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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: ltelidevara


@ grace
Also, after Dev's confession on the tyre-changing day, it is Sona who has insisted that they will remain friends forever. Now that they are roaming around without any hindrance in this friendship phase, Sona should get hurt to blurt out her pain to Dev. So, with this match-making game, Sona is going to get hurt and that's when she will pour her out to Dev. After that, Dev is going to take the lead and first thing he will do is to relieve Sona from Bijoy's promise. And all this while, Ishwari will only be a spectator like


How could Dev relieve Sona from Bijoy's promise? I can't understand. Sonakshi herself has to endeavour to make Bijoy accept Dev. Without her input Dev can not do anything.it is Bijoy Bose at the other end. Not Iswari Dixit,his mother.



Lakshmi


Lakshmi...please read this thread (https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/kuch-rang-pyar-ke-aise-bhi/4854451/so-sonakshis-promise-to-bijoy-is-only-a-mask-to-hide-her-fear)of mine which I made today in the forum and I have answered your query there. When I said, Dev will take the lead, what I meant is that being the father of a daughter now, Dev realises how important it is to win Bijoy's confidence; So, evenif Sona may not insist on it, Dev will take Sona back to IN only after he gets Bijoy's permission. And during this phase, Sona will support Dev, just like he supported her during the Khatri phase.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Harryfan011


P.S: I was really sorry to hear about Survika's accident and I thank @grace for keeping us updated on her progress.. I do hope that she has a swift recovery and is able to go back to her former life as soon as possible...



Suyash...Deepsel also has wrote a thread in the main forum echoing the same thoughts as yours, about Dev now taking charge of the steering. And I am missing Survi a lot, as she was an ardent supporter of Dev, to the extent that she would give it back to anyone who dared to say a word against Dev.

And here's her update as of yesterday:

Sorry again for updating late. Survika had a long therapy session yesterday.

And she recognized a lot of people from her family and friends. Including few of the IF friends too who were in contact with her. She still needs to recall a lot of people she couldn't recognize.

But there's a lot of improvement... It seemed to be a successful session.

She will be given 1st therapy session for her body movements in her city itself today and then the doctors are planning to shift her to another city for further therapy as they have better therapists there.

Her cousin i am in contact with will not be available for sometime as they'll be traveling to another city. But whenever i get some update, i'll keep you guys posted.

Thanks a lot again for all your prayers. Do keep praying for her speedy recovery. I wish the therapy helps and her body movement starts soon.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Samanalyse




Her immediate and impulsive reaction when Ishwari told her to find someone for Dev was to rush to Dev and blast him... because he is the first one her heart turns to when it is overburdened. And how did that emotion come out? In the form of meaningless anger, which thankfully, Dev has learned to read as a cry for help. But Dev can't truly help her unless she tells him what the real problem is... that she loves him but she is too scared to give in to that emotion. Bijoy is one of the direct causes and facilitators of that fear, but until Sona reveals that to Dev, he can't help her change Bijoy's mind about him, something he is more than capable of doing at this point in his own personal growth.



Superbly explained. It is for this green signal Dev is waiting to take the charge of getting things right for Sona. And today onwards we will get to see how he is going to get that go ahead from Sona...Only thing is that we will have to wait for another 9days (if Shaavi's prediction is to be true) for Sona's breakdown and I am getting impatient...😔
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Posted: 8 years ago
@ grace

I read your post . Understood what you meant. But I feel to make Bijoy confide in Dev's ability to keep Sona happy they both should become a couple first and start their family life. Otherwise how could Dev assure Bijoy of himself? By mere words? No. Bijoy won't believe him even if he promises to love Sona and take care of her. So there is no solution to appease Bijoy. That is why I said Sona's input is needed more than Dev's effort.

Sona should have a heart to heart talk with Bijoy. She should enlighten him of the unparalleled love that only Dev can shower on her. She should highlight Dev's positive aspects with illustrations. Finally Sona has to tell Bijoy that both of them now realised their draw backs and the reasons for the failure of their marriage.

Sona should also tell Bijoy that life is a mixture of happiness and sorrow. It is not fair to expect only happiness from life. She should confidently assure him that Dev will stand by her now in adversities also. Learning makes life worth living. Bijoy should understand the fact. Only Sona can make him convinced of her inability to walk ahead without Dev's presence in her life not as Soha's father but as her soul mate and life partner.


