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Posted: 7 years ago

#371

@gt2918 First of all beautiful post and my sincere apologies if you are offended by any of my posts, my rant that the series is fiction was not because of role reversal track but the series in general because of the other illogical things which they have shown, if you read my posts my disappointment was for how the series from being a realistic one has become unrealistic especially post leap, hope that clears my stand on the Role reversal track.
To elaborate I have mentioned quite a few times that the role reversal track would is absolutely fine until they made the whole thing about how one partner has to sacrifice his/her dreams so as to take care of the kids and for me that was an issue. At least in my opinion they did not have to drill the message of sacrifice, as @SHAAVI has said it is a compromise which one has to make not sacrifice. Hope I was able to convey my message.

Again just my POV and apologies if anyone is offended.

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Uttara1112

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Posted: 7 years ago

#372

"I wonder if those who manage their profession should not be considered to be in love with their children. Yes. That is the new in thing for sure."

Good point and yes, I agree abt the post- letting Vicky back in thing. Actually I felt that DEv shld not have let Vicky back in at all. Finally the useless man was actually doing something on his own. Why did they ruin it? I think if the show had been allowed to take its natural progression we wud never have seen Vicky come back. Just bcos they wanted to wrap up in a hurry and had to have that family picture, we saw him come up with a half baked senti dialogue and apology that Dev also accepted in a moment on absolute insanity.

Absolutely illogical to believe that this Vicky who was saying "aap apne liya aisa (tera bhai mar gaya) kyun keh rahe ho" was the same man who not only sent men to beat up this same brother, but waited right there watching him getting thrashed and only left after making sure that DEv was on the ground and in no condition to defend himself. And he did not call off the attack after that too, tho he said that he only wanted Dev injured so that he would stay out of office for a few days. He had no problem if Dev was beaten to death there.

And then this darling little brother landed up back in the house, all bcos the show had to be concluded, I'm sure of that😕.

And this "I am not enthusiastic to watch what all Shaavi predicted.. Especially today's predictions.. That he will be mocked at.. And will be compared with Bengalis..

The great Sonakshi validating his performance as her husband.. Not interested.

CVs have ruined my Dev Dixit... "

Eeep, I don't want to watch anything like this either. I do want to see Sonakshi stand up for Dev not bcso he needs the help but she will redeem herself in my eyes as having finally acknowledged that Dev is not someone that she has honed and shaped into a better human being. I hated that speech that she gave bcos she 'gave' him the coveted title of 'best husband, best dad' etc. Just cudnt get why so many ppl raved abt that speech. I found it very, very condescending.

From yest's epi, I think I might see at least one scene where Sona blasts her brother and others for talking rot abt Dev. I will be (sort of) happy with that bcos I dont think I can expect a proper re-emergence of the Dev I love.

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Lavanya

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Posted: 7 years ago

#373

Originally posted by: ltelidevara
JALK

I said Dev did not let Vikky and Elena take care of Golu.. that is after they were again allowed into Iswari Nivas. Not since the birth of Golu. Why? When they lived separately they did do a good job. They sent Golu to school,Vikky spent time with him even Golu looked so happy in their company.

So why should they not continue their bit and handle their own child? They offered a couple of times but Dev refused. I did not find it advisable. When they lived apart Dev reconciled with the fact that Golu belonged to his parents. Now why is he doing it overboard?

I know Elena is not happy with Dev handling the school situation. Tomorrow she will surely blame Dev for the mess that Golu let himself in.

And about the role reversal. Yes Iswari thought if she refuse to extend her hand Sonakshi will stay at home though unwillingly. But her idea flopped miserably as she got to see her son,the fruit of her hard work and penance slog at home taking the role of his lifetime." The House Husband" I wonder if those who manage their profession should not be considered to be in love with their children. Yes. That is the new in thing for sure.

So I would say Sonakshi doesn't have enough love for her kids to stay at home. How would it sound? All Sonakshi admirers will tear me apart if I say so. No no. She is committed to her work,her brother this that so many excuses galore...

But Dev should take the mantle of house husband to prove his love for his kids,his wife ...

Let his flourishing business empire scatter into pieces..Never mind.

Let his smartness,his zeal his love for his profession go in drain..never mind.

Let Iswari communications owner no longer sit among his equals the business tycoons of India never mind.
Let Vikky throw his hard earned success turn into a nightmare..never mind.

I stress I repeat it is too difficult to achieve the position that Dev reached in his life. But it is very easy to smash it..in one minute.

I am not enthusiastic to watch what all Shaavi predicted.. Especially today's predictions.. That he will be mocked at.. And will be compared with Bengalis..

