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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: thedramaqueen

Maleka, when you and Sam talk, I usually don't butt in. Because your discussions are such a treat to the reader. I wanted to get a point in however.

Like you, I too felt Dev was explaining how badly he needs Sona. This was the most heart wrenching part of it yesterday. He made it about himself and his needs. Not in a bad way. But in a very honest manner. He made it all about how he needs her as if his life depended on it. He offered nothing but apology. He is definitely the broken one of the two.

The rescuer syndrome is Sonakshi's core behavior. Recall how she used to stalk her patients. She is a busy body. Like a squirrel constantly scurring away. If you had to imagine her in today's IN, she would be nudging Golu to join that taekwando class... pushing elena to take that international photo shoot assignment... getting mami's diet in place... and Dev used to love this so long as others didn't mind. And that's where things went wrong. When Dev used to ask her to leave these people to their own devices she used to take offence. What she wanted was, for Dev to sweep her off her feet when she was busy plumping those cushions because she has nothing better to do. So she wanted to get rescued as much as Dev. She said this to Dev on their first pink saree date. That these were her lines. Not his. But he got in first. She is as needy as Dev. She just can't say it. I think the stage is set. She has to say it now.

The part where Sona needs rescuing too... I think that is at the core of white knights. They feel in rescuing others they can get rescued too but it rarely works that way. What they end up doing is just propagating a cycle.


This is an interesting article that talks about white knight syndrome.
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=33277.0

In this kind of co-dependent relationship, both parties inevitably suffer. The person being helped receives no real beneficial help, while the rescuer becomes overburdened with the dependency of the other. Instead of generating the positive results they both aspire to, the co-dependent relationship between the two becomes a debilitating energy-drain for all concerned.

Sometimes, when helping'' becomes rescuing,'' the person being helped will react to the rescuer's ministrations by backing away and making a pro-active attempt to resolve the issues they were struggling with on their own. Although this is potentially a good outcome for the person being rescued, the rescuer will try to reassert her control in order to remain as instrumental in achieving success.

As the relationship between the two deteriorates, the subject of the rescue attempt becomes dispirited and confused at the rescuer's persistent interference while the rescuer becomes increasingly frustrated with the standoffish behavior of the other. Eventually, the rescuer simply abandons the rescue attempt in search of another "victim." Although this is ultimately good news for the victim, the journey may be painful and his attempts to recover can be severely compromised.

But the rescuer is a victim too. People become rescuers because they have a need to be liked. Saying no'' to someone who has asked a favor is to let that person down and to court dislike. So when a rescuer sees a person in need, he or she will feel obliged to fulfill that person's request however inconvenient, inappropriate or burdensome the task.

The result, of course, is that rescuers get overloaded with other people's emotional baggage, which takes up time and drains energy. They become cynical, tired, and apathetic. They lose their idealism and sense of purpose. Worse, they may even unconsciously contaminate the people they try to rescue with their own sense of failure and burnout.

And I feel that is actually what happened with Dev and Sonakshi. You watch their end scene in Season 1. these were two exhausted defeated people justifiably blaming each other for their failures. But for the story to change, Sona needs to ask herself why its so important she sees herself as a "helper". What insecurities is she hiding by keeping on this persona? Basically, Sona needs to ask for help and Dev needs to be empowered to help himself.


Edited by malikakas - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago

Today's episode reminded me of the nightout that Nikki wanted to go to. Sonakshi helped Dev feel comfortable with the idea however, she herself was tricked. She is in the same situation again. Back then, I was of the opinion that she really gets into people's business for no reason. And technically, even now its the same. I don't know who exactly she is helping. Her child's dad or her friend or her ex-husband or her "family".

However, the whys aside.. I wanted to focus on the How... This issue is very personal to Dev. She has seen a couple of times now that he acts impulsively and gets angry too... That is why she needed to keep Dev physically out of the situation. The whole idea of her talking to Khatri while is absurd, she is capable of convincing people to do some very crazy things.. Neha's lehenga for example.

This is why Sona kept Dev out of this and brought in Jatin (much like she brought in Elena back then) into the mix. Its very traumatic for Dev to handle this and all he does is flex some muscles. That hasn't worked so far.

