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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: thedramaqueen

Ladies and gentlemen, please put your hands together to welcome the newest Devakshi shipper in town. Smt. Ishwari Dixit 👏


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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Shaavi


Narshi. Let's agree to disagree. If we "accept" Sonakshi's behavior as "basic nature" of hers, why do we not accept the same for Dev or Ishwari. If we say Sonakshi is "wired" that way, why not say the same regarding Dev or Ishwari. Why expect them to change. It is true that she never forced her daada to diet and accepted his overweight. But why couldn't she accept Dev or Ishwari or Neha on their terms or as themselves. Why did she want to change them as per her views. Why did she constantly try to change Dev and expected him to follow her lead during the whole of the marriage phase.

Exactly! For me the problem isn't with Sona's basic nature. I think a lot of us can identify with that. But its that double standard. I expect you to understand me without me being explicit, or having to expose my vulnerabilities.. but I want you to change yourself to suit me.

I was always taught that if you can't love someone they way they are, its not going to work. You can't expect someone to change in order to be in a relationship with you. If you do, I'd make the argument you aren't really in love with that person, you are in love with the idea of them. Its not unconditional love.

For me, its just feels like a bit of a lopsided relationship where Dev is always being forced out of his comfort zone in order for Sonakshi to stay in hers.



@Shaavi.. a few threads ago you were talking about how Sonakshi first has to be accepted as Ishwari's dil before being Dev's wife. Can you remind me what you were saying.. because I feel like that's what's going on nowadays. 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
@Mallika. Thanks for understanding what I was trying to say. And that is what I am trying very hard to understand. Looks like I am using the word "understand" a lot in my recent posts 😆 . But am trying to figure out how it will be an "equal relationship" if Sonakshi doesn't realize her flaws and faults and admit them both to herself and others. I also don't feel that there is anything left for Dev to prove, I mean prove himself. I don't think there is any need for that. He doesn't need to put any effort towards convincing Bijoy too. The ball is in Sonakshi's court. If there is any future for Dev and Sonakshi and for them to be together, it should be from Sonakshi. She needs to be honest and speak up in front of Bijoy.

Only then there will be an equal partnership relationship between Dev and Sonakshi.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Shaavi

@Mallika. Thanks for understanding what I was trying to say. And that is what I am trying very hard to understand. Looks like I am using the word "understand" a lot in my recent posts 😆 . But am trying to figure out how it will be an "equal relationship" if Sonakshi doesn't realize her flaws and faults and admit them both to herself and others. I also don't feel that there is anything left for Dev to prove, I mean prove himself. I don't think there is any need for that. He doesn't need to put any effort towards convincing Bijoy too. The ball is in Sonakshi's court. If there is any future for Dev and Sonakshi and for them to be together, it should be from Sonakshi. She needs to be honest and speak up in front of Bijoy.

Only then there will be an equal partnership relationship between Dev and Sonakshi.


Honestly that's why I am a bit conflicted. On one hand I love the things that Dev is doing.. because that's the Dev I love. The man without an ego and the one who doesn't hold scores. I wouldn't even mind him reaching out to Bijoy because that is Dev's goodness. I love Dev being patient and understanding Sonakshi without her words.

But on the other hand I do want to see that sometimes Sona can meet Dev where he is at. That if sometimes he can't be a bridge between his mother and her.. she isn't going to hold it against him. Or if he doesn't want to live the life that she wants him to live.. she respects his right to a choice.

I am so happy that Sona bumped into her swing today... because I think she should realize too that dealing with her and her choices wasn't easy either.
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Posted: 8 years ago
@Mallika. This is in reference to your question in your last post.


I have seen a little lot of RRs in my life. They are the kind of people whose tongue has that sharpness where one is left with 2 choices. One is to ignore them, the other is to behave like them and fight. If one starts fighting with them, one usually doesn't win. Cause they don't mind going low where one would not really want to go.