The great Sonakshi validating his performance as her husband.. Not interested.

CVs have ruined my Dev Dixit... He is doomed... Iswari Dixit my sympathies are always with you. What all you are made to witness in the last phase of your life..

Lakshmi

@Bold-How does that work ? I mean if there are two ways to do a particular thing and I do it in one way it dosen't automatically imply that I am demeaning the other way/method.

In a hypothetical situation,if Dev was managing both his business and household,would people say that he is demeaning all the house-husbands in the world ? Definitely not ! Similarly,if he is househusband,how does it automatically imply that they are demeaning the couples who decide to manage work and household simultaneously ?

@Red-Is that really happening ? At the start of the post-leap phase,we saw that Vicky was the CEO of Ishwari Enterprises.A CEO is the real executive head of the company.Why did people not object to that or rather why did they not criticise Dev for making a good-for-nothing guy as the CEO of his empire ? Even back then,Dev was fully aware of the kind of guy Vicky is.The IT fraud happened right under Dev's nose yet he had no idea about it.Even back then,Dev was hardly going to office at all.Was his empire not getting ruined back then ? The fact is that even though the IT fraud happened and Dev suffered losses but by and large he was still in control of his empire.

Cut to the present situation.Vicky isn't malicious and Dev too is in a much better frame of mind than he was at the start of the post-leap phase.If he was still pretty much in control of his business back then despite living a painful life,why do you feel that he would mess up this time when he is going through a much better phase in life ?

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Enlightened21

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Posted: 7 years ago

#374

Originally posted by: gt2918
Hello folks !

When this season started, @grace and @sp12 had rejected it saying that it was unrealistic and mere fiction.

@gt2918...I don't know from where you felt that I was totally against the role-reversal and I had said that it is totally unrealistic. How can I say so when I myself have male friends who have done this role-reversal successfully. Infact I was the first one to tell Lakshmi when the promo came that if Dev is doing this for his happiness let him do it, as afterall his happiness is what we value more. And I don't remember even sp12 saying that this is unrealistic. We both never said like that; instead what we expressed is that the way they made Dev take the decision is not correct. As Shaavi had pointed out, first day Dev's plans to manage everything with the help of all those at IN. But when that failed and when he saw Sona ready to leave her dream, only then he took this decision. And that too it was shown in a way that Dev wants to challenge the social norms. Yes, he said he had achieved everything in life and so he wants enjoy this phase. But adding to it, he said he wants to do this because he finds this challenging. It was never shown that they had taken this decision in partnership. If it was a mutual decision (as it was in the case of your parents) Sona should not be made to tell Ishwari everytime that she has given Dev one month time and let us see how he performs. Instead what she should be saying is that, Mujhe Dev par poora bharoosa hai; Hum Dev ko ye sab adjust hone tak thoda time dena chaahiye. Also, the makers/writers have not shown that Vicky has become capable of handling such a huge business; instead they purposely showed how Vicky failed in communicating with the new clients for which Dev has taken this much pain. Don't you think that it is suicidal if someone does that in real life? So, in this context what Dev did is unrealistic. Also, what was the need for the makers to show Dev taking over the whole house matters on the first day itself by sending Vicky-Elena on a short vacation; Mami-Ishwari to the temple leaving only Mamaji behind. Is this what happens in a joint family in real life? I don't think so.

Hope now you got the point on where we had the differences.

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Enlightened21

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Posted: 7 years ago

#375

Originally posted by: ltelidevara
JALK

I said Dev did not let Vikky and Elena take care of Golu.. that is after they were again allowed into Iswari Nivas. Not since the birth of Golu. Why? When they lived separately they did do a good job. They sent Golu to school,Vikky spent time with him even Golu looked so happy in their company.

So why should they not continue their bit and handle their own child? They offered a couple of times but Dev refused. I did not find it advisable. When they lived apart Dev reconciled with the fact that Golu belonged to his parents. Now why is he doing it overboard?

I know Elena is not happy with Dev handling the school situation. Tomorrow she will surely blame Dev for the mess that Golu let himself in.

And about the role reversal. Yes Iswari thought if she refuse to extend her hand Sonakshi will stay at home though unwillingly. But her idea flopped miserably as she got to see her son,the fruit of her hard work and penance slog at home taking the role of his lifetime." The House Husband" I wonder if those who manage their profession should not be considered to be in love with their children. Yes. That is the new in thing for sure.

So I would say Sonakshi doesn't have enough love for her kids to stay at home. How would it sound? All Sonakshi admirers will tear me apart if I say so. No no. She is committed to her work,her brother this that so many excuses galore...

