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Diala D

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Posted: 11 years ago

#631

Originally posted by: Ddiala
From the translation of Ganguli, names of the Kauravas are below and I see only 98 😕

Duryodhana Chitraksha Ayovahu Ugrasravas Ugra

Yuyutsu Charuchitra Mahavahu Ugrasena Bhimaratha

Duhsasana Angada Chitrachapa Kshemamurti Vira

Duhsaha Durmada Sukundala Aprajita Viravahu

Duhshala Dushpradharsha Bhimavega Panditaka Alolupa

Durmukha Vivitsu Bhimavala Visalaksha Abhaya

Vivinsati Vikata Valaki Duradhara Raudrakarman

Vikarna Sama Bhimavikrama Dridhahasta Dridharatha

Jalasandha Urananabha Ugrayudha Suhasta Anadhrishya

Sulochna Padmanabha Bhimaeara Vatavega Kundaveda

Vinda Nanda Kanakayu Suvarchasa Viravi

Anuvinda Upanandaka Dridhayudha Adityaketu Dhirghalochana

Durdharsha Sanapati Dridhavarman Vahvasin Dirghavahu

Suvahu Sushena Dridhakshatra Nagadatta Mahavahu

Dushpradharshana Kundodara Somakirti Anuyaina Vyudhoru

Durmarshana Mahodara Anadara Nishangi Kanakangana

Dushkarna Chitravahu Jarasandha Kuvachi Kundaja

Karna Chitravarman Dridhasandha Dandi Chitraka

Chitra Suvarman Satyasandha Dandadhara

Vipachitra Durvirochana Sahasravaeh Dhanugraha

We discussed there was a Bhim too but I dont see it here.. The text also speaks about Yuyutsu the son of Vaisya in the next sentence.. So will take Gandhari had one Yuyutsu too.. Also there are two 'Mahavahu's above.. Even if we consider there were two brothers by the same name like we have two 'Yuyutsu's, any idea where are the other two names?

No one saw this question? 😭

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Vrish

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Posted: 11 years ago

#632

Abhimanyu's death - why did Arjun hold Jayadrath only responsible?

Yeah, Jayadrath blocked the entrance of the chakravyuha, not b'cos he wanted Abhimanyu dead, but b'cos he wanted to defeat the Pandavas and avenge his insult, and also, as a Kaurava warrior, it was his job to do whatever he could. The Kauravas had a plan to capture Yudisthir, and Jayadrath wanted and had to help execute it. So he made sure that even if Abhimanyu had gone thru the chakravyuha, nobody else could.

The #1 blame for Abhimanyu's death should go to Drona. After Laxmana was killed, Karna asked Drona how Abhimanyu could be defeated, and Drona suggested attacking him from behind and disarming him. Karna broke his bow from behind, Drona broke his sword, and other warriors his chariot. Abhimanyu swung his chariot wheel, but that too was shattered after everybody's arrows hit it.

He then picked up a mace and started a battle w/ Dushashan's son Shrutakarna. Both collapsed in course of the battle, but Shrutakarna recovered first, while Abhimanyu was still tired from all the day's fighting. Before he could get up, Shrutakarna brought the mace down on Abhimanyu's head & slew him.

So the blame for Abhimanyu's death, rather than be on Jayadrath, should have been on 1)Drona and 2)Shrutakarna. So why was day 14 dedicated to Jayadrath, instead of these 2?

Arjun should have battled Drona, and let Dhrishtadyuma kill him from behind. That would have saved the lives of Dhrishtaketu, Sahadev of Magadha, the ruler of Kekaya Vrihatkshatra and a whole host of other warriors

Similarly, Draupadi's sons should have sought out Dushashan's, and killed him jointly, if they couldn't defeat him in a simple combat.

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Vrish

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Posted: 11 years ago

#633

Originally posted by: Ddiala

No one saw this question? 😭

There was a Bhima & Karna as well - check out the thread about the 100 Kauravas a few pages ago - this post.

Originally posted by: .Vrish.
Here is the list of Gandhari's sons:

Anybody want to compare the 2 lists? 😆 I can see Karna & Bhima in one, but not the other

Also, Yuyutsu wasn't Gandhari's son, so shouldn't be in this list.

Have 5 columns and 20 rows, so that the counting is easier.

Edited by .Vrish. - 11 years ago

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Soni2496

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Posted: 11 years ago

#634

I have had this gnawing question for a while now. Why did Kunti not invoke other gods to beget children, I mean why not Shiva, brahma or even Vishnu for that matter( assuming she didn't know Krishna was Vishnu incarnate)???? Another question is why didn't she ask for a daughter?

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TheM

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Posted: 11 years ago

#635

To my understanding I believe that invoking a God wasn't just about the power, but also the particular attribute that God had, the reason that she didn't ask for a daughter was more likely attributed the fact that she couldn't, as her vardaan was probably only limited to having sons.

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Vrish

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Posted: 11 years ago

#636

A woman could have sons from 3 males different from her husband - beyond that, she'd be known as a vaisha. Kunti already had 3 sons from Yamaraj, Vayu & Indra, and that's not even counting Karna. As a result, she stopped. Pandu still wanted more, so on his request, Kunti taught Madri the mantra. But once Madri got twins, Kunti got scared that Madri would overtake her in #sons, so she refused to support her getting sons the second time.

One thing I wonder - had Pandu picked Suryadev instead of, say, Yamaraj, and asked Kunti to invoke him, what would she have done? Could she have invoked him a second time?

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Diala D

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Posted: 11 years ago

#637

well.. does having sons matter or having intercourse does? I believe its the latter..

