Originally posted by: Ananya05
Sympathizing with people and being sensitive to them need not always be related. Being sensitive means, respecting others emotions, even if it means they are unwilling to take your help. And in this case, by shoving her help down Sultan's throat against his wishes, she is not only being insensitive to him but also to her own family. Why does she fail to think on the lines that by getting herself involved with Sultan, she is laying down footwork for a big mess for her family and herself? I call this being insensitive. Why can't see retract her steps, when she sees that people are unwilling to take her services(in this case, kaka saying that she need not come but she still follows them and Sultan stating that he can take care of his son, but she still goes on lecturing him? She has to forcibly barge in to their lives, shower her help on them, and crush them to bits and pieces with her kindness, thus making them vulnerable. And I don't think anybody appreciates if they are coming across as a vulnerable person. Madhu fails to see this. I call this being insensitive.
Madhu saving Aryan was never insensitive and disgusting. That indeed was very brave and appreciable. The way Madhu has been dealing with Sultan post her entry in his house, that is what is foolish and insensitive(for reasons stated above). So, IMO the comparison drawn between few real life posthumous heroes and her is not of much relevance to our discussion.
Madhu was again insensitive to RK when she forced him to reconcile with Ganesha. That was simply a torture to watch and I was not very happy with her at that time as well. I again remember, a lot of us were not very appreciative of her efforts to bring Radhaji and RK together, simply because she never bothered to get down to the depth of the matters and obtusely undertook the task.
As to why people did not react the same way when she did similar things to RK when he was injured, I don't know about everyone, but I think when she was helping out RK, there was no potential danger involved to her or her family, because RK is not a criminal nor does he have any rivals who would have come running after Madhu for saving RK. And I know a lot of people might not agree to it, but I will not refrain from pouring out my thoughts, now that I have been forced to come out of my weekend hibernation, I feel whatever said and done, they were husband and wife then. So Madhu going out of her way for him did not look completely unacceptable or signifying some danger lurking around the corner.
A huge part of me still craves to know Madhu's reasons for loving RK. Did Madhu's love for RK stem from her sympathy for all his previous losses? Did she ever truly comprehend the depth of her feelings?At times I feel that she loved him not for the person he was, but due to her inherent need to love and for the person she wanted to make him, by dealing with his insecurities. It was almost as if she took him up as a mission. The letter she wrote for Padmini, was almost suggestive in this regards only. It said RK has never been loved and that she wants him to believe in love and make him trust people again(something along these lines. Can't recall exact details). Was RK a troubled child for her, whom she wanted to cure? What exactly was her love? I am still stumped.
I don't ever recall any of the peeps on this thread stating that only Madhu is the bad seed in the relationship. We have always stated that both are flawed and both need to work on it if this relationship has to work.
What Madhu needs to learn? She needs to learn to be receptive to others, or in other words she needs to empathize. Because her sympathy always comes across as pity to others. She needs to learn where to draw the line. She needs to learn to judge pros and cons of matters before involving herself in it. She needs to understand that people are not always in shades of black or white. She needs to learn not to repeat the same mistakes. Most of all, she needs to learn how to fear.
What RK needs to learn? RK needs to learn to listen to his heart which has always overpowered his ego.
Pardon me if any of this sounds repetitive. This is what has been going on in my mind since this whole Sultan track started. I could no longer contain this within me.
ETA: IMO, RK is not insensitive. He has always been very receptive to people around him. That is why he took care of his mother and Bhatia's for 17 years. I am sure he must have done something good for Bittuji as well, apart from being a whimsical boss. That is why Bittuji has been so loyal to him for years. He knows when to step back. That is why he secretly brought in those machines for Shamsher's treatment, without creating much hoopla about it. That is why he planned to secretly launch Trishna in bollywood.He does not form an emotional bond with people, and yet ends up either healing them or at the very least showing them a path for their betterment.
Originally posted by: zoya_naziya
I was mulling over quite a few things...
Why Madhu loves/d RK is a million dollar question that has been plaguing our minds since Oct/Nov... And we still don't know... But keeping the current scenario in mind, and also the fact that Madhu is a dariyadil (Compassionate /large-hearted) , am now forced to raise the question yet again as to why she loves/d him...Did this love stem out of sympathy? Was he just a cause for her? What was it about him that made her revere him?Lemme remind you about the letter that she writes to her mom just before the twist when she thought that she was going away from her family... She had written that she was showered with love from all sides but RK was not fortunate enough to be showered with that kind of love...And he has trust in love issues... and she wants to show to him that there is abundant love in the world for him... and that people are capable of loving him too.. and that they would return back when RK understands this...Honestly speaking, I didn't like the tone of the letter... But then that letter was insignificant in the face of the situation, so I didn't voice out my displeasure at that juncture...Another thing that's been running in my mind lately, is the play of contrasts between RK and Sultan...On one side, RK even in his breaking-down stage comes across as a more stronger/over-powering personality than Sultan ... yet at the same time, for all the very emotional people(and are unable to see/ignore the play of intellect) who watch this drama, they keep drawing comparisons between RK and Sultan...RK has difficulty saying sorry but Sultan without hesitation apologises..In fact, methinks such an overt apology was not needed... Then with this Sultan being shot drama, and Madhu removing the bullet, i dunno how Sultan would react.. but the kind of person they have shown him so far, methinks he would feel indebted for saving his life, where as,RK on the other hand, asked her why she gave him blood but yes, he did say that she deserves a thanks but he wouldn't say it... And everyone has raised a hue and cry saying how he could ditch the girl, when she is the reason he is alive today and he had been insensitive even when Bittuji had questioned him...I read a TT article as well, where they had written about the glaring comparisons...I remember saying that the makers want us, the viewers to accept Sultan... But is it just that?If it was just a case of viewers accepting Sultan, then they can show him to be good in umpteen number of ways and show the downward spiral of RK... I mean, why would you use the same things or rather create similar situations to show Sultan good and RK insensitive/bad?Well I think i need to put a stop to my ramblings...
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