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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

I think that the rationale was that since he was superior to them in age (and to Draupadi in terms of being a husband), that sin didn't attach to him.

The order in which they died is known - what's not explicitly stated, but is implicitly understood on reading - is that they died in the reverse order in which they were born - after Draupadi, then Sahadev, Nakul, Arjun & then Bhima.

Although recently, I read some account - maybe here on I-F - that when Bhima fell, he didn't die, but was rescued by a Naga tribe and taken in as one of their own. Although how he could have lived after having lost everything - including his brothers - is a mystery: he didn't have to leave Indraprastha, but voluntarily did, or else, any of the Pandavas could have, like their other wives, stayed back w/ Parikshit had they so wished.



hmmm but just because he was elder therefore, he did not sin doesn't make any sense I mean there is no logic behind it.

There has to be a reason why it was not a sin 😕😕😕
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: rasyafan

hmmm but just because he was elder therefore, he did not sin doesn't make any sense I mean there is no logic behind it.

There has to be a reason why it was not a sin 😕😕😕



You & I probably agree. We're talking about Dev Indra's mind here 😈 not our own 😆

A lot of things that Yudisthir did, we consider repugnant, but it wasn't considered that by Dwapar Yuga standards, which is what we ought to judge them by
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

But I've read in different places that Drupada actually wanted a daughter to cause the destruction of the Kurus - that was what was announced when Draupadi emerged from the flames.

Another possibility - he knew of Drona wanting to face Arjun in war, and decided to win Arjun over to take advantage of that situation for real, and make it a real war, instead of a Bheeshma-Parashurama type battle.

Vrish i have also read that Dhrupad wanetd only a powerful son born out of yagna with the sole objective of destroying/killing drona.

Howvere, there is a story I have read somewhere that when the yagna was being performed, exactly just a few mins before the yagna was to give out the fruit of it being sucessful (a son), Dhrupad's wife/queen had to attend an urgent nature's call and the rishis who were performing the yagna kept telling dhrupad to call his wife as the ritual needed to be done with wife but dhrupad failed in that because his wife took longer to come back and thus though a son was born because there was a slight change in the vidhi of the yagna a daughter popped out of the fire too...So draupadi was not the 'planned' child by dhrupad..he only wanted a son. So dhrupad had an extra daughter whom he then planned to also use against drona ...

I will post the link later if I found but i am sure I had read it somewhere..


Edited by lovesunshine - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
Drupad wanted to give a fitting reply to Drona . It was an anti Drona family Drupad himself against him , Drishtadyumna against him and cleverly grabbing Drona's only asset ...Arjun as son in law by making that swayamvar an archery swayamvar . If Arjun was his pride , Drupad snatched him away from him by making him a relation and ensuring he would from now on always be on his side . It was all the build up of Team Drona.
Edited by koolsadhu1000 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: lovesunshine

Vrish i have also read that Dhrupad wanetd only a powerful son born out of yagna with the sole objective of destroying/killing drona.

Howvere, there is a story I have read somewhere that when the yagna was being performed, exactly just a few mins before the yagna was to give out the fruit of it being sucessful (a son), Dhrupad's wife/queen had to attend an urgent nature's call and the rishis who were performing the yagna kept telling dhrupad to call his wife as the ritual needed to be done with wife but dhrupad failed in that because his wife took longer to come back and thus though a son was born because there was a slight change in the vidhi of the yagna a daughter popped out of the fire too...So draupadi was not the 'planned' child by dhrupad..he only wanted a son. So dhrupad had an extra daughter whom he then planned to also use against drona ...


Read below stories...as is the rule of forum to provide citations please read the links are posted below it..

http://backtogodhead.in/the-birth-of-draupadi-translated-from-sanskrit-by-hridayananda-dasa-goswami/

http://madhwabrahmanas.blogspot.co.uk/2009/08/fascinating-story-behind-draupadi-devis.html

Edited by lovesunshine - 11 years ago

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: lovesunshine

Vrish i have also read that Dhrupad wanetd only a powerful son born out of yagna with the sole objective of destroying/killing drona.

Howvere, there is a story I have read somewhere that when the yagna was being performed, exactly just a few mins before the yagna was to give out the fruit of it being sucessful (a son), Dhrupad's wife/queen had to attend an urgent nature's call and the rishis who were performing the yagna kept telling dhrupad to call his wife as the ritual needed to be done with wife but dhrupad failed in that because his wife took longer to come back and thus though a son was born because there was a slight change in the vidhi of the yagna a daughter popped out of the fire too...So draupadi was not the 'planned' child by dhrupad..he only wanted a son. So dhrupad had an extra daughter whom he then planned to also use against drona ...