In the beginning of the series, RRs behavior towards the Dixit family was shown in detail. RR kind of respected Dev only because of his money. She doesn't have any real respect towards him. The moment he cuts them off from having access to his family's wealth, she will be a completely different person.

She had a soft spot for Neha cause I feel she saw herself similar to her. Like how Ishwari sidelined Neha, RR was sidelined by maamaji. Hence she recognized herself with Neha and treated her well. She also knew that Neha is one of Ishwari's trigger point where she could at times use Neha to rile up Ishwari. Like in the initial episode where RR instigates Neha to open the white cupboard in Dev's room. She didn't pay much attention to Rita or Nikki as they didn't really have much power with Ishwari.

Coming to Ishwari herself, RR was jealous of her. Not just for Dev, but also for who Ishwari is. Her strength, the respect she gets and ability to fight is something that RR admires, and envies at the same time. She also knows that Dev listens to her. For her to get anything Ishwari is the key. If she asks Dev directly for things, he wouldn't really give that to her. Post leap he might have been shown to gift GKB jewelry. But that once again is not because he loves her. It was more to do with his lifestyle at that time whe didn't care about himself.

The only person in Dixit house whom she fears is Ishwari. Dev will not throw her out of the house. But Ishwari wouldn't think twice before doing that. In one of the episode, GKB does something to the water supply to her house and lands in IN. Dev gets it fixed, but doesn't tell them that they need to leave IN. It is Ishwari who does that. During Sonakshi's fake pregnancy track too in her moment of clarity, it is Ishwari who tells GKB she can leave if she doesn't follow what she is saying. GKB knows very well that IN is not her house nor she is the head of the house.

In the episode where Dev convinces Sonakshi to come back as nutritionist after the 5hr cafe wait, when he comes back to say that he has convinced Sonakshi to come back, there is a nice conversation. At that time Dev says that he has forced Sonakshi to accept the job again. Don't do or say anything that would make me lose my respect and reputation. But that doesn't really stop GKB from taunting Sonakshi. The phone breaking and GKB stealing money scenes were soon after. But since Ishwari didn't side with GKB, the latter couldn't do much damage. But at the same time since Sonakshi was still just an employee and not a family member as considered by Ishwari, GKB continued to taunt Sonakshi.

Saying "she is like family", to saying "she is family" is 2 different things. Dev considered Sonakshi as part of the family, but Ishwari didn't. As long as the later didn't happen, GKB could get away with taunting or even hurting Sonakshi. Although Dev was a business tycoon, the family head of Dixits is Ishwari. What goes in the house is decided by her, not by Dev himself. That is the main reason why GKB did not want Ishwari Sonakshi bond to happen.

The moment Ishwari openly says "Sonakshi is family. Anyone who dares say anything against her respect are answerable to me", GKB will know that her game is up. The reason why she is in such a state is because she is realizing that her drama is coming to an end. GKB is now trying really hard to keep her influence on Ishwari. But Ishwari showing GKB the door is not far. That is what I meant when I said that Sonakshi will come as Ishwari's DIL before coming as Dev's wife.

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Shaavi

@Mallika. This is in reference to your question in your last post.


I have seen a little lot of RRs in my life. They are the kind of people whose tongue has that sharpness where one is left with 2 choices. One is to ignore them, the other is to behave like them and fight. If one starts fighting with them, one usually doesn't win. Cause they don't mind going low where one would not really want to go.

In the beginning of the series, RRs behavior towards the Dixit family was shown in detail. RR kind of respected Dev only because of his money. She doesn't have any real respect towards him. The moment he cuts them off from having access to his family's wealth, she will be a completely different person.

She had a soft spot for Neha cause I feel she saw herself similar to her. Like how Ishwari sidelined Neha, RR was sidelined by maamaji. Hence she recognized herself with Neha and treated her well. She also knew that Neha is one of Ishwari's trigger point where she could at times use Neha to rile up Ishwari. Like in the initial episode where RR instigates Neha to open the white cupboard in Dev's room. She didn't pay much attention to Rita or Nikki as they didn't really have much power with Ishwari.

