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Rehanism

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Posted: 11 years ago

#771

One question that strikes me is if people like Vyasa, Bhishma, Vidura etc knew about Karna's birth why didn't they reveal it earlier (much before the situation worsened to the point of war). Krishna being a Machiavellian politician may have only wanted to psychologically weaken Karna with the truth at the last moment. But people like Bhishma and Vidura were genuine opponents of war since the very beginning. Revealing Karna's truth would have been the best way of ending the conflict as Karna was Duryodhan's best bet for the war and even if Karna had chosen to be the second Bhishma, i.e. remained a loyal regent to Duryodhan instead of being the king himself, he would have atleast never goaded Duryodhan for the war and perhaps he may have seen to it that the dice game and Draupadi's molestation be entirely avoided. Furthermore, Kunti seemed to be really selfish when she finally decided to reveal the truth as it was quite apparent that her only motive was to save the necks of her 5 younger sons. If she truly wanted Karna to live and get his dues as the eldest Pandava, shouldn't she have first spoken to her younger sons who were not bound by any oath of fidelity to anyone? Instead she behaved identical to Indra and approached Karna when he couldn't refuse anyone.

Personally, I find the war to be entirely meaningless and avoidable, and those who truly didn't want it to happen had enough options to stop it, the best being Karna's secret. The war, as I see, was a product of personal vendetta and it served no greater good. It was no 'Righteous war', as its claimed to be, as the end product was only genocide, famine and revenge-murders and there's no evidence that ordinary people suffered during Duryodhan's reign making his overthrow imminent. In fact he was a just and admired ruler, which is why he ascended to heaven directly.

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BLR_babe

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Posted: 11 years ago

#772

today's episode was abt revelations and hidden agendas

scene between duryo and karna was nicely shot .. famous friendship has started .. karna will ever be grateful to duryo .. duryo perfectly played his card in making friend of a powerful warrior ..

Kunti learned the identity of her long given up son .. a son whom will never be honored with his lineage in public

and karn became a king ..

next few epi will focus on interpersonal relations i guess ..

Edited by BlrBabe - 11 years ago

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daenerysnow

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Posted: 11 years ago

#773

Doubtlessly the need to dramatise an entry is natural as indeed they were extraordinary beings from a entirely different age even superhuman we might argue, but should that be reason alone for propelling such comic style entries when in entering they could have simply walked in, stunned everyone with their name alone before showcasing their extraordinary skills, wouldn't that have been indication of how advanced they were while on the outside they betrayed nothing of their extraordinaryness. But my rant is more to do with just the overwhelming need of direction to accentuate emotion via whatever means. I foynd Kunti previous scene ridiculous and cheesy, sure she was brimming with pride seeing her sons but to the extent that Arjuna had to catch her tear?
And the crowd scene was again contrived you can tell they were attempting to provoke more than necessary. As it is Karna already induces our sympathy withoyt the crowd having to point us that way.
Aside these flaws, I do enjoy the show, there are some brilliant actors there. Duryodhana fits his role well, by comparison to br cjopra this duryodhan is relatively calmer, more sly than irritable infact Dhritarashtra was the more arrogant when he was young, peter brooks Duryodhan was fantastic, he was not so angry on the surface.but concealed a lot in his constant restlessness
I quite look forward to Duryodhan scenes with Shakuni n Karna n Bheema. Where is Dushashan, you'd have thought the rest of the kaurav clan would have been introduced by now
N yes Gandhari is so beautiful

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koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 11 years ago

#774

Guys these r my views on Yudhishtir's curse and his right to curse his mother for that matter which led to many interesting viewpoints on this thread .

I fault Yudhishtir for cursing womankind not his mother in a way that would hurt her .

For though a woman threw a baby in the river to protect her reputation it was a woman who brought him up as her very own ...Radha .

What Kunti should have got was a real curse . A curse that affected her .

This was a namby pamby curse that did nothing to her .

