Debate Championship Rnd 2: Closed!!! - Page 2

How different are the stories? Aren't they still hooked, cooked and booked after the generation leap? Just brining in fresh faces does not gaurantee a fresh story. Nandini gets raped, KT gets raped. Ansh wanted revenge, Eklavya wants revenge. Karan lost his love, Lakshya lost his love.

And, whenever Kyunki has taken a leap, we come back to Tulsi fighting for justice in a round-about manner anyway. So, if the focus is always going to stay on Tulsi, what's the point of leaps? If the story is not going to be changed, I see no point in introducing new faces every now and then.[/quote]

Nandini and KT did get raped but the circumstances and the reasons were completely different. Eklavya wants to avenge his father's death, Ansh wanted to get Nandini. Karan never spoke up while Lakshya was tricked into being sent away. The overall idea may be similar but the circumstances were completely different.

The point of is – you cannot keep Tulsi a certain age forever. People would have eventually got fed up of a zesty Tulsi bopping here and there, dropping gulal on her husband, fighting Mandira and arguing with her MILs. Generation leaps showed a new face of Tulsi – as a mother and how she overcame her obstacles. It showed a more mature Tulsi and shed light on Tulsi's phase as a mother and now as a grand-mother.

[quote]New plot lines? Do we really get to see that in Kyunki? [/quote]

How do we not get to see new plot lines? With the first leap, did we not see unexpected twists? Karishma being a total drug addict, Harsh being Raj and Kesar's son, Shobha marrying Payal's son, Ansh being a total psycho, Nandini-Karan romance, Gujral's death, Savita's euthanasia, Tulsi being sent away from her house and finding KT. The second generation leap: Bhumi having a crush on her aunt's boyfriend – was that a copy of an old storyline? Archita marrying Abhir, who may be her uncle – was that copied from a previous plot? Plus, the leap has just begun. The first leap lasted for around about 4 years and had so much action filled in – who is to guarantee that the second leap won't be as action filled?

[quote]They showed everything and they still do. Mainly due to generation leaps, the main focus gets shifted to irrelevant things and makes the show more and more confusing by each passing day.[/quote]

For a serial like Kyunki which runs for 7 years, leaps are a requirement. There will come a point when Balaji will run out of stories to show on Tulsi. How long can they show Mandira? Or Payal? Generation leaps bring a new set of people who Tulsi challenges.

[quote]Can we say the same about KT and Lakshya? Since we are talking about Kyunki, let's stick to that. KZK might have raked in good TRPs, but ever since the 5th generation has arrived in Shanti Niketan, things have started going downhill and confusions, confusions, confusions... [/quote]

I beg to differ. KT and Lakshya do have their share of detractors but in the beginning of the 2^nd leap, this was not so. They had more admirers than detractors. The plots were interesting as everyone was fed up with Meera and wanted Tulsi to come back into SN. Sure enough, the serial faced its downfall, but which serial hasn't? Plus, Balaji is getting the TRPs, is it not? It should be clear that Balaji is only interested in running a factory that produces TRPs and brings in money. The TRP factor is very well taken care of. Below are examples of TRP ratings garnered by the 5^th generation:

The week of June 29 and a week before that: https://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8003/250620061470077kb.jp g

TRPs for the week of 20^th June: https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/kyunki-saas-bhi-kabhi-bahu-thi/311734/trp-4-4-6-06-10-6-06-ksbkbt-no-1

Originally posted by: mz.seductive

[COLOR=Blue]Generation Leaps are required.

It has become the trait of television, that when serials wane in their overall rating, a generation leap followed by the entry of fresh faces often becomes the order of the day. Ekta started the generation leap trend by triggering them in Kyunki, Kahaani, Kasauti, Kesar etc. Kumkum and Bhabhi followed the trend. So, it is obvious the trend was not a failure.