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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: malikakas

Totally agree Sam. I'd love to see Bijoy as a mentor towards Dev. One of the thing that stuck out to me is how Bijoy was preaching to Ishwari about accepting Ronita as a daughter but he never truly accepted Dev as a son. If he favors Ronita over Saurabh to show her that she is part of the family he also needed to do a bit of that with Dev.


In conjuction to this conversation, I have a doubt. All the ladies in Bijoy's life are highly admired by Bijoy. Dadi, maybe for the way she single-handedly brought him up; Asha, for the way she supported and adjusted him in their initial days; Sona, for being that ideal & disciplined daughter and finally, Ronita, for being the girl who accepted his nalaayak beta. Whereas, except for Jotin (who doesn't have a direct relation with him) Baba doesn't have any appreciation for the other men,Saurabh or Dev, with whom he has/needs to have a relation. Would there be any reason for this?
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Samanalyse


The way I imagine it, if Bijoy had really perceived that Dev was a young man, struggling with new experiences, and reached out to him, there was a wealth of advice and guidance he could have offered, i.e. helped him be a better husband instead of berating him for being an amateur, or seeing him like the enemy.


True...especially when he knew Dev had lost his father at a younger age and he having gone through a similar situation, Bijoy should have atleast for once, try to step into Dev's shoes and help Sona see why it was not easy for Dev to get detached from the 20-year old bond he shared with his mother. How I had yearned for such a scene to be played in S1...😔
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: _Payalj_

In life sometimes we get so obsessed with some things that we get unidimensional. Our intent is not bad, but we get rigid and start imagining that our way of doing things or thinking is the correct way. Bijoy has become a victim of such thinking. What he never realised that sona is not 'him'. She is a separate individual with separate happiness and needs. What could be suffocating for Bijoy could be happiness for sona. What could be non negotiable and intolerable for Bijoy like his pride could not be the most important consideration for sona while evaluating relationships.

Bijoy has no business to insist that sona should feel or think the way he wants. Same way he had no business to assume that sona can't forget and forgive if he can't.

In the name of protecting his child, he is trying to juxtapose his thought process on her. He is in fact doing exactly what ishwhas been doing.

Ishwari too always assumed that whatever she was doing was for the welfare of her son. But it is easier for us to identify her wrongs and call out her wrong behaviour because we are used to thinking that a mother in law is bad while the father of a daughter in law is the one who suffers.

These are known as mental frames , which automatically make us judgemental as well as inclined to think in a particular direction as well as sympathise with a particular line of thought. Not our fault but the result of years of mental conditioning by the society.

The way in a divorce case the wife is a poor abused party and the husband is the abuser till categorically and emphatically proved otherwise. The wife saying that she was abused is enough but the husband has to prove that he had not abused.

So if the husband's mother interferes unduly she is wrong but if the wife's father interferes unduly he is only protecting his daughter.

The fact of the matter is that both of them were and are encroaching the personal space and relationships of grown up individuals and, trying to sabotage their right to take their own decisions and therefore are wrong.


This hypocrisy in the society couldn't be expressed more clearly than this...And Payal, you deserve a standing 👏 for this.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: ltelidevara

@ grace


I read your post . Understood what you meant. But I feel to make Bijoy confide in Dev's ability to keep Sona happy they both should become a couple first and start their family life. Otherwise how could Dev assure Bijoy of himself? By mere words? No. Bijoy won't believe him even if he promises to love Sona and take care of her. So there is no solution to appease Bijoy. That is why I said Sona's input is needed more than Dev's effort.

Sona should have a heart to heart talk with Bijoy. She should enlighten him of the unparalleled love that only Dev can shower on her. She should highlight Dev's positive aspects with illustrations. Finally Sona has to tell Bijoy that both of them now realised their draw backs and the reasons for the failure of their marriage.

Sona should also tell Bijoy that life is a mixture of happiness and sorrow. It is not fair to expect only happiness from life. She should confidently assure him that Dev will stand by her now in adversities also. Learning makes life worth living. Bijoy should understand the fact. Only Sona can make him convinced of her inability to walk ahead without Dev's presence in her life not as Soha's father but as her soul mate and life partner.


Lakshmi


Lakshmi...I agree with you on this part. But, rather than a heart to heart talk, I am expecting an outburst from Sona on how much she was burdened from her young age to be his ideal girl. And at this point, Dev will be the only person who will understand Bijoy and give him the required support to get Bijoy out of the shock of Sona shouting at him.
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Posted: 8 years ago
After watching yesterday's episode, I had an ardent desire to express my views on some of the scenes that happened:
1. Ishwari's conversation with Dev-Sona

While we all are busy analysing Ishwari's decision to play the matchmaker and reunite Dev and Sona, I felt that yesterday, there was a very crucial scene that I guess, went under the radar...