Coming to Ishwari herself, RR was jealous of her. Not just for Dev, but also for who Ishwari is. Her strength, the respect she gets and ability to fight is something that RR admires, and envies at the same time. She also knows that Dev listens to her. For her to get anything Ishwari is the key. If she asks Dev directly for things, he wouldn't really give that to her. Post leap he might have been shown to gift GKB jewelry. But that once again is not because he loves her. It was more to do with his lifestyle at that time whe didn't care about himself.

The only person in Dixit house whom she fears is Ishwari. Dev will not throw her out of the house. But Ishwari wouldn't think twice before doing that. In one of the episode, GKB does something to the water supply to her house and lands in IN. Dev gets it fixed, but doesn't tell them that they need to leave IN. It is Ishwari who does that. During Sonakshi's fake pregnancy track too in her moment of clarity, it is Ishwari who tells GKB she can leave if she doesn't follow what she is saying. GKB knows very well that IN is not her house nor she is the head of the house.

In the episode where Dev convinces Sonakshi to come back as nutritionist after the 5hr cafe wait, when he comes back to say that he has convinced Sonakshi to come back, there is a nice conversation. At that time Dev says that he has forced Sonakshi to accept the job again. Don't do or say anything that would make me lose my respect and reputation. But that doesn't really stop GKB from taunting Sonakshi. The phone breaking and GKB stealing money scenes were soon after. But since Ishwari didn't side with GKB, the latter couldn't do much damage. But at the same time since Sonakshi was still just an employee and not a family member as considered by Ishwari, GKB continued to taunt Sonakshi.

Saying "she is like family", to saying "she is family" is 2 different things. Dev considered Sonakshi as part of the family, but Ishwari didn't. As long as the later didn't happen, GKB could get away with taunting or even hurting Sonakshi. Although Dev was a business tycoon, the family head of Dixits is Ishwari. What goes in the house is decided by her, not by Dev himself. That is the main reason why GKB did not want Ishwari Sonakshi bond to happen.

The moment Ishwari openly says "Sonakshi is family. Anyone who dares say anything against her respect are answerable to me", GKB will know that her game is up. The reason why she is in such a state is because she is realizing that her drama is coming to an end. GKB is now trying really hard to keep her influence on Ishwari. But Ishwari showing GKB the door is not far. That is what I meant when I said that Sonakshi will come as Ishwari's DIL before coming as Dev's wife.


Brilliant post Shaavi. 👏 GKB is definitely going to be shown the door soon enough.

Interestingly GKB's jealousy of Ishwari and trying to overcome it she has only perpetuated it in her own life and her children. Vicky is jealous of Dev. He's jealous of Sona in comparison to Elena. And Golu is jealous of Soha. Hopefully we will see Golu breaking the cycle followed by Vicky. But GKB needs to realize that in attempting to "help" her kids she has caused them far more harm.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Shaavi

I feel that a person never stops learning. Each day we learn new things. I know that I ask questions regarding Sonakshi. It is my genuine attempt to understand her and in turn understand myself. Most of the time I wonder why I have these questions which the others don't seem to have. You, DQ, Sam, Geena etc are able to understand her so easily, but I fail to do so. At that time I ponder if there is something lacking in my understanding. And then I think maybe if I asked these questions, you guys who know Sonakshi so well probably will be able to explain her to me. That way I can understand myself better and grow to be a better person. That is my intention behind the questions. It is not intended to hurt anyone.[/DIV]



