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varaali

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Posted: 11 years ago

#81

Originally posted by: .Vrish.
Devrata (as he was known then) was worried about the kingdom being ignored as a result of his father's obsession, and so did what he could to resolve that.
The other question - how could Shantanu grant a boon of ichcha-mrityu, where Bheeshma could only die when he wanted to?

I think Shantanu himself mentions it while giving the boon to Bhishma. He says that after Ganga left him he has been a total celibate, observing all the brahmacharya rules and due to that he got the power to grant boons to others.

But while this may have been the popular story, what is more likely to have happened is that it was Bhishma's celibacy itself which made him immune to death.

It is often mentioned in Yoga texts, that the power of sexual desire (which is said to flow downwards in the body) can be channelized upwards to hasten and assist spiritual progress. It is said that when sexual energy is transformed into spiritual energy, the body gets positively charged.

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varaali

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Posted: 11 years ago

#82

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

The other case - Dhrishtadyumna. His father obtained him in the yagna b'cos he wanted a son who'd kill Drona, but Dhrishtadyumna never won a battle against Drona. In fact, in the war, he was constantly defeated by Drona, Ashwatthama and Kripacharya. So what was the point in the gods giving him to Drupad via that yagna? In fact, how was he even the best warrior to command the Pandava army? Since it wasn't gonna be Arjun, it should have gone to Satyaki, who after Arjun & Bhima, was the most effective warrior in the Pandava army.

I remember reading about this too,somewhere.

Drupada had not accrued enough much spiritual merit that he could command the gods to give him what he wanted. He was not in the same league as Vaishtha, Vishwamitra or Agastya.

Drupada's yagna only gave him a second best option- a son who would be the cause of Drona's death.

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varaali

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Posted: 11 years ago

#83

Originally posted by: AurTu
If you don't mind will you please explain the incident where Bheeshma came to know about this?

I don't think it is mentioned explicitly anywhere how and under what circumstances Bhishma came to know about Kunti's secret, but it most likely that after Kunti's marriage to Pandu, he may have made discreet inquiries about her past. After all, she was now the wife of the king of the most powerful kingdom in Aryavarta, and Bhishma would not have had the chance to check her background (which he would have done in case it had been an arranged alliance)

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AurTu

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Posted: 11 years ago

#84

Originally posted by: varaali

I don't think it is mentioned explicitly anywhere how and under what circumstances Bhishma came to know about Kunti's secret, but it most likely that after Kunti's marriage to Pandu, he may have made discreet inquiries about her past. After all, she was now the wife of the king of the most powerful kingdom in Aryavarta, and Bhishma would not have had the chance to check her background (which he would have done in case it had been an arranged alliance)

Thanks for the explanation Mahabharat is a vast epic it has many versions...the version which I read said that Bheeshma has never known the truth of Karna...

And can you tell me why Draupadi was known as one among the Panch kanya?

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varaali

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Posted: 11 years ago

#85

Originally posted by: AurTu
Thanks for the explanation Mahabharat is a vast epic it has many versions...the version which I read said that Bheeshma has never known the truth of Karna...
And can you tell me why Draupadi was known as one among the Panch kanya?

The Pancha Kanyas (if you include Kunti, in place of Sita) are those women who are regarded to be chaste, even though they may have had relations with men other than their husbands.

Draupadi was forced into a polyndrous marriage when the society (at that time) swore by one-man for- one- woman and yet remained equally loyal to all of them (if you ignore Yudhishthira's dastardly accusation on her when she fell down during their swargarohan)

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AurTu

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Posted: 11 years ago

#86

The Pancha Kanyas (if you include Kunti, in place of Sita) are those women who are regarded to be chaste, even though they may have had relations with men other than their husbands.

Draupadi was forced into a polyndrous marriage when the society (at that time) swore by one-man for- one- woman and yet remained equally loyal to all of them (if you ignore Yudhishthira's dastardly accusation on her when she fell down during their swargarohan)

Thanks once again😳

@red : But in Draupadi's case all 5 were her husband na?😕

@blue :If we consider she was loyal to all five then why do you think she was the first one to fall during the swargarohan?

I have one more doubt...I read in one of the articles that Draupadi had souls of 5 women inside her and whenever she united with any one of the Pandavas (Kunti putras) her one of the 3 soul united with them others remaining pure but the 4th unted with both Nakula Aur Sahadeva hence leaving the 5th one untouched...Is it true I mean does any scripture supports this?

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varaali

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Posted: 11 years ago

#87

Actually what I wanted to say was- it was unthinkable for a woman to have more than one husband. So Draupadi having five would naturally have raised eyebrows and made her subject of derogatory remarks.

So perhaps this sloka wants to emphasize her chastity despite having 5 husbands. Anyway, this is my conjecture. Alternate views most welcome.

If she was indeed guilty of favouring Arjuna over the others (it may have been Yudhishthira's sense of inferiority which made him come to such a conclusion), there is no reason why she should be the first to fall. Apparently others too had their faults, so anyone could have fallen down first.

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Diala

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Posted: 11 years ago

#88

Thanks Varaali..Vrish and others. Insightful as usual.Cant wait for the show to start. We can discuss anf learn so much.

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lovesunshine

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Posted: 11 years ago

#89

Originally posted by: Arijit007
i don't know, ask the author, if you can find him, he is an immortal if you are thinking that he is dead.

wow i did not know that he is still around. hmm so a trip to the himalayas mayb to get all the doubts answered... who's coming with me?😉..

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AurTu

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Posted: 11 years ago

#90

@Varaali~I understood what you wanted to convey & I agree with you...Thanks for being so patient & clarifying all my doubts...Once again a big thank you...🤗

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