Yesterday, after Soha's conversation with Dev and Sona where she agreed for Dev's remarriage, Ishwari spoke about something which I felt gave us an opportunity to understand her character better...

What she said reminded me of something which my mother has once said to me, that 'in marriage, the one who is left behind is the one who suffers more...' She was referring to the downward spiral and the pain that my grandfather went through after my grandmother has passed away..

In yesterday's episode, Ishwari spoke about loneliness that someone feels when their spouse is no longer part of their lives... We have discussed so much about Ishwari as a mother, mother-in-law as well as an individual but yesterday, we got to a glimpse of the wife in Ishwari which died after her husband's untimely death...

What she spoke was something that really touched me deeply... She spoke about how Dev and Sona is right now, hiding their own emotions by their responsibilities of being Soha's parents and their respective parents support systems...

She was very blunt when she told them that there will come a time when she will no longer be a part of their lives and Soha will no longer depend on them, like she does now (when she grows up)... She spoke about the lack of companionship and the void that her husband's death left in her life...

For Ishwari, her children (especially Dev) became the reason for her to continue living her life and struggle to provide her children with a bright future...

It explained and validated a lot of our discussions when we said that Dev was able to partially fill the absence of his father in his mother's life.. For the first time, we saw how the lack of solid support and companion in Ishwari's life made her more protective and possessive about Dev's love...

I really liked that small 15-20 second segment of their interaction.. Both Ishwari and Bijoy could have been invaluable to Sona and Dev respectively since, they could have mentored or guided Devakshi in understanding the challenges of being a wife or a husband, but due to their insecurities and pride, they were more intent on separating their children...

And, I really am liking how CVs and the writers are still peeling layers of each character even though the current track's focus is on something else...

2. Asha-Sona's conversation

When Sona put her head on Asha's lap, it directly reminded me of the times when Dev put his head on Ishwari's lap... It reminded me of the time, no matter what happens and who comes in our lives, the place of the parents are irreplaceable...

But, what was most interesting was the dilemma that Sona had when explaining the nature of her relationship to her mother... She struggled to put a name to her relationship... The most amusing part of the whole conversation was when she said that, according to Dev, they are each other's best friend (even though, she was the one suggested to Dev of being 'only friends'...

I don't know who said it but I definitely agree with them when they said friendship offers Sonakshi the perfect place to still care and remain close to Dev without getting herself entangled up in the web of a relationship...

But, I am now sure that she will soon begin to feel suffocated by being just 'a friend... Or, best friend to Dev'... We have to remember that she is the same person who once said that she always wished to remain 'Mrs. Dixit' and now, while she has grown comfortable being 'Ms. Bose', the bigger question is does she still want to be 'Ms. Bose' or 'Mrs. Dixit'..

(When I say Mrs. Dixit, I don't mean they should get remarried... What I am trying to say that a wife's (or for that matter, a spouse's) role in someone's life is considered to be far more significant than being someone's friend..

In other simple words, she wants to always remain the special person in Dev's life who makes him happy...)

Some other parts of their interaction which made my ears stand up where when Sonakshi told Asha she cannot love Dev.. She didn't say I don't love him but cannot, which clearly shows her emotional state...

But, the part which literally stunned me the most was the last word of the conversation that Asha spoke after Sonakshi has given an explanation, 'jhooti' (liar)...

3. Suhana's involvement in Ishwari's plans

I definitely understand that while Ishwari has realised and admitted her role in the separation of Dev and Sona and her plan is to reunite them is a way for her to absolve her guilt to separate two soul-mates due to her insecurities...

And, like everyone else, her plan is going backfire on her but what I am most worried is Soha's involvement in this plan..

Despite all her maturity, Soha is still a 6 year old girl whose only desire is to see her parents live together with her (so, that her dream of a family could finally be completed), this is why she has lied to her parents about how she is okay with her father's remarriage...

She has complete faith in her grandmother's words that by her small lie, her dream will finally come true...

This reminds of a track from another show (most probably, Taarak Mehta Ka Ooltha Chashmah) where a school-going boy decides to get married so that he can finally get a cycle... He was too young to understand the nuances and the responsibilities of being an adult or marriage...

Similarly, Soha is not capable of understanding the consequences of her lie... She only wants her father and mother to reunite and hence, she doesn't have any interest or the heart to see the place of her mother being taken away by some other woman...

For her, Dev, Sona and Soha are meant to be a family and she has no desire to let another third person to enter this picture...

