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Charu

@Krinya

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Posted: 12 years ago

#41

Originally posted by: pnars
What a fascinating discussion - where do Rishbala go from here and how will the creators execute the HEA?

In my estimation, there is enormous love on both sides, and whether consciously or subconsciously, they both know it. What is lacking is trust, and RK needs to work to rebuild trust in Madhu.

But before that, he needs to build trust in himself, that his feelings for Madhu are real and valid, and it is essential to acknowledge them. He must make himself worthy of her.

From Madhu's POV, she has to at some point make a leap of faith to trust this man again, the same one who performed a monstrous deceit on her. Because if you want to build trust you must start somewhere with the first brick.

It will be fascinating to see what stories they will weave around this journey. I think it's a given that some of it will be clunky and hamhanded given the constraints of the daily soap format and the demands of the TRP gods. But the overall narrative should be good, hopefully!

Also, given ST's desire for a thousand episodes, the RRR may happen in several rounds, as in there maybe other misunderstandings and seperations in the future - a one step forward, two steps back kind of thing. They will not repair the relationship completely until towards the end I suppose.

That gives rise to a fascinatingly sick thought- imagine how Madhu, and all of us will feel before their final, 'real' seven pheres?? Imagine the kind of trust that must exist between them by then to even go through with that ever again...!!!

lovely post pnars 🤗 you said enormous love, i have started doubting whether it IS love or no 😆 like you said yest. in your review that we can debate on it whether it's love b/w them or no..i was thinking alone the same lines..they are attracted to each other , like shri said, they are thrown in together but they are yet to acknowledge that it's love or fate which is binding them together...the problem is that their concept of love is so different..for RK, it's twisted AND it's not healthy (like he loved his mom for 17 years, but not mend relations with her, he made her his dil ka zakhm)..he becomes a control freak, he wants 100% control over that person's life (reason is his insecurity related to his loved ones) & he can NOT share them with anyone...Madhu is ready to give away everything in love & ready to take .she puts the person on God's pedestal ..with idealistic mindset, it's difficult to love someone with all his flaws , the major problem... now when both are thrown together, they try to judge/change the other acc. to their set of rules...

seriously, Rishbala in future, with all their given flaws & their mindsets, do not hold a very bright & rosy future 😕 n i agree with Shri that we must forget the old Rishbala..this is a new beginning...a new journey ..a new Rishbala in the making...

as of now , i'm not thinking too much of the future...bec. the present is so disturbing 😆 toh future thoughts are not cool 😒they're degrading RK to a new level everyday , they're destroying their own creation ..i wonder in this journey, how many of us can relate to this loser & weak RK and keep liking him? 😕

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pnars

@pnars

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Posted: 12 years ago

#42

Charu,

He's probably going to get a lot worse before he gets better...alcoholics generally don't have any limits, and he has a giant ego riding on the waves of all that vodka in addition.

Yesterday, I felt sorry for him - the great RK drunk and talking nonsense in some stranger's car. He's plumbing the depths of despair. Out of the amrit manthan, the haalaahal has to come out first before the amrit.

So if the CVs remain true to their characterization, his innate good nature (his gentlemanly conduct towards Madhu when she lived with him, his refusal to consummate despite her willingness, his tolerating the Bhatia gang, his care for his mother) will prevail. He will grow as a person if he learns to love Madhu as she deserves to be loved as well.

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Charu

@Krinya

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Posted: 12 years ago

#43

Originally posted by: pnars
Charu,

He's probably going to get a lot worse before he gets better...alcoholics generally don't have any limits, and he has a giant ego riding on the waves of all that vodka in addition.

Yesterday, I felt sorry for him - the great RK drunk and talking nonsense in some stranger's car. He's plumbing the depths of despair. Out of the amrit manthan, the haalaahal has to come out first before the amrit.

So if the CVs remain true to their characterization, his innate good nature (his gentlemanly conduct towards Madhu when she lived with him, his refusal to consummate despite her willingness, his tolerating the Bhatia gang, his care for his mother) will prevail. He will grow as a person if he learns to love Madhu as she deserves to be loved as well.

absolutely pnars 👏 i said the same in some other post that only his goodness will bring Madhu back to him...and Madhu's belief that her love changed him for better...that their love was not fake.. and if they are destined to be together, with this history behind them , individually they will emerge as better people..

@bold, the only hitch is "for how long" 😭 don't you think his journey will be a lot tougher than Madhu? she is strangely unaffected by the whole drama in her life 😲

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hansa22

@hansa22

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Posted: 12 years ago

#44

I read this article today ' The Darcy Appeal' and thought I must share it. It is not part of the Rishbala execution discussion but skirts around it, so I felt like posting it here. When I first started watching MB, I thought RK was an exaggerated version of Mr Darcy and Madhu was a mix of Elizabeth and Emma !!