So if more than four 'different' men turns to be a problem why not repeat them to beget sons? But as Kunti told this to be a reason for Pandu to not ask for more, there should be a hidden 'conditions apply' in Durvasa's boon.. ***Not more than once 🤔

Considering above, she would have not invoked Surya for the second time.. Convincing Pandu with some name-sake reasons 😆

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Vrish

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Posted: 11 years ago

#638

I think it's the number of different alternatives that are used.

Dhritarashtra & Gandhari were probably thinking about having intercourse 100 times (since there wasn't much else they could do 😆) Pandu could have had as many sons as he wanted w/ both Kunti & Madri, had rishi Kindama's curse not come in the way.

So had it been Pandu having kids, he could have had as many as he wanted. But since it was other males - in this case devas - creating kids for him, Kunti had to go by the limits. Madri got clever & picked the Ashwin twins & got twins, but there too, she had already used 2 alternates, and could only have had 1 more. But Kunti was scared that that 1 more could have created twins or triplets in Madri - she thought that that was Madri's special talent - and so she refused to support it any further, and Pandu had to be content w/ 5.

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Diala D

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Posted: 11 years ago

#639

Originally posted by: .Vrish.
I think it's the number of different alternatives that are used.

Dhritarashtra & Gandhari were probably thinking about having intercourse 100 times (since there wasn't much else they could do 😆) Pandu could have had as many sons as he wanted w/ both Kunti & Madri, had rishi Kindama's curse not come in the way.

So had it been Pandu having kids, he could have had as many as he wanted. But since it was other males - in this case devas - creating kids for him, Kunti had to go by the limits. Madri got clever & picked the Ashwin twins & got twins, but there too, she had already used 2 alternates, and could only have had 1 more. But Kunti was scared that that 1 more could have created twins or triplets in Madri - she thought that that was Madri's special talent - and so she refused to support it any further, and Pandu had to be content w/ 5.

Oh my Oh my!!! this is communication gap to the core.. 😆 What I meant is a woman gets a son or not, being in physical contact with more that 4 men makes her a prostitute.. and not number of instances.. so that though the number of men only counts Kunti dint call them again, which makes me assume that Durvasa's boon was with that condition of not to repeat..

But whats the problem if Madri has got two or three more? Still Yudishtar was the eldest and eligible for the throne.. and her sons if any anyway will have 105 elder brothers.. whats the use? Kunti was the first wife of the King, Kunti gave the first child and after all it was Kunti's mantra that helped Madri to mother her sons.. Pandu is aware of the facts.. who can deny her superiority over Madri based on number of sons?

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Vrish

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Posted: 11 years ago

#640

^^^You really need to take this up w/ either Rishi Vyasa, or Kunti herself 😆

"The celebrated Pandu, tempted by the desire of having more children wished to speak again unto his wedded wife (for invoking some other god). But Kunti addressed him, saying, 'The wise do not sanction a fourth delivery even in a season of distress. The woman having intercourse with four different men is called a Swairini (heanton), while she having intercourse with five becometh a harlot. Therefore, O learned one, as thou art well-acquainted with the scripture on this subject, why dost thou, beguiled by desire of offspring, tell me so in seeming forgetfulness of the ordinance?'"

Next page, it goes on to her envy of Madri

"Some time after, Pandu again requested Kunti on behalf of Madri. Addressed, O king, by her lord in private, Kunti replied, 'Having given her the formula of invocation only once, she hath, O king, managed to obtain two sons. Have I not been thus deceived by her, I fear, O king, that she will soon surpass me in the number of her children. This, indeed, is the way of all wicked women. Fool that I was, I did not know that by invoking the twin gods I could obtain at one birth twin children. I beseech thee, O king, do not command me any further. Let this be the boon granted (by thee) to me.'

So it can be seen that contrary to the image makeover that this serial is doing on Kunti, particularly wrt Madri, Kunti actually was pissed that Madri could get 2 kids in 1 go, while she hadn't thought of it. Not just that, rational or not, she was worried about Madri overtaking her in terms of #kids, and then them posing a challenge to Yudisthir's legitimacy.

It was probably after Madri's death that Sahadev became her favorite.

Edited by .Vrish. - 11 years ago

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Yuyutsu	Charuchitra	Mahavahu	Ugrasena	Bhimaratha
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Duhsaha	Durmada	Sukundala	Aprajita	Viravahu
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Vivinsati	Vikata	Valaki	Duradhara	Raudrakarman
Vikarna	Sama	Bhimavikrama	Dridhahasta	Dridharatha
Jalasandha	Urananabha	Ugrayudha	Suhasta	Anadhrishya
Sulochna	Padmanabha	Bhimaeara	Vatavega	Kundaveda
Vinda	Nanda	Kanakayu	Suvarchasa	Viravi
Anuvinda	Upanandaka	Dridhayudha	Adityaketu	Dhirghalochana
Durdharsha	Sanapati	Dridhavarman	Vahvasin	Dirghavahu
Suvahu	Sushena	Dridhakshatra	Nagadatta	Mahavahu
Dushpradharshana	Kundodara	Somakirti	Anuyaina	Vyudhoru
Durmarshana	Mahodara	Anadara	Nishangi	Kanakangana
Dushkarna	Chitravahu	Jarasandha	Kuvachi	Kundaja
Karna	Chitravarman	Dridhasandha	Dandi	Chitraka
Chitra	Suvarman	Satyasandha	Dandadhara
Vipachitra	Durvirochana	Sahasravaeh	Dhanugraha