Ishwari has gifted her false hope (which might never come true) and if this plan backfires (which it surely will), the person who will be most affected will be Suhana... Neither Ishwari nor her parents understand the negative or disastrous consequences that this plan could have on this innocent girl's life and her emotions...

Hence, before anything, I sincerely hope that either Dev or Sona steps up and realises their responsibility as Soha's parents and keep her away from this dangerous game that their daughter has accidently stepped into...

4. Dev's Time To Take Charge

We have all clearly observed how both Ishwari and Sona has played the dominant roles in their respective relationships with Dev... But, I feel that Dev is the only one out of the three who can take this ship out of the raging storm...

In my previous post, I spoke about how Dev is currently the one with the least emotional burden and hence, was finally is ready to take charge of his life...

Yesterday's conversation where he expressed how he can't let anyone else to replace Sonakshi's place in his life and his concern for her well-being (during the last part of yesterday's episode) clearly indicates that while he is troubled with the events happening around him, he is still capable of using both his mind and is still in his senses...

In other simple words, he is capable to play the role of Dev Dixit, the smart and shrewd businessman... Sonakshi and Ishwari has seen a lot of shades of Dev's character (one more than the other), but both of them consider him to be the 'weaker' one... They both underestimate his identity of being one of the leading businessmen as well as his intelligence..

Dev, when he is in control of himself, is the most influential and unpredictable person and hence, he has the ability to control the strings of the game which is currently being played by the two most important women in his life, his mother and his supposedly 'best friend'...

5. Bijoy's Continuous Fall From Being The 'Perfect' Father

If Season 1 was all about how Devakshi suffered due to Ishwari's insecurities and her 'God-like' status... Season 2 is all about how Bijoy's ego and his sense of 'idealism' is negatively affecting the lives of his children, especially Sonakshi...

Yesterday, the Cheshire Cat grin on his face made me really disappointed about the downfall of a good father... Yesterday, I didn't see even a hint of the over-protective father that everyone here speaks about... Yesterday, I saw a man who in his desire to prove himself right has become blinded of his daughter's inner turmoil and emotional vulnerabilities...

While I admit that I have always remained slightly critical of Bijoy but last week, I sincerely pity of him for him being isolated from the rest of his family... But, yesterday, he was actually happy to see his daughter in pain (the same daughter who considers him to be 'perfect') just so that he can finally achieve his desire to live his idyllic life (of being away from Dixits forever)..

I completely agree with each and every point that has been raised by @Sam, @Shaavi and @_Payalj_ regarding Bijoy and I don't think I have anything substantial to add to their brilliant analyses of this character...

But, I sincerely hope that Bijoy comes out of this illusion of being 'perfect'... He is a flawed man and has to not only accept that his children's happiness and desires might be different from his own... But, for that, to happen, he needs to realise his own flaws and shortcomings..

In the first season, I was furious with the portrayal of Ishwari's character... I could definitely understand that it is not easy to accept someone else in your life but if that someone is giving happiness to someone close to your heart, then you, at least, try to accept their importance.. And, especially her appalling behaviour during the infertility track..

In fact, that is the only thing which makes Bijoy look slightly better as a person than Ishwari... But, if he even dares to separate a daughter from her father (talking about Dev-Soha) relationship, then I will literally start considering them the two sides of the same coin...

In fact, I believe that as a single parent, Ishwari is slightly better than Bijoy.. While she did love her son more, but she still acknowledged her mistakes in her upbringing (especially Neha) and while she may have committed a crime, she was still able to instill good values in her children..

On the other hand, Bijoy is someone who treats someone well if he/she fits his image of a 'perfect' self... I know my assessment is not completely true but his behavior in recent times has definitely put a massive dent in his character's apparent goodness..

And, I sincerely hope that we will see a positive change in Bijoy's character soon because like Ishwari, he too, deserves to accept and feel the pain that he is partially responsible for his daughter's unhappiness...

-Suyash.

P.S: Can't wait to read all of your views... And, I am thoroughly excited for the upcoming episodes...

And, the 2 hour thing really works...

And, I just read @deepsel post which I wish to share with everyone who has not read it...

Edited by Harryfan011 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Shaavi

@Grace, wonderful post. 👏👏


Thank you Shaavi.

And you know, yesterday while watching the episode, I remembered you during one scene. Can you tell me which scene...Yes, exactly. The scene where Sona tells Asha that Dev has defined their relation as friendship. Sona, ek aur baar palti maar li, by not owning her own decision...🤣

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