Originally posted by: mz.seductive

[COLOR=Blue]Generation leaps are welcome signs of relief from a story that has been hooked, cooked and booked countless times. The television industry heavily relies on generation leaps because even the most fanatic viewer will one day lose interest. After all, how long can a viewer watch the same person and their problems again and again? Refreshment is provided by generation leaps. We get to see the point of view of a younger generation, the difference between new generation and the old generation and most importantly – the clash of the ideas of the generations.

Originally posted by: mz.seductive

[COLOR=Blue]Over here in America, weekly shows get seasonal breaks. Unfortunately this is not how it works in India. Commercial aspect does not allow the production house to do so. Therefore, to renovate the serial from time to time generation leaps are required as they bring, with them, new plot lines which help develop the over all idea, as in Tum Bin Jaoon Kahan[main concept was reincarnation] or to keep the story flowing, as seen in Kyunki Saas…

Originally posted by: mz.seductive

[COLOR=Blue]The television industry flourishes on this vigorous and efficient method – so do people who are struggling for a chance to enter the world of glitzy shows. Generation leaps have brought forth actors such as Manoj Bohra, Tina Parekh who not only have immense talent but are also capable to keep a show running. For example, in KZK, the generation leap brought Manoj Bohra, who quickly won the hearts of millions and raked in surprisingly good TRPs – whereas before the leap, KZK was slowly losing its lustre and failed to elicit TRPs.

i agree that generation leaps have brought up many grate actors and they did won heart of million people. [for wxample i'm pulkit deewani] when there is a leap taken we get to see some new actors and new people but what about a new story? if they can bring new actors in the show then where is the new story?

Pari

Yes we get to see some new actors whom many of us develop crushes on. But i disagree with you saying we do not have new storylines. New actors are given storylines according to their characters. As Laksh and KT are in a romantic light they are given storylines to do with love and seperation,etc. Even with Tusli we expect storylines that show good winning over evil. This is where i emphasis my point on leaps being necessary to the serial. The leaps bring in the kind of freshness which balances everything out. They cause excitement and anticipation among the viewers. At the end of the day we viewers want our entertainment. When we sit down in front of the T.V we want to become totally involved in the serial. This happens because of leaps.

Originally posted by: Roohizie

Ok,the circumstances might have been diffrent,but you yourlseldf said that the overall idea was the same. But it's still repetition,is it not? After a leap, the same idea is always shown.It is definatly possible to come up with new ideas,but in Kyunki's case,that is rarely ever done.So,I belive that Kyunki is better off with always having leaps.Specially if there is nothing new to offer. [/quote]

End of story. You agreed to what I was trying to say. 😛 Oh, and I'd really appreciate if words were not put into my mouth. I said the overall idea may be similar not that the overall idea was the same.


[quote]Yes,it is a good thing to show Tulsi mature,but it's so much better seeing her as a mother or just a wife.Seriously,a woman in her 30s being shown as a grand-mother and maybe even a great grandmother soon? The show has only been running for 7 years,not 17.And in my opinion, 7 years is not that long to show so many leaps.And does it make any sense for them to show an old lady still not being trusted after always truning out right?Can't they come up with something new? [/quote]

So you'd rather see her bopping here and there, throwing gulal on her husband, chasing Mandira and Payal away, fighting with her MILs for seven years than have a new variety of characters involved in separate storylines? 😛 I still believe Smriti is Tulsi so whatever is being said is said keeping her in mind. Sure Smriti's near 32 but is Hiten not older than her by four years? If he can play love-sick teenage characters on TV why can't SHE play characters older than her age? Is there some rule which states an actress can only play her age? I think not. You have to agree, whatever age Smriti may be, she played the character of Tulsi to the hilt. So if she can pull it off, why should anyone else have any qualms seeing her act as a character older than her age? So many leaps? It's only been 2. Seven years is long enough to show 2 leaps, in my honest opinion.

[quote]Yes,you are right.The first leap showed alot of new interesting plots.And I personally feel that the first leap was good.But in the first leap,all these things happend fast and early.But is the same thing happening with this one? Everything is being repeated and streched and the story is moving along so slowly,there is very little hope for some new and exciting to happen[/quote]

Let's get this straight. You believe things happened "fast" in the first leap which implicates you wanted things to happen slowly and now when things are happening slowly, you say it's being too slow? 😕 I am bewildered. Repeated? I beg to differ. What storyline has been repeated? Ripped from frame to frame? None, I believe.

