Debate Championship Rnd 2: Closed!!! - Page 3

[quote] Generation leaps make it hard for the audiences to relate to the characters. If we see around us, once a generation grows up, the old characters don't vanish, do they? (That would be scary, if the kid becomes 20 and the dad vanishes ) Well yeah anyway though, that's the case here. Characters go amiss every now and then, confusing the viewers. There are so many unsolved mysteries that get blown away when the character leaves, adding to the dilemma of the regular audience. [/quote]

Didn't Daksha vanish before the leap? If an actor decides to leave the show, Balaji just has to deal with it – either by bringing in a replacement, which would of course be panned by fans and critics alike (Ronit Roy is a real exception) or to completely forget that character. Realism has not been Kyunki's USP ever so to compare real life to reel life is absurd. Characters may go amiss but most are brought back and even then, when have the most important characters disappeared? Monisha is a character whose absence is not felt, yet, she played a significant role in Suhasi's life. You said that unsolved mysteries get blown away when a character leaves – any specific examples?

[quote] Generation leaps may bring with them fresh faces, but that is not always the right thing to do. The generation leap which brought about Lakshya, KT and all was not needed at all. A lot of plots remained unsolved from the past and the audience constantly kept questioning them.

In spite of the introduction of a fresh couple- KT and Lakshya, people pinned for couples from the previous generations, as we see in the forum every now and then. What was the need of this leap then?[/quote]

Vague.

I take it you are talking about Karan and Nandini. Only their fans want to see them, no one else. And sorry to say but if things went by their opinion, the title of Kyunki would have to be changed to "Eternal Love" or something of that sort.

[quote]The dates and ages are messed up here and there, again confusing the viewers. One day, someone is 67 and the next day she is 72. Well, it's a K-soap though, may be they had a 5 year leap, who knows? Leaps are okay as long as they justified and not non-sensical, but unfortunately, this is not the case with KSBKBT.[/quote]

To expect a completely blooper-less Kyunki is too much too ask. It is human to err and the people behind the show are definitely human so a few errors here and there should be okay. Leaps in case of Kyunki are justified. Tulsi simply cannot be a certain age for the whole seven years that Kyunki has been running.

[quote]Last but not the least, everyone looks fake. No one portrays their own age. Everyone starting from grandmother to granddaughter, pretty much look the same age. That is, again, a good way to confuse the viewers![/quote]

In real life, some people do not look their own age. Are they fake as well? I doubt it. Plus, from which angle do Tulsi (grand-mother) and Bhumi (grand-daughter) look the same age?

[quote=-xx-Roohani-xx-]What new storylines have you seen? The Rape?The Love Triangles?Tulsi fighting for justice? Eklavya wanting revenge just like his father? Do any of these plots seem new to you?

Leaps may cause an initial excitement, because it bring something new at the beggining, but the creative team has to bring new stories as well as new faces to keep the show going, because how long are people going to watch simply because of new characters?

Ansh did not want revenge - He wanted Nandini. And yes, a man losing his marbles, even after being apologized to, because of being falsely accused is new to me. That storyline has not been used before.

In case of the 1st generation leap, everyone had a storyline they were involved in right until Ansh's track. Then Balaji focused only on Tulsi-Ansh-Karan-Nandini bringing in the rest of the characters only as fillers. But soon after he died, things went back to normal - meaning everyone had a special storyline they were involved in. In case of the 2nd generation leap, Abhir, Bhumi, Joydeep and Archita are part of the new generation, too, and their plot is working pretty well and it's going to mature Bhumi as a person by teaching her looks aren't everything. It will also mature Archita and Joydeep as people by teaching them not to be so gullible and/or vulnerable. And perhaps, it shall also teach Abhir not to mess with the Virani's.

mz.seductive wrote:
For example, in KZK, the generation leap brought Manoj Bohra, who quickly won the hearts of millions and raked in surprisingly good TRPs – whereas before the leap, KZK was slowly losing its lustre and failed to elicit TRPs.

Can we say the same about KT and Lakshya? Since we are talking about Kyunki, let's stick to that. KZK might have raked in good TRPs, but ever since the 5th generation has arrived in Shanti Niketan, things have started going downhill and confusions, confusions, confusions...

Actually, Kyunki took a fresh new start with the arrival of L Kt, after all they were the next best thing to Karan-Nandani. You can check some polls here on this very forum to find that out. And the Trp's had also risen when they both were introduced on the show, so YES we can say the same about Lakshya and Kt. Further more, I will agree to whatever mz seductive said regarding your post.

Rutumodi, I read most of your posts and I felt that you were emphasising more on the fact that Kyunki should end rather than 'generation leaps are not required'. Why so?

Generation Leaps are definitely not a requirement

What's this? here you're saying that generation leaps are not required and then you say...

Generation Leaps are definatly NOT always required...

So you're somewhat yourself in favour of generation leaps! otherwise you wouldn't have added the 'always'. End of matter! 😃

Originally posted by: mz.seductive

Confusing line - P.E.A.