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/books/The-Darcy-Appeal-200-years-on--/articleshow/19164794.cms

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leelaa9

@leelaa9

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Posted: 12 years ago

#45

Originally posted by: Soundarya22
I read this article today ' The Darcy Appeal' and thought I must share it. It is not part of the Rishbala execution discussion but skirts around it, so I felt like posting it here. When I first started watching MB, I thought RK was an exaggerated version of Mr Darcy and Madhu was a mix of Elizabeth and Emma !!

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/books/The-Darcy-Appeal-200-years-on--/articleshow/19164794.cms

Thanks very much for the link, Soundarya.😊

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Shridevi Gaddam

@0-SD-0

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Posted: 12 years ago

#46

RE the article on Darcy Appeal...excerpt taken...

>>>>Explains psychologist Seema Hingorrany, "Emotionally distant men are sexually attractive because women perceive them to be dignified, intelligent and enigmatic. Women are turned off by men who chase them constantly." Austen, however criticised for her apparent lack of socialcommentary and failure to recognise the wider world in her novels, was an astute observer of the complexities of the mind, especially in regard to both the sexes. Ananya Dutta Gupta, literature professor at Visva-Bharati University, Shantiniketan, says, "Austen had great insight into the human mind. In P&P, she explored a bottom-line bedrock psychology ' the battle of the sexes.

Theme of Emotional Unavailability is what the Soap Writers keep working on to make the Soap run for so long. To a pathetic extent. Look at Shiv and Anandi relationship and marriage...its a joke and yet it consistently gets 4+ TRPs.

ST and his Writing Crew, like Austen have this great insight into human mind...there is a timeless, ageless appeal across times and generations of men and women and genderless appeal across men and women, who just want to see the problem as problem and are never completely able to characterize into feminist or alpha male thoughts...its always a debate on how much of skewed thinking is permitted, ideal vs realistic vs morbid states of mind...The journeys that people go through like Radhaji once upon a time was a leaky tap...now changed...Trishna a self-centered woman, self-absorbed and now changed. It applies to everyone in MEIEJ

The way MEIEJ 's plot and characters can be discussed and understood through psychoanalysis, it is not true of other soaps. Like we can never discuss Anandi's refusal to divorce Jagya, refusal to move on emotionally, refusal to like Shiv, refusal to marry him, refusal to allow him to consummate the marriage is plain unfathomable and has to be taken with a pinch of salt...that it is soap, has to run for years, has to make it classroom teaching for all through Anandi's refusal that she needs to imbibe modern concepts inspite of her being traditional. However, what they forget in their soap format is that...Anandi is a human being as well...and she cannot be a student and teacher all the time...somewhere, it is also life and we need to act and not ponder through episodic months for taking one decision.

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Meenu

@river123

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Posted: 12 years ago

#47

Originally posted by: Soundarya22

When I first started watching MB, I thought RK was an exaggerated version of Mr Darcy and Madhu was a mix of Elizabeth and Emma !!

Thanks for the article. And nice connection with Madhu and Emma/Elizabeth.

PS: had a total nostalgic moment with the Colin Firth-Jennifer Ehle pic in that article. Can the phangurl in me say that Colin Firth is the definitive Darcy for me?

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Shridevi Gaddam

@0-SD-0

Rocker

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Posted: 12 years ago

#48

Along the same lines of Darcy Appeal...here's to Rishabh Kundra appeal or chemistry he has as commented over in Media thread

Originally posted by Soundarya22

BTW, what is this so called chemistry b/w madhu and Sultan people are raving about? I did'nt see any chemistry yesterday. Rishu and Madhu can stand across a room and create chemistry😆

Originally posted by 0-SD-0

For that matter Rishabh Kundra and Sultan stand across each other...and they have more chemistry than Sultanbala. Don't you agree ? Sultan is not the problem. RK is the chemistry creator. Isn't that the reason why we all panic...when Dips comes close to RK...Darr lagta hai...kahin chemistry na ban jaaye. RK had good chemistry with his Ex-Saasuma, Ex-Sasurji and nowadays going good with his mom. His chemistry these days has been affected only with Bittuji...as he is changed.

Originally posted by Nishi.Singh

so true and Bang On! he can create chemistry with anyone, irrespective of that person being a male or a female ..we all knew he can make a rocking chemistry with Sultan too (which is missing in Sultan and Madhu scenes ) and we were right ...even ppl who never liked Sultan for being expressionless, liked him for the first time

i m missing Rittoo too (though their offscreen chemistry is not affected at all 🤣)

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What is it that appeals us about Rishabh Kundra ?

