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Posted: 7 years ago
Even I agree that writers are bringing out these issues for the heck of it. Show badhaana hai aage toh yeh Sab dikhaana hai. They hv no story left to show. S2 started out so well. If they had atleast completely focussed on role reversal track without ending it in 4-5 episodes, I guess it would've been better. Atleast better than dishing out one illogical track after the other. Their ideas are genuine, but they hv no time to execute all this. And clearly, no research has been done before penning down the episodes. I'm saying this coz I expect krpkab writers to do better than this. Nearly everything they are showing in S2 is half baked n rushed. Yesterday's episodes was heights. They are overlooking basic facts that children are given such expensive smartphones n are allowed to use them in school. Which school does this? Just for the sake of showing an 'issue' they are forcing illogical stuff to be shown. Suddenly out of the blue kids sit in a line and play on the phone in school and ignore Golu. Suddenly out of the blue Golu is more focussed on playing a game than on eating his breakfast. Before this when was Golu or Soha seen playing on their phones at the dining table?
The only saving grace of this show is Vidvaan. But sadly his screen time is also reducing day by day.

I somewhere agree with grace. Makers themselves don't want the show to extend further, even by chance at the end of 6 weeks. Hence they are making sure ppl don't protest again when the show ends.
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: LiveLife321

There is no doubt that this show is still the best one when compared to any other show. But when ever I say this the immediate question that comes to my mind is that Am I telling this to others or convincing myself? Because when ever I had complaints those were always with the writers and makers since I always compare the current episodes with initial 100 episodes. These guys had set a benchmark with the initial episodes so it's really hurting to compare this show with current crap and say that thank God, it's still better. Even today they have the same characters then what's the difference. I feel the difference is in the presentation of characters, narration and story execution. Even in the initial episodes also we saw the shades of ishwari's insecurities, they were relatable but later they turned this in to obsession for the sake of drama which was indigestible. Even in the initial episodes also we saw bijoy being unreasonable to Sourav but later they turned him into immature and unbearable for the sake of drama and the list goes on.


Post leap I lost connect with Sona but now I lost connect with the entire show, thanks to our amazing writers. For the first time I took one week break from this show. When I watched yesterday's episode after this break, I really enjoyed not because of the half baked story, because for a change I didn't saw any taunts or digs from his mom, didn't saw any blame game and yelling from his wife. In simple words to say, I saw him taking breath properly. I really lost connect with his mom's masoom expressions and his wife's mahaan actions so show him happy instead of deep frying him by this deadly saas-bahu combo, I will be a happy viewer.


@Bold-That was simple and straight to the point 👏

I am a TV buff and watch almost all popular shows on TV.There are numerous shows out there but despite of KRPK not living upto it's true potential currently,I still rate it as the best amongst the lot.The reason for that is pretty simple. 90% of shows have bizarre high voltage drama while KRPK has largely been portraying some very common and real-life topics.This has been the case ever since the show started.

The topics touched earlier were realistic and they are realistic even now,but the drop in the quality of execution is really hurting.On the face of it,if I tell someone that I watch a show which deals with topics like house husbands,reform in education system and tech addiction,that person would gladly say that I watch a real path-breaking show but then the execution hasn't been upto the mark.The topics selected are very good but the way it's been executed has been disappointing.

I absolutely loved the role reversal track and I felt that the execution too was superb (just my POV) but ever since then,it's gone downhill.

All in all,inspite of having really good topics to portray,it's the execution which has faltered.
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: ltelidevara

Latha

Well said. Yesterday SP12 commented that while the ideas belong to Dev why should the credit be given to Sonakshi who basked in the praising messages received from parents.




Lakshmi




Lakshmi, SP 12, one of the things from the beginning that Sonakshi thought, which was fueled by everyone and what even the viewers kind of understood too(makers tried to drill this fact) is that "Sonakshi is special and extraordinary. That she is very honest and truthful who knows right from wrong, but always does the right thing. One who had patience and all the virtues with no real vices. Kind of like a "perfect woman. But this is not reality. There is no "perfect woman.