[quote]It is possible for Tulsi to face many challenges withot they're being leaps. Mandira and Payal were shown in just one generation.Then,Eklavya,Ansh,Aditya Gujral and Meera.And even after the second leap, she is now dealing with the same people from the past generation.Expect for maybe Bhoomi and Abhir,what other new characters has she come in conflict with? [/quote]

Don't you see the point? Tulsi simply cannot be a certain age for seven years. Actually, Payal and Mandira were both shown in the 1st generation leap. Mandira was then changed into Priyanka - Kiran's fiancee and Payal had married Pratap Mehra, an old man who was paralyzed. Tulsi also faced Karan and Gautam, her own sons, Damini, Mohini and Raj Bhasin in the first generation leap. Not to mention, Savita was her enemy at home. In the 2nd generation leap, I think you are forgetting MacBeth's witches: Tanya, Tripti and Damini. She has never faced these people before. Nor has she faced Lakshya or KT - it may be recalled that these two dupes were extremely pissed at her because of their own mistakes.

[quote]KT and Lakshya sure enough had and have many admireres.But how long is a show going to run on ONE couple? At the beggining,Lakshya had many fans and so did KT, but soon after that...they both started to lose thier fans.After the viewers realised that they lacked good acting skills and were a bad choice for Kyunki.People were fed up of Meera,but Kyunki still had all its viewers, especially because of her acting.Everyone loved to hate her. As I said,no matter how 'fed up' people were,they continued to watch Kyunki.But it's more than obvious now that Kyunki has lost alot of it's viewers and the reason being repetition,and the 'fresh' new faces not having the abilities to act and capture the audience's attention.

Exactly my point, mate. How long is a show going to run on a few people? 😛 New characters are need, which serve as foils to the script and help develop the main characters. I'm the first to admit that Mouni and Pulkit lack acting skills but so what? People love them, regardless. What evidence do you have to back that Kyunki has lost viewers? Tell me, have you seen Bhumi on-screen? How can you say she doesn't capture the audience's interest? or that she can't act?

[quote=Roo]As Rutu and Pari mentioned before, most of the time in a generation leap, there is nothing much fresh exept for maybe fresh faces. The story always repeats itself.And it's more than obvious.Like Nandani got raped,then KT got raped. Also the whole,never getting who you love thing.Most of the time the women still work at home while the men go the office.

Anu,you said how the leaps show a diffrent's generations way of thinking,but they still think the same way.Sure,some of them may want to be thier own person,but the majority still have the same thinking pattern. [/quote]

[quote=George Santayana]"Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them."[/quote]

Virani's are one of a kind. They never learn from their mistakes. They put way too much trust in their sons that it is way too much for them to even imagine they'd rape someone. This may be one reason why the rape incident was repeated. Mark Twain also said "History repeats itself" so what is wrong if this formula is applied to the show?

C'mon!! We are talking India, where most people like to think conservatively. The children usually believe their ideas are correct while the adults stick to their tune. There is this thing called "generation gap". It is a fact that most kids like to think differently from their parents – the biggest example being the clash of the Baby Boomers and their parents, G.I. generation.

[quote=Roo]Refreshment?Yeah right.Especially with the latest leap.There is nothing refreshing about it.The one before it may have been good, but don't you think the latest generation leap was NOT required and for numereous reasons? Like,so much of the past has been unsolved and many of the new actors are one of the worst Kyunki has ever had? For Example,Mouni. [/quote]

No, this leap was meant to happen and it has been pretty ok so far. What of the past has been unsolved? Please try to be specific. Only on the point of Mouni do I agree with you. She is horrible but then again, she is liked a lot, isn't she? If she was replaced, itwould be a hard pill for some people to swallow.