As for Ishwari.. there are so many double meaning dialogues, she is bound to get confused and worried. She does not want to see Dev & Sona together. She does not trust mami anymore. And mamaji, Elena and Soha aren't giving her the information she is after.

I also wanted to mention a nice dialogue today. The one where she says that even when the gardener is away from the garden, they care and worry about every bit of it. I think it was supriya telling us that she loves our show and continued to care. Also in context of the story that Sona told Dev, its interesting when overlapped with Dev's blurt-fession.. Dev was away from Sona, but continued to think about her...

Wonderful week... wonderful discussions... lets soak in these pyar ke rang...

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Posted: 8 years ago
Thanks Malika. .I am going to read this up. I think you are guiding me to a place where this whole track becomes less ambiguous.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: thedramaqueen

Thanks Malika. .I am going to read this up. I think you are guiding me to a place where this whole track becomes less ambiguous.


Well I don't know if that's where the story is going. The writers may want to keep this rescuer/victim dynamic between Dev and Sonakshi. But i hope not. 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
@ Shaavi , i got u . I know u r trying to view ishwari from a different angle & u r somewat right too in u'r views. V can always interpret a situation/ behaviour of a person / outcome of a problem in different ways .
I liked u'r example of a single fruit bearing mango tree among other flowering plants . If the mango tree is still bearing fruits which r really delicious, even if the size n colour of the fruits changed bcoz of the new gardner, in my opinion, the old gardner shud appreciate that bocz the same tree is still providing delicious fruits. The size n colur shud never taken into consideration if the tree is providing delicious fruits. Always look for the outcome.. delicious fruits. But in case, if the tree starts to wither , then the first gardner has the full power to criticize the second one, otherwise i wud advice the first gardner to keep aside his egos n open his eyes widely to c the naked truth n appreciate the efforts of the new gardner , unless following the famous " after me , the deluge " attittude.

Ishwari shud understand that she's no bhagwan. She's nt perfect. She always hav this illusion that only she can do everything right. Wen she starts realising this , she can b a normal mother . But i still cudn understand her getting upset on seeing the motherly luv bet asha maa n dev. How chocking n suffocating is that for someone like dev in real life ??

I"m agreeing u on this that dev shud b more open to ish maa. The root cause of major problems lies with dev, hiding things from his maa. But still I'm nt sure bout ishwari being happy with dev, had he been told everything prior to her . Though it's really hard to deal people like ishwari in real life, i'm enjoying the different shades of human nature as portrayed in our wonderful show by our stupendous actors 👏👍🏼
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: thedramaqueen

Today's episode reminded me of the nightout that Nikki wanted to go to. Sonakshi helped Dev feel comfortable with the idea however, she herself was tricked. She is in the same situation again. Back then, I was of the opinion that she really gets into people's business for no reason. And technically, even now its the same. I don't know who exactly she is helping. Her child's dad or her friend or her ex-husband or her "family".

However, the whys aside.. I wanted to focus on the How... This issue is very personal to Dev. She has seen a couple of times now that he acts impulsively and gets angry too... That is why she needed to keep Dev physically out of the situation. The whole idea of her talking to Khatri while is absurd, she is capable of convincing people to do some very crazy things.. Neha's lehenga for example.

This is why Sona kept Dev out of this and brought in Jatin (much like she brought in Elena back then) into the mix. Its very traumatic for Dev to handle this and all he does is flex some muscles. That hasn't worked so far.

As for Ishwari.. there are so many double meaning dialogues, she is bound to get confused and worried. She does not want to see Dev & Sona together. She does not trust mami anymore. And mamaji, Elena and Soha aren't giving her the information she is after.

I also wanted to mention a nice dialogue today. The one where she says that even when the gardener is away from the garden, they care and worry about every bit of it. I think it was supriya telling us that she loves our show and continued to care. Also in context of the story that Sona told Dev, its interesting when overlapped with Dev's blurt-fession.. Dev was away from Sona, but continued to think about her...

Wonderful week... wonderful discussions... lets soak in these pyar ke rang...