Women are not some creatures who are fallen to earth from heaven. They are not angels and gods. I am not saying that they are not good people, but women are also at the end of the day "humans, just like men. They are flawed and faulty and have all the vices that a man has. Whatever shortcomings Bijoy has, Sonakshi has them too despite their gender difference. The way the media usually portrays women as some mahaan, saintly people is unreal. Like many have mentioned, the saasbahu atrocities. What they show in those serials are extremes too. Like the MIL is always a vamp who plans and plots against her DIL, while the DIL is like a lamb who bears everything. Not intended to hurt anyone, but women are shown as "victims most of the time or the women paint themselves that way.

With KRPKAB, they are asking do women have to play the victim card any time they don't get their way. When the nanny fiasco happened, Sonakshi so pompously told Dev to "accept his failures. But now is ready to take credit for someone else's idea. Till date she hasn't really accepted her failures. Why does women find it hard to accept that they are the writers too of their own life. Why do women talk about women empowerment and gender equality when they are not really ready for it. Women want seats reserved in buses, expect men to give up their seats citing gender. If you are talking about gender equality, isn't this opposite to that. You either ignore the gender and expect same treatment as a man receives or accept the gender and not crib about male privileges. You can get one of them, not both of them. The makers are using satire and saying why does a woman want it all and if so what is wrong with a man wanting it all.

From my perspective, they are showing the other side of the coin. That men are smart not just professionally, but personally too. That when women tell men that "you won't understand it, it is mostly because they don't completely understand either. The makers are saying what do women want. Why are they not happy with what they have. And if they are not happy and want what the other sex have, then are they ready to give up the advantages of being a woman. And I feel that women are not powerless. They are as powerful as men and don't have to play victim card to get what they want. Women are equal to men in every way. They are capable just like anybody.

There will always be some people, both men and women who are disadvantaged in society. If a DIL is being abused by her MIL, she is also abusing her son indirectly. If that son is callous, then he is a sadist, narcissist, psychopath or a sociopath. And women can have these traits too, even though it may be subtle. It is just human nature to be good or bad. Women are not inherently good nor men are inherently bad. The traits are something that develops with the child and related to the environment, what the child sees and learns. Gender is just one thing in the whole spectrum of defining a person. And for me that is what the makers are trying to show. Through Ishwari and Sonakshi, the makers are showing how wrong a woman can be. And how flawed a "perfect woman actually is.
Edited by Shaavi - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
Enjoyed the episode today... every day will be roller coaster for viewers as well, I guess...KRPKAB! 😆 My fav. part was that Sonakshi finally stood up for Dev and said mothers are not always right and get chances to learn!!! I was waiting to see this S1 Sonakshi back who used to question Ishwari, and today we got a glimpse of her!! However, given the unpredictable story telling, I am not sure if she will be like this for long... nevertheless, good to see her stand up for Dev! @Shaavi, your predictions about Viklena and Bose family seem to be coming true as well...lots of KRPKAB Diwali dhamaka ahead...
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Posted: 7 years ago
Best dialogue of today's episode --
Sona saying that just because we are mothers doesn't mean whatever decisions we make are always right. 😃 😃

The other highlight for me was Vickky saying that he is worried about theft happening at home. That even 4000Rs is important. Earlier when he didn't work hard to make money, he never really cared how much money he kind of threw away. He totally forgot all the thefts he and his mother did and today pointed finger at DK. Additionally maami who had put down Sonakshi and Ranveer as low class people and had pointed at Ranveer saying that he stole the watch, today defended DK and called him a family member.

I feel if in season 1, before leap, everyone just ran away from the consequences, this time around all of them are slowly trying to face the same. Dev and Ishwari have already done that. And up to certain extent Tri[ati's have started to realize that consequences do matter. Only Sonakshi and Boses are left to accept their fallacies and the negative consequences that arose from it. Sonakshi seems to be on the path from today's episode, but other Boses seem to be like behind her on that.

I for one am a satisfied viewer today. 😃
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: Shaavi

Best dialogue of today's episode --

Sona saying that just because we are mothers doesn't mean whatever decisions we make are always right.😃😃

The other highlight for me was Vickky saying that he is worried about theft happening at home. That even 4000Rs is important. Earlier when he didn't work hard to make money, he never really cared how much money he kind of threw away. He totally forgot all the thefts he and his mother did and today pointed finger at DK. Additionally maami who had put down Sonakshi and Ranveer as low class people and had pointed at Ranveer saying that he stole the watch, today defended DK and called him a family member.