What appeals to me is that he easily saunters in between ideal vs realistic vs morbid states, which then appears to me a a wholesome package of a human being. Actually all characters show this trait in MEIEJ. Then, why is that ONLY Rishabh Kundra strikes a good chemistry with all ?

Its because, he perceives the pain of the other and starts to administer it. We like him as the doctor...A doctor helps us through our pain and never gets connected to us emotionally and that is what we like about him. There is cordiality, advice and he leaves us alone with medicine for us to get cured of our ailments (morbid afflictions). If people refuse to get treated, fail to take the medicine, he forces to the extent that people survive and when he gets the hint that they survived, he leaves them alone to recuperate and never come back to ask them...which removes the piteous care-taking quality bestowing self-judgement of the situation on the afflicted people themselves.

The most altruistic of his actions are:

The passively narrated information that he does contribute to Film associations for the benefit of people working in the industry.
Him taking care of his mother and her family.
Him taking care of Bittuji (if Bittuji had not felt the empathy, there was no need for him to work for a morbid boss).
Him taking care of Madhu's family dichotomies...whatever he ridiculed about, he actually is pained about and hence later devices means to correct them...like getting Shamsher and Padmini married, like getting the imported machines for Shamsher's faster recovery...thing is...it is not just for Shamsher...think about it...those machines now become permanent assets to the hospital for use over others, plus they get him tax benefits as well...a charitable work, but well thought of and not rubbing on anyone about how it may enhance his good image. The way he went ahead to support Trishna's Heroine dreams is also good in the sense that kind of healed Trishna's insecurity that no one thinks about her and dreams.

Without overly glorifying him through writing the above and recognizing the revenge action from, acknowledging the fact that I like him because he calls himself a kameena, I see that he is always to be found on other side of "Dariya".. A dariya is a stream of water. A waterbody. What Rishabh Kundra does is that is always on the other side of that flowing stream and also for the most part, he is also going against the currents of the same flow.

When people overly idealize anything, he is the one to mock at it. When people overly criticize anything, he is the one to support it. Again without going to what he did to Madhu, I would like to see vis-a-vis his growing up with his mother. His idealism broke when he was young and at the same time, he understands why his mother did what she did, though he was unable to accept it. This makes him mocker of the ideal/perfect world that his mother tries to create around him and at the same time, upholds it by providing means to her, to maintain it. Somewhere he creates a balance for both of them...controlling his cynicism and curbing romanticism.

The support he provided to Shamsher and Madhu when Shamsher attacked, becomes an ideal example, but ofcourse I need to scrap it as it is tainted with his revenge drama.

Rishabh Kundra is a person who would like the person as he is and if he sees the person honest enough and passionate in emotion, he gives credence to them no matter how their actions are judged by the world around him. He ignores people as nothing, if they do not inspire him in any manner. And in the same token, he would like a person to love him for what he is, as he is...without him having to change all his elemental qualities.

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MarathiMulgi

@MarathiMulgi

Voyager

Posted: 12 years ago

#49

To Shri and all other wonderful writers,

I was reading @Gurtiluv's post on EDT and some of responses. I decided to to write here since it is a kind of meta discussion.

I bow to all of your astute analysis and thought would ask you to help me understand this.

Do you think that Madhu has sympathy about others in abundance but she is lacking empathy?
I feel that showing sympathy has danger of backfiring it on you. It can leave the person feeling that you are taking pity on them, making them feel less empowered or make them feel inferior (which is what happened with Sultan in the latest epi and he kind of snapped at Madhu. OK she had no business to follow Kaka is a separate thought altogether.).
Whereas in Empathy, the focus remains on the person without making them feel uncomfortable and letting them decide if they would like to accept help from you.

So my feeling is that if Madhu learns to be empathetic rather than sympathetic and it probably would serve her well in the long run?

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Shridevi Gaddam

@0-SD-0

Rocker

+ 2

Posted: 12 years ago

#50

Excellent MM.

That's the word. Empathetic instead of being sympathetic. That sounds so right to the ears. Yes, MM. That's what is needed. 👏 👏

And I too brought my response to Vipisa over here to META.

Originally posted by: Vipisa

When and what did Madhu do to RK while putting her family into danger?

She put Trishna's career in danger when RK was taken by the Police. If Madhu could be brash taking on a Film star who could affect the employment of her parents, Roma and her sister Trishna, in panic even Trishna was brash and tried to approach the film star to better her chances...it all became a mess, until RK orders a ban on Trishna. RK was directly related here in terms of employment situation for rest of her family and Sudhakar advised her already that he may go to any extent. Why ignore warnings knowingly ?

It is welcome that she registered the complaint against RK (through the car number) for hit and run case. She upheld humanity, helped the victim Mukund Dikshit, took care of him. But when his mother asked her to leave, or when they were ready to drop the case against RK, there was no need for Madhu to get personally involved with RK.

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