But Dev should take the mantle of house husband to prove his love for his kids,his wife ...

Let his flourishing business empire scatter into pieces..Never mind.

Let his smartness,his zeal his love for his profession go in drain..never mind.

Let Iswari communications owner no longer sit among his equals the business tycoons of India never mind.
Let Vikky throw his hard earned success turn into a nightmare..never mind.

I stress I repeat it is too difficult to achieve the position that Dev reached in his life. But it is very easy to smash it..in one minute.

I am not enthusiastic to watch what all Shaavi predicted.. Especially today's predictions.. That he will be mocked at.. And will be compared with Bengalis..

The great Sonakshi validating his performance as her husband.. Not interested.

CVs have ruined my Dev Dixit... He is doomed... Iswari Dixit my sympathies are always with you. What all you are made to witness in the last phase of your life..

Lakshmi

Lakshmi...sorry if I hurt you...I can't stop 😆 after reading your above post. sach mein aap pre-leapwaala Ishwari se bhi obsessive nikaala. Sorry again.

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ltelidevara

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Posted: 7 years ago

#376

Hello. If you want to know who investigated the IT fraud and Vikky's hand behind it,it is Dev himself. He averted the mishap successfully.

Good for nothing guy happened to be CEO in fact entered Iswari Nivas because of Sonakshi. She is the one who stood by Vikky. Not Dev. Yes he controlled his business without going to office then he is not playing role reversal. He monitored his company from outside. He checked Vikky in time. He threw him out. But it is Sonakshi who is bent upon bringing him back. And she succeeded.

Now Vikky got the power to ruin the company because Dev no longer holds position.

There is a large difference between both.

Let the whole lot of viewers sing the praises of CVs including Shaavi. I won't. I am not happy to see my Dev like this. That's all

Lakshmi

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Uttara1112

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Posted: 7 years ago

#377

gt2918, Another couple of points that most of us, I believe, have issues with are these:

1) Why is it necessary for either parents to completely quit to take care of the child? Both can work and take turns caring. What they have been showing is that either you work and focus only on work or you chuck your career and take care of kids. So, this leads to the impression that ppl who work are doing so bcos they don't WANT to care for kids or they DON'T CARE enuff?? That's rot, plain and simple.

2) Role reversal cannot be successful unless both partners THINK of themselves are equally sharing the responsibility of the decision. Sona's inability and unwilligness to take responsibility for the decision that they both did take mutually (when did Dev ever force her out of the house??) badly ruined the message itself bcso it came across like this: Dev, tho he is incompetent (which he is not), is pressuring everyone to do things his way (which he did not do), so the man is not really capable but the woman is magnanimously indulging his fantasy???

I agree that is an exaggeration but there was surely a hint of trying to show SOna in the 'mahaan' light here also. Esp with ludicrous dialogues like the 'accept your failures' thing or her showing her displeasure about Dev in front of kids etc. And not to mention Sona keeping mum when Bijoy was ranting at Dev in front of kids instead of asking her dear Baba what the blazes he was doing standing outside school with kids instead of taking them home, like any sane person would have done. The portrayal was definitely not balanced and that's the grouse most of us have about the track, not at all the role reversal itself.

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Lavanya

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Posted: 7 years ago

#378

Originally posted by: grace4317

@gt2918...I don't know from where you felt that I was totally against the role-reversal and I had said that it is totally unrealistic. How can I say so when I myself have male friends who have done this role-reversal successfully. Infact I was the first one to tell Lakshmi when the promo came that if Dev is doing this for his happiness let him do it, as afterall his happiness is what we value more. And I don't remember even sp12 saying that this is unrealistic. We both never said like that; instead what we expressed is that the way they made Dev take the decision is not correct. As Shaavi had pointed out, first day Dev's plans to manage everything with the help of all those at IN. But when that failed and when he saw Sona ready to leave her dream, only then he took this decision. And that too it was shown in a way that Dev wants to challenge the social norms. Yes, he said he had achieved everything in life and so he wants enjoy this phase. But adding to it, he said he wants to do this because he finds this challenging. It was never shown that they had taken this decision in partnership. If it was a mutual decision (as it was in the case of your parents) Sona should not be made to tell Ishwari everytime that she has given Dev one month time and let us see how he performs. Instead what she should be saying is that, Mujhe Dev par poora bharoosa hai; Hum Dev ko ye sab adjust hone tak thoda time dena chaahiye. Also, the makers/writers have not shown that Vicky has become capable of handling such a huge business; instead they purposely showed how Vicky failed in communicating with the new clients for which Dev has taken this much pain. Don't you think that it is suicidal if someone does that in real life? So, in this context what Dev did is unrealistic. Also, what was the need for the makers to show Dev taking over the whole house matters on the first day itself by sending Vicky-Elena on a short vacation; Mami-Ishwari to the temple leaving only Mamaji behind. Is this what happens in a joint family in real life? I don't think so.