I feel if in season 1, before leap, everyone just ran away from the consequences, this time around all of them are slowly trying to face the same. Dev and Ishwari have already done that. And up to certain extent Tri[ati's have started to realize that consequences do matter. Only Sonakshi and Boses are left to accept their fallacies and the negative consequences that arose from it. Sonakshi seems to be on the path from today's episode, but other Boses seem to be like behind her on that.

I for one am a satisfied viewer today.😃



Many might not agree but I am a bit lost after watching today's episode, while I loved that Sonakshi took a stand for Dev but I am actually surprised and not that convinced the way Dev is approaching the role reversal. I actually agree with Ishwari that nobody was judging Dev, all they wanted was to share the responsibilities as they are all one family and I do not find any wrong with that, I do not know what exactly Dev is trying to prove or achieve here, at the end of the day what is important is that the kids are taught the right things does not matter who does it. Also I found Dev's approach and reaction to the surprise test a bit casual, if it was only Golu getting less marks then I could understand his reaction as he generally scores less so expecting him to suddenly score more with the changed approach would be unfair, but Suhana scored less and that should have raised alarm bells in Dev's mind as herself said that she enjoys Surprise tests so her getting less marks should have alarmed Dev that something is wrong.

I somehow guess Asha is worried about something which she is not revealing as yesterday as well she wanted to say something to Sonakshi but could not and today as well her words to Dev were more that what met the eye. Also it will be interesting to see what happens in the Bose house especially with Saurav & Ronita's reaction now a days to situations. All in all today's episode left me with mixed feelings, guess need to wait for a couple of episodes to see where all this leads to.

Just my POV, apologies if anyone is offended.
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Posted: 7 years ago
I rewatched the episode and Golu reminded me of my personal experience with my son. Long ago when he was around 5 yrs old, we had enrolled him in a day care. It was a good one and things were ok for the first several months. I got pregnant and had some issues because of which I had to be hospitalized. Since we live in U. S, there was no one to really support us except our friends who did give us some support. But my husband had to majorly take the load. He had to keep working, taking care of our son as well as come to hospital everyday. Between all this, there was reduced attention on my son. After my hospital stay, when I came back home, I started to give attention to my son and that is when I noticed bruises on his leg as though some one had kicked him hard over and over and also of having hit him with something hard. And it was all over his both legs. I was appalled. When I went to talk to his teacher is when she told me that some of the kids in his class were engaged in playing "Power Rangers" game. Power Rangers is an american serial where teenagers are shown to fight bad guys. And that is what these kids were enacting. And for that they would make my son the bad guy and hit him. The teacher said that she had tried to stop them, but the kids still hid from her and played that game.

All this had happened in 2 - 3 months time. My son had changed from who he was. The first thing I did was take him off from that day care and enroll him in another one which was better. And then it took several months of positive reinforcement, unconditional love and patience from us towards him to change him. For him to let go of the habit he had picked from there. But am glad that we caught it in the early stages and were able to reverse the effects. Now I am happy with my son that he no longer gets into those kind of challenges anymore. He has now learnt to not give into peer pressure even when they make fun of him. He just walks away from them. I thank god for keeping him safe everyday. 😃.

Coming to KRPKAB, I have started to fear for Golu. Maamaji had once told maami that burning a house doesn't mean just pouring gas and lighting fire, it can also be figurative and mean destruction of a family. A few episodes ago when the role reversal first started, Vickky tells Elena that all he wants is to "win". Today Golu said the same thing, that he will show the other kids by "winning" and crossing more levels than them. I feel he will do something really stupid which will land him in big trouble. Hope it is not something tragic is my only wish. Suhana has been telling him that what he is doing is wrong, but Golu is doing what he has learnt from his father. Dev is not the one to blame as he was not the one who was regularly monitoring him. It was, is and will be Vickky and Elena's responsibility of teaching right things to their child and where they have failed miserably. I don't think Suhana will play that game, but will not tell anyone about Golu's playing either. Only when things get out of hand is when everyone will come to know. And that is when maami for the first time will realize the enormity of what her greed has done, the monster she has created in her backyard. All her life she craved for the riches and didn't think twice to use illegal methods to gain that. When she finds her progeny hurt by the very same greed(greed of winning without caring about morality), I am sad that they had to use this method, but I feel this way is very real. And I feel that the lesson that Vickky and maami will learn from this is something that they will never forget, not their whole life.