I am able to connect it with the bose house theft indsident where sona was so angry she take the things on the face value but after some time she get cool down and come to talk to dev and overheares the dev and asha's conversation. In the same way in monday's episode dev will cool down and come to say sorry to her and overhear the sona and jatin conversation. If you ask me trust building process for dev has started.i think at the end of khatri track dev will able to trust sona with his past and will be more open up.
Edited by timbarucha83 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: aarcha

@ Shaavi , i got u . I know u r trying to view ishwari from a different angle & u r somewat right too in u'r views. V can always interpret a situation/ behaviour of a person / outcome of a problem in different ways .

I liked u'r example of a single fruit bearing mango tree among other flowering plants . If the mango tree is still bearing fruits which r really delicious, even if the size n colour of the fruits changed bcoz of the new gardner, in my opinion, the old gardner shud appreciate that bocz the same tree is still providing delicious fruits. The size n colur shud never taken into consideration if the tree is providing delicious fruits. Always look for the outcome.. delicious fruits. But in case, if the tree starts to wither , then the first gardner has the full power to criticize the second one, otherwise i wud advice the first gardner to keep aside his egos n open his eyes widely to c the naked truth n appreciate the efforts of the new gardner , unless following the famous " after me , the deluge " attittude.

Ishwari shud understand that she's no bhagwan. She's nt perfect. She always hav this illusion that only she can do everything right. Wen she starts realising this , she can b a normal mother . But i still cudn understand her getting upset on seeing the motherly luv bet asha maa n dev. How chocking n suffocating is that for someone like dev in real life ??

I"m agreeing u on this that dev shud b more open to ish maa. The root cause of major problems lies with dev, hiding things from his maa. But still I'm nt sure bout ishwari being happy with dev, had he been told everything prior to her . Though it's really hard to deal people like ishwari in real life, i'm enjoying the different shades of human nature as portrayed in our wonderful show by our stupendous actors 👏👍🏼

I agree with what you have mentaion in the ablove post.At certain point dev is at the fault. But the problem is before sona come in to his life he was not having any expection about the life from himself. Sona was the first thing which he wants before that his life was deicated to his family. The main problem with the preson like ishu is they are not able to see beyound her self. She will see the world throw her eyes .In this case main fault lies to mamaji. He the only person who knows how ishu is selfish and manipulative but he always prefer to kept quite and He never get the courage to stop her and no to tell the truth to dev as how he can say any thing to son aginst his mother. Time to time he also blackmail dev to give more importense to dev after marriage.at this point also he is just playing safe and still he is not able to control mami and red.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: cscs

Hey guys wonderful analysis everyone. Special mention to Shaavi's post on Ishwari, it was simply spot on.


Wanted to mention something about today's episode, so choose the safest place to write. May be i am assuming things and Monday's episode will be shown in different light, but this is what i can say from today's episode.

I somehow feel Devkashi has trust issues with each other even now. The moment family matters steps in they don't trust each other.

Dev was more of angry and annoyed today. Although his maa's self respect and some dialogues irritated me. But it was still "hum" for him.
Ab hum kya karege

I know he will be bashed left, right, center for not trusting sona, but i felt he was more angry today. He didn't knew about Sona's master plan, so he scolded her for being careless and got annoyed. Somewhere it was justified also as he was not aware of the truth. But as usual he was not able to control his anger. Although, i am assuming that he will go to say sorry to sona and talk about future plan, when he will over hear that conversation. Lets see what exactly happens.

Coming to Sona, she is exactly behaving the same way, she used to after marriage. Dev is impulsive, angry, so don't tell him anything and solve everything yourself. She still has MAJOR trust issues with Dev. N its not only related to dev but to her own thought process also. She still thinks taking matters in her own hands and hiding things from dev is the best solution of all the problem.
Today also she did the same. I completely agree with her that Dev is impulsive and cannot control his anger. So not letting Dev follow khatri was a good option. But not telling him about her plan was something which i couldn't understand.

Yes Dev was blabbering and was not listening to Sona, but isn't Ms. Bose capable of shutting up Mr. Dixit. Oh yes she is. Problem is not sona trusting Jotin over Dev, but actually not trusting dev in knowing the truth. N reasons will be same, Dev's weakness.