Hope now you got the point on where we had the differences.

@BOLD-I guess I need to clarify.I'm sorry that I didn't get my point across clearly in my post.I did not intend to say that you are against the role-reversal.
You and @sp12 had said that most couples decide to balance work and household simultaneously but in the show,it was portrayed in a way which you felt was unrealistic.That is why I gave those examples to suggest that one partner always staying at home and the other working does happen.

I'm sorry if I ended up confusing and offending you guys.

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Enlightened21

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Posted: 7 years ago

#379

Originally posted by: gt2918

@BOLD-I guess I need to clarify.I'm sorry that I didn't get my point across clearly in my post.I did not intend to say that you are against the role-reversal.
You and @sp12 had said that most couples decide to balance work and household simultaneously but in the show,it was portrayed in a way which you felt was unrealistic.That is why I gave those examples to suggest that one partner always staying at home and the other working does happen.

I'm sorry if I ended up confusing and offending you guys.

Bold - Then again you have got me wrong. My friend had to take that decision as they didn't stay with their parents or joint family and so he had to quit his job when his wife had to go overseas as part of her promotion. So, how can I tell that this is what happens in most families.

My convos was always w.r.to the situation Dev & Sona lives. In that context, they had lots of option. If they wanted to show this track of Dev as house-husband, then atleast they could have shown Ishwari on another Vaishno yatra and the Trixits living separately. And should have shown some scenes to take the audience into confidence that Vicky is capable of handling his business. That would have sounded more logical. Atleast that Vicky part if they had shown, we would not have felt this bad. Instead what was shown is, in the end of S1 Vicky returning the documents of his business too to Dev and in this season when Dev hands him over the responsibilty, Vicky himself is in doubt and later again we see he not properly handling the clients. So when all illogical things are shown together, it is difficult to digest everything. Just because we loved this show once, we can't always say wah wah for everything.

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Lavanya

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Posted: 7 years ago

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Originally posted by: ltelidevara
@Red-Is that really happening ? At the start of the post-leap phase,we saw that Vicky was the CEO of Ishwari Enterprises.A CEO is the real executive head of the company.Why did people not object to that or rather why did they not criticise Dev for making a good-for-nothing guy as the CEO of his empire ? Even back then,Dev was fully aware of the kind of guy Vicky is.The IT fraud happened right under Dev's nose yet he had no idea about it.Even back then,Dev was hardly going to office at all.Was his empire not getting ruined back then ? The fact is that even though the IT fraud happened and Dev suffered losses but by and large he was still in control of his empire.
Hello. If you want to know who investigated the IT fraud and Vikky's hand behind it,it is Dev himself. He averted the mishap successfully.

Good for nothing guy happened to be CEO in fact entered Iswari Nivas because of Sonakshi. She is the one who stood by Vikky. Not Dev. Yes he controlled his business without going to office then he is not playing role reversal. He monitored his company from outside. He checked Vikky in time. He threw him out. But it is Sonakshi who is bent upon bringing him back. And she succeeded.

Now Vikky got the power to ruin the company because Dev no longer holds position.

There is a large difference between both.

Let the whole lot of viewers sing the praises of CVs including Shaavi. I won't. I am not happy to see my Dev like this. That's all

Lakshmi

@Bold-There's a confusion.I'm not talking about the software fraud just before S2,I'm talking of the fraud which happened at the start of the post-leap phase.Sonakshi had discovered the fraud and Dev's office had been sealed for a couple of days.The IT officers had raided his office,remember ?

That fraud could not have happened in a day.It was something which was happening since quite a while but Dev did not have a clue so how do I conclude that he was managing his company to the best of his abilities ? He successfully averted the second fraud after the reunion because of the phase of life he was in.

Regarding Sona-You've taken the discussion in a different tangent.I totally agree with you that Sona wanting him back was very silly and I have never defended her for that.
However,it's not just Sona who was leniant towards Vicky.
In the initial episodes,Sona had caught GKB stealing money and she told everyone.Back then,Dev knew that Sona was telling the truth but he stayed quiet for maintaining peace in the family.When Vicky eloped with Elena,he had embezzled funds in the company,Dev was aware of that as well but he spared him.In general,Dev knew the kind of Vicky is so the point is that both the leads were pretty leniant towards Vicky as well as GKB.

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