge against the Suta than against the other. Like w/ Ashwatthama, she was content w/ just the gem on his forehead.

Here, she befriends Malini & Vrushali. Why?

Bheeshma - if only the real character was anything like the one in this epic, Krishna wouldn't have decided to rid the world of all its rulers. Had Bheeshma really been like this, he'd have forcibly removed Dhritarashtra in a palace coup, had Shakuni executed, made Yudisthir the king and given Bhima carte blanche to kill all of Gandhari's sons. Good thing in such a situation - Yudisthir might have been able to rein him in after he became king & stop him from bullying other kings into handing over their princesses
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Posted: 11 years ago
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The only similarity between Bheeshma and StarBheeshma is the name. They made a complete mockery of him..that's why I've quit! Maybe I'm a bit late in quitting...but better late than never!
Edited by -Shruti - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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the big question is - do the CVs actually come here to see these posts? and if so they have thick skulls and if not we should send them the links of these threads!!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Intrepida

the big question is - do the CVs actually come here to see these posts? and if so they have thick skulls and if not we should send them the links of these threads!!!

Well according to Devdutt - that mythological historian / author person, they don't bother listening to him either ... so either he is crazy or CVs are crazy or both are crazy. My point is - CVs don't have time to listen to us intelligent folks. 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Actually, after reading the perspectives thread about the other version, I am coming around to this serial. I think they're taking bits & pieces from everywhere - from Indonesian versions, they took Vrushali's name from Mrityunjaya, they'll take something from Yagnaseni, something else from Palace of Illusions and so on. So we'll get a blended Mahabharata.

Yeah, it's a legit question of whether such a khichri is preferable to Vyasa, but Vyasa too has a lot of internal contradictions which, if examined closely, throw doubts on it. And if one looks @ differences b/w Vyasa's different works such as Mahabharata vs Shrimad Bhagvatam, contradictions are even more glaring. Such as what did Kunti do after the Pandavas won the war?

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