Originally posted by: roo
OK.I may be putting 'words into your mouth' but at least I don't pick on you even though I know what you meant.*ehem* And by that I mean, 'So,I belive that Kyunki is better off with always having leaps', you know I meant that Kyunki is better off WITHOUT always having leaps.
Okay, forget that I know you. How do you know that I know what you meant? You had at the very least a hour to check your post, and state in an accompanying post what you actually meant. Don't blame me. I simply pointed out what you said.
Originally posted by: roo
Actually, yes…It is possible for a show to progress without having any leaps at all. Take a show like 'Friends' for example, it was one of the most hit shows and survived without ANY leaps at all. Now, you might argue that the show is completely different from KSBKBT, but it's still a show people watch on TV and ran for more years than Kyunki and ended with such grace. Smriti can play someone older than her, but there is a difference between doing a role of a person who is 10, 20 or even 30 years older than you. But Smriti is playing someone who is more than 30 years older than her. She may pull it off, but I would much rather see her play someone around her own age. And I am sure many other people would too. Well, in my honest opinion, I think a soap opera can continue without having any leaps at all.
Like Rutu said, we are talking about Kyunki, so let's stick to that but if you really want me to reply, Friends had TEN seasons in TEN years while Kyunki only had 2 generation leaps in 7 years. I said in my opening statement, in US, shows go on seasonal breaks for renovation. If seasonal breaks were allowed in India, then definitely Kyunki would not require any leaps but this is not the case. Due to the commercial aspect, seasonal breaks are not allowed therefore, soap operas must resort to generation leaps. Far more years? Three years is definitely not "far more years". Might I add that, this debate is not about Kyunki ending with grace – it is about generation leaps and whether they are required or not. Okay, if she can play the role, why do you have qualms? There is definitely going to be someone who has to play an older character so why can't that someone be Smriti? People have already seen her playing her age in the beginning of Kyunki, Virrudh and TSZTSA. So if you want to see her playing someone her own age, try watching the shows mentioned.
Originally posted by: roo
Just because I said that things happened fast, that did not imply that I wanted things to move slowly. Now see, you are putting words into my mouth. Now things are happening slowly and according to me and many other people, it's not very entertaining to watch. Again I say, the stories may not have been exactly the same but the overall idea was the SAME. Why have a leap, when there is nothing more but new faces to offer?
Here's what you said. I personally feel that the first leap was good. So far so good. You said you felt the leap was good then you said But in the first leap,all these things happend fast and early. So, first you said you felt the first leap was good BUT it was fast and early. Meaning you were pointing out a glitch in the leap. I did not put words in your mouth. Merely restated what you said in a different manner. So what if the overall idea was the same? Here I go off-topic: Friends, the show you mentioned was so good and all that, had the same overall idea throughout all seasons so when you are okay with that, what is wrong with it happening in Kyunki? Again, give particular examples of when there was a leap and "nothing more but new faces were offered".
Originally posted by: roo
Yes, they were both shown in the first generation leap, but weren't they there before it too? She faced Payal before and then AGAIN the in first leap. Is that not repetition? In the first leap, she faced many people, but let's take the second generation leap for example… Tanya, Tripti and Damini were all there before the second generation leap, were they not? And it would have been possible for Tulsi to face them even if the second leap wouldn't have taken place. There were so many other difficulties and obstacles Tulsi could have come across, even if the leaps wouldn't have taken place. Adding a bit more creativity to Kyunki would have done it good…and could have carried on without ANY leaps at all.
She never really faced Payal, pre-leaps, one-on-one. Payal wanted to enter Virani house to destroy it. After first leap, Payal wanted to separate Vishal-Shobha. Sure enough, Tanya, Tripti and Damini were present pre-leap, however, she has a conflict with Tanya, Tripti and Damini because of their grown up children. Also, she was a tad bit too busy with Mihir to face Tripti. You said a lot more obstacles Tulsi would have come across but she can't be the same age forever. The point is for all these seven years, Tulsi JUST COULDN'T be the same age, otherwise we would only see a not-fully matured Tulsi trying to face problems she normally wouldn't until she was older. It would be like a child trying to be an adult. And anyways, creativity could be added to generation leaps as well. The serial shows different phases of Tulsi and how she deals with her dilemmas in each phase.
Originally posted by: roo
Again, you are putting words into MY mouth. I said, how long can a show run on ONE couple? And this is in regards to the second leap. There is nothing fresh to offer in this leap except for a few fresh faces. And a show cannot last very long on just that. And, the story before the first and second leap was going well, even without all the 'fresh' faces, because all the plots were new and interesting. Now, there is NOTHING else but 'new faces' to offer. That is what I was saying. And I must say, new characters can be added without having 'a leap', don't you think?
People may love them, but how much longer are people going to love them simply because of their 'appearance' or whatever? WHAT evidence do I have? I mean, isn't it obvious? I guess not to you, but maybe you should take a look at the Kyunki forum. It used to be so fun and vibrant, but look at what has happened to it in the past few months…it has reached an all time low. So many people who used to visit this section before, never or rarely ever visit anymore. I personally hardly ever watch it and a lot of other people I know (whose name I refuse to take without their permission) have quit watching it, simply because of what has been going on after the leap. Bhoomi and Lakshya-KT. Is that really your answer for why the leap is good.
First off, I did not put words into your mouth. I did not say YOU said "How long can a show run on few people?" I used your sentence "How long a serial is going to run on ONE couple?" which actually favored my argument. You said how long can a show run on ONE couple – I said how long can a show run on few people? The sentences are similar so blame yourself for giving it to me not me for twisting your words against you. How does this story not have anything new to offer? Please be specific. Ganga creating her own identity – has that happened before in this serial? I think no. As much as I disapprove of incest, I cannot deny that this is probably the first time incest has been shown on prime time. Karan misjudging his mother HAS to be a first. He usually agreed with her. Sure enough, new characters of any age can be added without the leap but how can many outsiders can they add? How many more illegitimate children can there be? How many more sauts can they have? We need new characters of younger age whose ideas clash with Tulsi's.
I think you would be surprised to know the figures. Oh, so you call Tanya bashing "vibrant"? Plus, since exams have been going on, people would rather study than visit IF. Also, the fact that some people like to go to vacation affects how many discussions are put up. You are quick to point that people have quit watching the show, but haven't people also started watching it? I know a LOT of people who started watching Kyunki after the second leap. Might I remind you that, we aren't discussing if the leap is good or not – it is whether it is required or not. Why I think the leap is good or bad is irrelevant to the debate. You said the new generation can't act and I simply debated on that point.
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