Parshuram's curse affected Karna , Gandhari's curse affected Krishna as Yadavas were destroyed in front of his eyes .

This curse did nothing to Kunti as such .

For throwing a defenceless baby in a basket down a river ...in those days nature was unpolluted and pure ...snakes , crocodiles were in the river , currents were life threatening . The chances that the baby would die were 90% , the chances that it would live were 10%.. She took a chance that the baby would DIE quietly and HER reputation would be safeguarded .

Forget rights to curse a mother coz mother pardons a hundred sins etc ... if t even that namby pamby curse would not have been uttered she would have gone scot free without a blemish on her carefully preserved character . Though that curse did nothing to her at least she was pulled up for her acts .

There is no perfect character in the Mahabharat who was fit to utter a curse ...what i see is not Yudi's right to do it but the fact that she was at least made accountable for truly she deserved more . Much more . Karna got a curse for lying ...why was the lie uttered ? For the thirst of knowledge . What a pure goal .

Well , she attempted or risked the hatya of a defenceless baby .

Where Yudi went wrong was cursing all women for his own mother's karma .

Not only did she risk the baby's potential death but also made the brothers take a brother's life which was a sin they incurred . Hence Yudi's aghast frustration .

In the Ramayan , after killing Ravan , Ram had to do a shuddhi pooja which is a penance for killing a Brahmin ...Brahma hatya .

The Pandavas suffered the sin of doing Bhratru hatya due to her silence .

Still she did not suffer and neither has that curse worked on woman kind . Maybe coz that curse lacked real substance . Gandhari and Parshuram's curses came true as their feeling was intense and in direct proportion to their tapas .

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Suvika.

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Posted: 11 years ago

#775

@koolsadhu..I agree...

But in last night's episode Kunti disclosed Karna's birth to Priyamvada. Is that what happened? Because as far as I knew she didn't tell anyone which was the main reason for Yudhister's helpless fury.

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koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 11 years ago

#776

no , its all rubbish .😆the chracter of Priyamvada didn't exist .😆

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sravanthi vangala

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Posted: 11 years ago

#777

it looks like to make +ve characters mahan the are adding things and to make grey characters-ve they are adding things and to make -ve characters maha -ve they are adding things in short they are just adding things.

It should have been named mere apani kahani MahabharthKi...Mahabharth......

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lazysaur

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Posted: 11 years ago

#778

found out that duryodhan did said bad about pandavas

Duryodhana interrupted.O, son of Vayu, look at Karna. A talented warrior like Karna, will never be born in an inferior caste. You know Bheema, the birth secrets of warriors, heavenly bodies, and rivers are unquestionable? The great weapon of Devendra, Vajraayudha, was born out of the spine of Saint Dadheechi. Kumara swamy, The son of Lord Siva, was born in green grass bush. What about your Guru Krupaacarya? How was he born? Was not Drona born from a pot? You know, all the present Kshatriyas were born only through Brahmins, (When Parasurama perished the entire Kshatriyacommunity). Tell me, how were you and your brothers born? Therefore, there is no need here to discuss about births. Karna is the King of Anga . That is all. He is a king.DeclaredDuryodhana.

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Suvika.

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Posted: 11 years ago

#779

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000
no , its all rubbish .😆the chracter of Priyamvada didn't exist .😆

😆 thought so...

and how come the winner of the contest was not formally announced in last night's episode?? Was it a tie or was Dritarashtr so angered about Arjuna being the winner that he refused to announce the name? I am not talking about what actually happened. Just what they showed in SP last night.

And I did not like the way they showed the beginning of friendship between Karn and Duryodhan. It was not a completely calculated move on Duryodhan's part. It was not like Shakuni signalling him to take advantage of the situation. As far as I know, Duryodhan genuinely offered his hand in friendship.

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Vrish

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Posted: 11 years ago

#780

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000
Guys these r my views on Yudhishtir's curse and his right to curse his mother for that matter which led to many interesting viewpoints on this thread .