Sonakshi is a real character and she is there everywhere. An independent working girl brought up with values living in a nuclear family, in a city having her own dreams and desires. The problem starts when one doesn't get what one wants. She always knew about Ishwari-Dev relationship and walked into the Dixit family after being rejected once. Her sole aim was acceptance by Ishwari and in the bargain, she lost her identity. Trying to adjust is a noble thought, but understanding the dynamics of a family (a joint one) is equally important. She was the younger sibling with everyone doting on her. Dev was the eldest and shouldering the responsibility of his entire family and extended one too. She tried to do the impossible of trying to make Dev take independent decisions which could have waited. Sometimes, it's best to go with the flow. Her not settling the Dev-Saurabh investment of Rs 5 crores was another mistake. By involving her family and confiding Ishwari's faults with her family led to disaster. The very reason why she advised Elena-Vicky not to discuss everything with everyone, some talks are private, so let it be. Her walking out is the biggest blunder that I feel happened in her life. She could have stayed and made things right. Seven years apart probably made her realise that life could have been different for her and Suhana. She didn't show enough patience to stay and make it right.

Now, things have changed. Dev has changed. Suhana is an invaluable gift that God has given them. She is still making the mistake of allowing Bijoy to interfere in her life. The only reason being that she hasn't yet admitted to herself that her life with Dev is what she seeks and she would always be incomplete without it. The reason she tells Dev that the past needs to be forgotten. Dev and Ishwari have already done that. Asha, Dida and Saurabh have also done it. Has Bijoy done it? When will Sonakshi have a mature talk with Bijoy about what she really wants and desires? That could reveal the 'true Sonakshi', which is now hidden from all.



-Rekha
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: malikakas


Honestly that's why I am a bit conflicted. On one hand I love the things that Dev is doing.. because that's the Dev I love. The man without an ego and the one who doesn't hold scores. I wouldn't even mind him reaching out to Bijoy because that is Dev's goodness. I love Dev being patient and understanding Sonakshi without her words.

But on the other hand I do want to see that sometimes Sona can meet Dev where he is at. That if sometimes he can't be a bridge between his mother and her.. she isn't going to hold it against him. Or if he doesn't want to live the life that she wants him to live.. she respects his right to a choice.

I am so happy that Sona bumped into her swing today... because I think she should realize too that dealing with her and her choices wasn't easy either.



Mallika, I also like what Dev is doing right now. But my feelings is that it is not really going to help him. In fact the more goodness he will show, the more irritated Bijoy will be. The way Bijoy sees Dev that Dev is someone who first gains a person's trust by showing goodness, and then hurts them. In the car too that is what he tells Asha, that Dev is trying to fool his daughter.

The jhoola example is the perfect example. This is just a spinoff from today's episode. In today's episode, it is Sonakshi who suggested that they hide in the garden and hurting herself was an accident. Something that Dev could no way prevent it. Here imagine that Bijoy was close by when Sona got hurt, was about to scream and Dev closed her mouth. Bijoy would definitely have held Dev responsible for Sonakshi's hurt. He would have questioned him and said that it was Dev's plan all along. He would also say since Dev was close by why didn't he prevent Sonakshi from getting hurt. But is Dev really responsible for Sonakshi's hurt. Was it possible for Dev to prevent it. I don't think so. In this case the only person who can end this misunderstanding is Sonakshi. By admitting that coming to the garden was her idea and she did not notice the jhoola there. But is Sonakshi going to say something like this in front of Bijoy and protect Dev. Hmm. I have not seen Sonakshi do that. Cause saying the above is accepting a mistake, of being less than perfect and also the above answer is not perfect.


As much as Dev needed to be the bridge between Ishwari and Sonakshi, Sona needed to be the bridge between Dev and Bijoy. This is something that she has not realized yet. Unless she realizes this and corrects Bijoy's misconceptions, nothing that Dev will do will be of real help. Sonakshi has to face herself if there is to be any future for Devakshi.
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Posted: 8 years ago
@Rekha. Thanks for your response. What you have written is kind of my understanding too, that she is as flawed and faulty as everyone.

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