[quote=Roo]Yeah rightt,after the latest leap...how many people have quit watching Kyunki,how many people only have negetive things to say about the show,how many people agree that this leap has simply repeated everything that happend to Karan,Nandani and that whole generation? I think Everyone! [/quote]

So what if people have quit watching Kyunki? Does Balaji not get what they want through generation leaps? TRPs is what they want and that's what they get so how should it matter to them if ABC like the leap or not if ABC are glued to it? There is a difference between what you think and what is the fact. I think Virrudh is a great show which should have more TRPs than Kyunki. Hardly makes that fact. Plus, you asked "how many people have quit watching Kyunki?" and then you said "everyone". Well, if everyone has quit watching Kyunki after the latest leap, as you say, then where do the TRPs come from? To quote myself:

[quote=I]The week of June 29 and a week before that: https://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8003/250620061470077kb.jp g

TRPs for the week of 20^th June: https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/kyunki-saas-bhi-kabhi-bahu-thi/311734/trp-4-4-6-06-10-6-06-ksbkbt-no-1 [/quote]

Originally posted by: pari213

i know that it's trait of television but, in generation leap it's nothing much then repeating the story. In every generation leap story have repeated. for example, karan-nandini and laksh-kt. everything happened same. if there was a new story to a generation, i agree but in every serial the history repeats again and again. [/quote]

Erm. Did you simply rephrase what Rutu said? Anyhow, between KT-Laksh and Karan-Nandini there are many differences:

• Before marriage, LKTconfessed their love to each other; KN never confessed their love.
• K never let N know that he loved her; L told KT he loved her.
• K pretended to be with Tanya; L never as much looked at Saniya.
• N was raped by her husband; KT was raped by her would-be brother-in-law.
• N was strong; KT isn't.
• KT-L were dupes to be fooled (KT into marrying E and L into chasing "Ganga"); KN were sacrificial (K sacrificed N because of Tulsi; N sacrificed K because of her grand-father.)

Want more?

On the note of history repeating itself, I quote myself😉:

[quote=I][quote=George Santayana]"Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them."[/quote]

Virani's are one of a kind. They never learn from their mistakes. They put way too much trust in their sons that it is way too much for them to even imagine they'd rape someone. This may be one reason why the rape incident was repeated. Mark Twain also said "History repeats itself" so what is wrong if this formula is applied to the show? [/quote]

[quote]you said that how long viewer will watch the same person again and again, well how long can viewer watch the same story repeating again and agian? Everyone wants to see something new day by day. New people, new serials but, there should be a new hot twist too and if not then they should stop taking the generation leap. It's like no point of it if same thing is going to happene again. [/quote]

Like I told Roohani, be specific about the repeats of storyline. New hot twists do not just apply to generation leaps. If there is no "new 'hot' twist" in a serial, we should end it, right? Confusing line - P.E.A.

[quote]KSBKBT story is totally not flowing in the air these days. Before it used to be the first higher rated show but now it no longer belongs higher rated, as the story is so boring and repeating. Virrudh is even rated higher than KSBKBT.

If u ask anyone, are enjoying KSBKBT these days? i'm sure that most of the answers will be NO. [/quote]

Kyunki still is on "air" 😛 and what evidence do you have to back that claim of yours that Kyunki is not a "high rated show". The most recent TRPs tell a different story: https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/kyunki-saas-bhi-kabhi-bahu-thi/653608/tuesday-trp-1

Again, I quote myself: [quote=I]Does Balaji not get what they want through generation leaps? TRPs is what they want and that's what they get so how should it matter to them if ABC like the leap or not if ABC are glued to it? [/quote]

[quote]
i agree that generation leaps have brought up many grate actors and they did won heart of million people. [for wxample i'm pulkit deewani] when there is a leap taken we get to see some new actors and new people but what about a new story? if they can bring new actors in the show then where is the new story?[/quote]

I agree with what my team mate said. But I would like to add one thing to the bolded sentence: At the end of the day we viewers want our entertainment and the production house wants the TRPs.

Good to see more blue, Pop Princess!!😊