P.E.A stands for Please Elaborate Appropriately =)

[quote]So you're somewhat yourself in favour of generation leaps! otherwise you wouldn't have added the 'always'. End of matter! [/quote]

Yes,I did say that they are not always required.But,if I said that they were NEVER required...that would be taking it too far and plus, it's my opinion. All you did was look at one thing I said and ignore the rest of it? Instead of emphasizing on one thing,why don't you try and post a rebuttle to my posts!? 😛

Anu--Will post a reply to everything in a bit. 😊

[quote=Anu]Ansh did not want revenge - He wanted Nandini. And yes, a man losing his marbles, even after being apologized to, because of being falsely accused is new to me. That storyline has not been used before.
In case of the 1st generation leap, everyone had a storyline they were involved in right until Ansh's track. Then Balaji focused only on Tulsi-Ansh-Karan-Nandini bringing in the rest of the characters only as fillers. But soon after he died, things went back to normal - meaning everyone had a special storyline they were involved in. In case of the 2nd generation leap, Abhir, Bhumi, Joydeep and Archita are part of the new generation, too, and their plot is working pretty well and it's going to mature Bhumi as a person by teaching her looks aren't everything. It will also mature Archita and Joydeep as people by teaching them not to be so gullible and/or vulnerable. And perhaps, it shall also teach Abhir not to mess with the Virani's[/quote]

Ansh and Eklavya are both evil! Is that not enough? Like father like son, in this case. Something new would have been to show Eklavya NOT loosing his marbles and having some sense. But did that ever happen? Uh, No! According to Ekta, genetics are everything and that's another thing that always happens after a leap. The children end up being more like how their biological parents are rather than how they are raised. Maybe if there was something new, like kids not always ending up the same way… leaps would be acceptable, but too bad that's not the way things are. So, according to me, that's another reason why leaps are NOT needed. It just makes the show more and more illogical and stupid.

These are all just predictions you are making hun. You do not know all this for real. What if all this does not happen? What if it stays exactly the same as it is now? Wouldn't you have to agree then that Kyunki was better of without this leap?

Originally posted by: -xx-Roohani-xx-

[quote]End of story. You agreed to what I was trying to say. Oh, and I'd really appreciate if words were not put into my mouth. I said the overall idea may be similar not that the overall idea was the same.[/quote] OK.I may be putting 'words into your mouth' but at least I don't pick on you even though I know what you meant.*ehem* And by that I mean, 'So,I belive that Kyunki is better off with always having leaps', you know I meant that Kyunki is better off WITHOUT always having leaps. Actually, yes…It is possible for a show to progress without having any leaps at all. Take a show like 'Friends' for example, it was one of the most hit shows and survived without ANY leaps at all. Now, you might argue that the show is completely different from KSBKBT, but it's still a show people watch on TV and ran for more years than Kyunki and ended with such grace. Smriti can play someone older than her, but there is a difference between doing a role of a person who is 10, 20 or even 30 years older than you. But Smriti is playing someone who is more than 30 years older than her. She may pull it off, but I would much rather see her play someone around her own age. And I am sure many other people would too. Well, in my honest opinion, I think a soap opera can continue without having any leaps at all.

As you have given the example of friends, i want to point out that friends was a soap opera based on more than one person or couple as you might have it. KSBKBT's main focus is on Tulsi whereas Friends focus was on the friends. KSBKBT cannot be expected to go on for so long with the focus on one character without leaps. With the leaps we had Ansh, Raj Bhasin, Abhir and many more other characters who helped balance out Tulsi's role. And as for Smriti playing a old woman, there are many other actors who are doing the same i.e. Jay Kapoor as Kasamh Se's Jai Walia. This age difference is of no concern. Smriti IS playing a younger woman in Virrudh. This age difference is necessary to soaps bacause they help us to differentiate between the older characters and the younger one's.

Originally posted by: -xx-Roohani-xx-

Ansh and Eklavya are both evil! Is that not enough? Like father like son, in this case. Something new would have been to show Eklavya NOT loosing his marbles and having some sense. But did that ever happen? Uh, No! According to Ekta, genetics are everything and that's another thing that always happens after a leap. The children end up being more like how their biological parents are rather than how they are raised. Maybe if there was something new, like kids not always ending up the same way… leaps would be acceptable, but too bad that's not the way things are. So, according to me, that's another reason why leaps are NOT needed. It just makes the show more and more illogical and stupid.

These are all just predictions you are making hun. You do not know all this for real. What if all this does not happen? What if it stays exactly the same as it is now? Wouldn't you have to agree then that Kyunki was better of without this leap?

Actually Eklavya was not always evil as his father Ansh. If you're talking about genetics then why is it that Ansh did not inherit his mother Tulsi's greatness? Eklavya was shown evil to put Laksh in a better light. As i might recall aroung about the time when KT got engaged to Laksh quite a few people felt sorry for Eklavya. This change in character was crucial to KSBKBT as this showed how Tulsi went to mental hospital. The change in Ekalvya would not have come was it not needed.

Originally posted by: -xx-Roohani-xx-

[quote=Pop Princess]Yes we get to see some new actors whom many of us develop crushes on. But i disagree with you saying we do not have new storylines. New actors are given storylines according to their characters. As Laksh and KT are in a romantic light they are given storylines to do with love and seperation,etc. Even with Tusli we expect storylines that show good winning over evil. This is where i emphasis my point on leaps being necessary to the serial. The leaps bring in the kind of freshness which balances everything out. They cause excitement and anticipation among the viewers. At the end of the day we viewers want our entertainment. When we sit down in front of the T.V we want to become totally involved in the serial. This happens because of leaps.[/quote]

What new storylines have you seen? The Rape?The Love Triangles?Tulsi fighting for justice? Eklavya wanting revenge just like his father? Do any of these plots seem new to you? Leaps may cause an initial excitement, because it bring something new at the beggining, but the creative team has to bring new stories as well as new faces to keep the show going, because how long are people going to watch simply because of new characters?

May i point out that yes i have seen new storylines. For example, Abhir-bhoomi initially started as lovers which then turned out to be a triangle with Joydeep. Now the storyline has progressedd to Abhir marrying Archita and having an affair with Bhoomi. THIS storyline is completely original. Yes, Eklavya's storyline is original as well. He has taken revenge for different reasons to his dad. You cannot say these storylines have been repeated because thay are different to previous ones.