I will post the link later if I found but i am sure I had read it somewhere..




even I read exactly the same thing it was an article about Draupadi and I posted it both here as well as Devon ke dev Mahabharat Minakshi has transfered in in Mahabharat thread somewhere. It was a beautiful article about Draupadi Satyavati and one more lady hmmm Gandhari ??? 😕 Forgot let
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: lovesunshine

Vrish i have also read that Dhrupad wanetd only a powerful son born out of yagna with the sole objective of destroying/killing drona.

Howvere, there is a story I have read somewhere that when the yagna was being performed, exactly just a few mins before the yagna was to give out the fruit of it being sucessful (a son), Dhrupad's wife/queen had to attend an urgent nature's call and the rishis who were performing the yagna kept telling dhrupad to call his wife as the ritual needed to be done with wife but dhrupad failed in that because his wife took longer to come back and thus though a son was born because there was a slight change in the vidhi of the yagna a daughter popped out of the fire too...So draupadi was not the 'planned' child by dhrupad..he only wanted a son. So dhrupad had an extra daughter whom he then planned to also use against drona ...

I will post the link later if I found but i am sure I had read it somewhere..



This was in BRC, but I'd like to know if that's supported in the original. The above citations are good, but seem to be ancillary tales around Draupadi.
Edited by .Vrish. - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
Here is the thread where I posted about Women in Mahabhart - Draupadi, Satyavati and Kunti

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/devon-ke-dev-mahadev/3697265/the-women-in-mahabharata
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

Drupad wanted to give a fitting reply to Drona . It was an anti Drona family ...Shikhandi against him , Drishtadyumna against him and cleverly grabbing Drona's only asset ...Arjun as son in law by making that swayamvar an archery swayamvar . If Arjun was his pride , Drupad snatched him away from him by making him a relation and ensuring he would from now on always be on his side . It was all the build up of Team Drona.


Shikhandi was pitted against Bheeshma, not Drona. He had nothing against Drona, although Draupadi's humiliation made the entire Kuru family their enemy.

I don't get how marrying Draupadi to Arjun achieved anything. It made Drupad Arjun's ally, not vice versa. The way matrimonial alliances worked is that if the husband's family was at war, the wife's family was obliged to support them, but the converse wasn't necessarily true. E.g. on the Kaurava side, Susharma was obligated to support Duryodhan since Bhanumati, his sister, was married to him. However, Jayadrath was not obligated to support Duryodhan due to Duhsala, and only did it b'cos they were ideologically similar. It's interesting that Jayadrath had a brother Anaghrushti who died fighting on the Pandava side, not the Kauravas.

Also, this obligation was only binding for one generation. Like Shalya was not obligated to fight for the Pandavas, even though he wanted to, but he would have been obligated to fight for Pandu. Had Pandu been a part of the war on the Pandava side, no way could Shalya have joined Duryodhan. (Of course, no way Bheeshma could have either, but that's another story).
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Posted: 11 years ago
I am sorry about Shikhandi ...it was a hurried gaffe

but i don't agree about the damads not being obligated to side with wife's family

90% of the time the obligation was mutual

Nakul and Sahdev have berated Shalya very much for joining Duryodhan .

Shalya has apologised and ultimately Yudhishtir has intervened . One looked out for powerful damads only and only for their support . The concept of swayamwar was for this .

Drupad seems to be well versed in politics and without sentiment ...Drona on the other hand seems more emotional . The insult stung him and he gave up fighting after Ashwathama's death while other heroes fought on inspite of the death of their sons . Drona seems sensitive .

Drupad seems to have a cool political head ...thats how he comes across in Mahabharat . He encouraged his daughter to live in the polyandrous relationship , made Arjun an ally by rishta and the whole equation between Drona and Arjun changed after this marraige . It was the last time Arjun did anything for Drona , after this Drona was beheaded in front of Arjun's eyes and he couldn't do a thing . Drishtadyumna killed him unfairly and cruelly . Drona took guru dakshinas of cut thumbs etc to ensure Arjun was best archer and gave all his vidya to Arjun but he was beheaded in front of Arjun by unfair means and Arjun did not do a thing . Of course this is my personal view .

Regarding the odd ones who exercised their choice and fought on opposite sides , they were just that ...odd in the normal scenario . Yuyutsu for example .


Edited by koolsadhu1000 - 11 years ago

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