It will be similar to all the things that converged during the marriage breakup of Dev and Sonakshi. I am glad that my analysis is close to what they are showing as well that my predictions are coming true. 😆 😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
I am on the same page as SP12'

I did not find Dev's reaction acceptable. He is going overboard with role reversal. Just too much. Iswari is right. It is the collective responsibility in joint families to nourish kids.
I also found fault in the way he reacted towards Soha getting low marks. She is a gem,a very bright student who could do well in surprise test. If she did not get it is a matter that needs to be addressed.

Golu is not Vikky or Elena's responsibility . I disagree with Shaavi. He is very much under Dev!/s wings only. Dev is not allowing either Vikky or Elena to take his responsibility. So tomorrow for whatever stupid thing Golu does Elena will raise fingers at Dev. ,
Vikky also may support her. All in all I feel sad at the way Dev's ch is progressing... Not in my taste.


Lakshmi
Edited by ltelidevara - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: ltelidevara

I am on the same page as SP12'


I did not find Dev's reaction acceptable. He is going overboard with role reversal. Just too much. Iswari is right. It is the collective responsibility in joint families to nourish kids.
I also found fault in the way he reacted towards Soha getting low marks. She is a gem,a very bright student who could do well in surprise test. If she did not get it is a matter that needs to be addressed.

Golu is not Vikky or Elena's responsibility . I disagree with Shaavi. He is very much under Dev!/s wings only. Dev is not allowing either Vikky or Elena to take his responsibility. So tomorrow for whatever stupid thing Golu does Elena will raise fingers at Dev. ,
Vikky also may support her. All in all I feel sad at the way Dev's ch is progressing... Not in my taste.


Lakshmi



I agree, if anything goes wrong with Golu fingers will be pointed at Dev as he is not allowing Vicky & Elena to take any responsibility of their Son, also if the post leap episodes are anything to go by time and again it was shown that it was Dev who took care of Golu more than his parents, so it will be Dev who will be held responsible and what adds to that is his casual approach. I just hope that it does not come down to a situation where it will be shown who has brought up the kids well. Whether it is Dev who took care of Golu or is it Sonakshi who brought up Suhana. Because right now even though Suhana is fascinated by the game yet she has not yet succumbed to the temptation whereas that's not the case with Golu .

Just my POV, no offence.
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: sp12



Many might not agree but I am a bit lost after watching today's episode, while I loved that Sonakshi took a stand for Dev but I am actually surprised and not that convinced the way Dev is approaching the role reversal. I actually agree with Ishwari that nobody was judging Dev, all they wanted was to share the responsibilities as they are all one family and I do not find any wrong with that, I do not know what exactly Dev is trying to prove or achieve here, at the end of the day what is important is that the kids are taught the right things does not matter who does it. Also I found Dev's approach and reaction to the surprise test a bit casual, if it was only Golu getting less marks then I could understand his reaction as he generally scores less so expecting him to suddenly score more with the changed approach would be unfair, but Suhana scored less and that should have raised alarm bells in Dev's mind as herself said that she enjoys Surprise tests so her getting less marks should have alarmed Dev that something is wrong.

I somehow guess Asha is worried about something which she is not revealing as yesterday as well she wanted to say something to Sonakshi but could not and today as well her words to Dev were more that what met the eye. Also it will be interesting to see what happens in the Bose house especially with Saurav & Ronita's reaction now a days to situations. All in all today's episode left me with mixed feelings, guess need to wait for a couple of episodes to see where all this leads to.

Just my POV, apologies if anyone is offended.



@bold pink. I will try to give my understanding. Hope I am able to convey what I feel. For a very long time, Ishwari told Dev that he is good only for earning money. She might not have used those words, but did that through her actions. Ex -- in the initial episodes of the series, there was some scenes where Dev slaps Vickky in front of the hospital where Ishwari is admitted. After the slapping, RR comes and shouts at Dev that he did a wrong thing. Dev doesn't reveal what exactly happened, but just walks away from there. But Ishwari asks RR what happened and the latter says that Dev had slapped Vickky so hard, that Vickky had to go to the doctor and take lot of medications. That his face was swollen. Ishwari pacifies RR and gives money to her for the treatment. Then later goes to Dev and tells him that he was wrong and he doesn't know how to handle people.