I fault Yudhishtir for cursing womankind not his mother in a way that would hurt her .

For though a woman threw a baby in the river to protect her reputation it was a woman who brought him up as her very own ...Radha .

What Kunti should have got was a real curse . A curse that affected her .

This was a namby pamby curse that did nothing to her .

Parshuram's curse affected Karna , Gandhari's curse affected Krishna as Yadavas were destroyed in front of his eyes .

This curse did nothing to Kunti as such .

For throwing a defenceless baby in a basket down a river ...in those days nature was unpolluted and pure ...snakes , crocodiles were in the river , currents were life threatening . The chances that the baby would die were 90% , the chances that it would live were 10%.. She took a chance that the baby would DIE quietly and HER reputation would be safeguarded .

Forget rights to curse a mother coz mother pardons a hundred sins etc ... if t even that namby pamby curse would not have been uttered she would have gone scot free without a blemish on her carefully preserved character . Though that curse did nothing to her at least she was pulled up for her acts .

There is no perfect character in the Mahabharat who was fit to utter a curse ...what i see is not Yudi's right to do it but the fact that she was at least made accountable for truly she deserved more . Much more . Karna got a curse for lying ...why was the lie uttered ? For the thirst of knowledge . What a pure goal .

Well , she attempted or risked the hatya of a defenceless baby .

Where Yudi went wrong was cursing all women for his own mother's karma .

Not only did she risk the baby's potential death but also made the brothers take a brother's life which was a sin they incurred . Hence Yudi's aghast frustration .

In the Ramayan , after killing Ravan , Ram had to do a shuddhi pooja which is a penance for killing a Brahmin ...Brahma hatya .

The Pandavas suffered the sin of doing Bhratru hatya due to her silence .

Still she did not suffer and neither has that curse worked on woman kind . Maybe coz that curse lacked real substance . Gandhari and Parshuram's curses came true as their feeling was intense and in direct proportion to their tapas .

I totally agree w/ this. I think the reason Yudisthir did what he did was that a son was incapable of cursing his mother, no matter what. And I don't justify that curse.

But I think Kunti should have been punished. Like put into solitary indoor confinement for the rest of her life. Give her all the luxuries, but deny her any contact w/ people, except people who could serve her things like her food, clothes & so on. Deny her the right to go outdoors & see the sun, since it was w/ Surya-dev that this crime occurred - she got a son from him, and then, throughout her life, by doing injustice to Karna, she did an injustice to Surya as well.

She should definitely not have been allowed to accompany Dhritarashtra & Gandhari to the forests after 15 years. She should have been kept captive in Hastinapur or Indraprastha for the balance of her life.

It's not merely her throwing that baby into the basket - that is forgiveable, since Karna was salvaged. The crime was suppressing that info from everybody, including the people who could have helped her. Kunti had ample opportunities to do this. The night after the tournament, she could have summoned the Pandavas, or even just Yudisthir, and told them/him everything. Or, when the Pandavas had escaped from Ekachakra, all she had was them, and she could have told them everything that she told them after the war.

Had she done that, so many of her own grandchildren would have been saved. Vrishasena, Chitrasena, Susena, et al were all her grandsons, and all were killed by Nakul, Arjun, Bhima. All of them could have been saved had Kunti fessed. Similarly, Ghatotkacha too would have lived, and Karna at least wouldn't have been around to kill Abhimanyu. It's really this that I hold against her. Another thing - she's always shown alongside Gandhari like nothing is wrong b/w them, even while people are fighting & dying for their respective sons' rights to rule.

Even more likely - w/o Karna by his side, Duryodhan would probably have not have dared go to war, since Arjun & Karna both on the Pandava side would have been too intimidating. That whole war would have been avoided.

Thanks to Kunti, several innocent characters died, while Kunti walked scot free. In my book, she's one of the vilest characters in mythology.