The point is if they cannot trust each other and are still hiding things, then what's point of reconciliation. Its really important for them to trust each other, inspite of their weakness. It was a major flaw in their marriage and if they repeat the same mistake again, then we can see third break up and a leap.

Shaavi i can see ur predictions coming true, but i really hope Sona learns to trust Dev before she realises her love again.

Sorry for ranting about Jotin, but i have to, otherwise i will make Mahua mad in PM. :/ I literally crossed my fingers and prayed that its not jotin who is following Khatri. But alas, he was the one and the moment i saw him all i could think about was shaavi.
Y can't sona hire some private detective :(


Sweety they are not showing jatin and sona track .and ans for your question is she want to telll dev about the plan but dev was so upset that if i was at her place i also kept quite and wait for some time. If you ask me she handled dev very well.and about jatin. Jatin is nor dixit and nor bose. So obvisuly khatri has not seen him and now after this dev will join hands with both of them. If you ask me trust building is in process . So let the things happen if you ask me dev is in the learing process every time he is learning new things . So it is good.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Hiya All,
No time to catch up on all the analysis in this thread. Feel bad about it. It's been the end of the week and am so happy that Ishwari (Supriya Pil) is back. I would have felt awful if she had quit the show and I would have quit watching too. The USP of this show has been the actors and I am glad that continues.

The viewers saw Dev's confession, Sonakshi's restraint, her pain and confusion post confession, Asha's mature behaviour and Elena's screen space in the show. Ishwari looked changed. Yesterday's episode started revealing her insecurities again. She has clearly misunderstood when Dev told her that "purane din wapas aayenge and hum sab Khushi se rahenge!" She thinks it's Sonakshi's return to the Dixit home while Dev is speaking about putting an end to the Khatri saga!!

Dev's confession was not well placed, just like the regret and realisation of the leads shown earlier. But that appeared to be the only logical conclusion and it's quite apparent now that the script has again become unpredictable. The chemistry of the leads was missing and I found that the actors were only fulfilling an obligation - of following the script. 😃 Golu was missing -perhaps gone with his real parents for a vacation.

The highlight of this week was the communication between the protagonists. Finally, they were talking. I felt that Dev should not have expressed his regret to Sonakshi about Khatri duping her by those words. She had asked Dev to trust her and he agreed. Just because the plan failed, he has no reason to pin the blame on Sonakshi. His impulsive behaviour was the root cause of this. Though Sonakshi refused to go with him the first time, he could have convinced her and she would have relented. Instead...

Sonakshi is known to do things on her own. But the pre-cap probably intents to show that she had consulted Jotin before /after the Khatri meeting. Does she trust Jotin more than Dev or she is aware of Dev's behaviour so prefers to keep him in the dark!!! Either way, Jotin is back on a mission. I wonder whether Ishwari would ever know that Sonakshi is trying to help with the Khatri issue and she is in denial mode about her re-attraction towards Dev. Ishwari is worried about her son's state of mind, in case Sonakshi leaves him again!! Rightly so. But the protagonists seem to be handling this situation pretty well.

Next week would be interesting to see whether the family is finally traced or not! Maybe Bijoy would also be back for the fireworks to begin.



-Rekha
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Posted: 8 years ago
If they are going to pull the show for a year more, then what tracks are they going to show?
I have a feeling- don't beat me please-
They will find out about the family-
They may forgive iswari also.
In return- Dev may be asked to marry their daughter-
How is it?
Iswari wants this to be fulfilled by dev -
She gets rid of her guilt & sona -
2 mangoes with one stone.
Sorry, I am totally pissed off with the blame game & trust issues.
Sona not trusting Dev to discuss the full plan- I can't digest that.
Involving Jatin in their family matter without consent of Dev especially where his mother is involved- a big no for me.
I think at the end of this - Dev sees himself as a failure-
He may willingly give off sona & soha to Jatin-
Better sona be ready for this.
Giving mixed signals & acting strong won't resolve issues.
I am tired of Sona's facade- this time it will backfire for sure.
Sorry, my pov.

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