This is one example that I am mentioning here. But for the most part of season 1, Dev is shown to be told that he is wrong, who doesn't know anything about how to behave with people. This was told to him by Ishwari, Sonakshi, Neha and most of the characters at sometime of the other. They all ended up blaming him when things didn't go their way or they didn't get what they wanted. Like Neha blamed Dev for not making Ranveer rich without taking into account that Ranveer was not a puppet and was a person of his own. She never bothered to stop herself even once if what she was saying Dev was right or wrong. She was asking Dev to buy her happiness without taking into account that one cannot do that. One has to find their own happiness. And it need not be related to money or riches. A person can find happiness just by helping people without expecting anything. Or he may find happiness in caring for others. But whatever it is, each have to find their own happiness and another person cannot buy or find it for them. No matter how hard Dev worked, he couldn't really bring that happiness to Ishwari that her current job is giving her.

Dev is now tired of everyone telling him that he is not good enough in "personal" way, in understanding "emotions". So now he wants to prove that he is good enough. That he is not dumb and can understand human emotions and cater to it. That he care for the kids like any "mother" can. That mothers don't always know the best.

Dev and Sonakshi are exact polar opposites. When she brings the check back to Dev, she challenges him that if he thinks that he is the only one capable of running and growing a business. That she can do it too. That is also the arena where Dev kind of puts her down by saying you won't be able to earn that kind of money by making diet charts. Before that she was shown to say that she doesn't understand the business concepts and things like percentages, profit -- loss were difficult for her to understand. But now she is doing all these things and is shown to have "won" and proved herself.

In that farmhouse, she challenges that he didn't understand love and that it would never come to his life. That he would never know happiness and wouldn't enjoy that bliss that life can give. With what Dev is doing now, he is set to win that challenge and prove himself. Although Dev left his business and is doing all these by himself, everyone comes to him for advice. Where once they thought that he doesn't know anything about human psyche, credit him for knowing that better. Where once he was told that he doesn't know how to handle relationships, is now shown to be pro in that. He is now happier than Sonakshi. She might be going to office or running that business, but she is not deriving much pleasure from it. In today's episode, when she wanted to put Shubh to sleep, she didn't get that chance. She is shown to kind of eagerly wait for the opportunity to take Suhana and Golu to school so much so that the way she acts saying that she will take them is kind of telling. She misses being the "mom" and resents(partly) that she is away from her children, but has to go to office. She doesn't have the heart to take away the time that Dev has asked of her because he has been so supportive of her. She also wants to support him the way he did her. She is realizing that she is not as perfect as she thought herself to be. And that is what is happening with this role reversal.

From her words, it is like she is waiting for the month to be over so that she can go back to being the "woman". She is finding that being a "man" is tiring and not as easy as it looks. I have said this before, I will say it again that it is about the gender equality and feminism where lots of women say that they want equality and crib that they are not given the opportunity, but when they are asked to let go of the advantages of their gender, they are not ready for it. The usual talks of "men have it easy", and it is women who have to work hard is what the makers are trying to debunk.

Coming to the test and the results, he is looking at Golu and Suhana, just like him. Also SUhana was shown to be sick for several days. So he is not expecting Suhana to get high marks when she did miss several classes. He took over their responsibility as house husband only a few days ago and his month is not over yet. This is the first test, so he is giving them a chance. He doesn't know that Golu came to his room or that he took back the phone or that he is playing that game. But I guess that is set to come out soon. And that will be the straw that breaks maami's reality,

Coming to Asha, I agree that she has things on her mind that she is not revealing. Maybe because she is seeing Sonakshi and her drive towards achievement in challenges in Dev. She has now understood what has happened during the initial marriage phase and she is scared that Dev and Sonakshi are now repeating it, but in reversed role way. That what Sonakshi did at that time when she bit off more than she can chew, is what Dev is doing now. And she fears the end result of it. Especially since small children are involved now.

The serial became very interesting from this week onwards for me. 😆

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