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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Shaavi

My today's post is about Ishwari. I am just trying to lay out her perspective and pov. It does not mean that I am ok with what she did or doing. The whole of the post is exclusively from Ishwari's perspective.

When I think about Ishwari in reference to previous episodes and her actions and thought process, I feel I see a new side and another layer revealed. Today after watching Ishwari, her words, her body language, my brain started turning. 😆 . When maami was trying to instigate and Ishwari blamed her "karma", it was very revealing. When we usually go to temple or any place of worship, we usually think about our past, thank god for our present circumstances(if it is going good) and hope for a better future. We also repent for our mistakes. That is exactly why Ishwari faulted her "karma" as the reason for all the things that happened.

Ishwari belongs to old school. The way she looks at things is children taking permission, counseling and advice from their parents before making big decisions. What she was believing was Dev would first come and tell her if he liked/likes a girl. Choosing a life partner is a big decision. One that not only affects him, but also the entire family. She being the head of the house wanted her choice, her yes/not to matter for her kids, especially Dev as he was her "perfect" child. This was one of the reasons why she was ok with Natasha. The proposal came to her first. She was given the choice. The "respect" as the head of the family. When he broke up with Natasha it was Dev's responsibility to tell the truth. What he admitted to Natasha is what he should have told Ishwari. Even in Neha Ranveer case, she came to know Neha's decision to marry Ranveer the same time Ranveer came to know her decision. It was not "hidden" from her. She was "included" in their lives.

Dev didn't do this. He went and confessed his feelings to Sonakshi first. And she accepted. Here is where she feels Sonakshi is wrong. From her perspective Sonakshi should have rejected Dev and maintain her dignity. This was shown in the FB where Ishwari is insulted and accused of trying to seduce the man of the house by wearing torn saree. At that time Ishwari brought a new saree for herself at the time when they didn't have enough to eat. In her thoughts she chose her respect over what she could have gotten if she had accepted. I am by no means pointing finger at Sonakshi saying it was wrong of her to love Dev or any such thing. I am just writing Ishwari's thoughts and outlooks.

Ishwari's expectation from Dev was that he would come to her like how Neha came to her and say that he likes Sonakshi, ask her opinion and then leave the details to adults to work it out. But Dev did nothing of the sort. He went directly to Sonakshi bypassing Ishwari and proposed to her, and she accepted. After that for quite some time they hid their relationship from Ishwari.

Ishwari started to get the feeling that there is more than just boss employee relationship between Dev and Sonakshi during Neha's wedding. She was especially hurt by Sonakshi saying that she convinced Neha regarding the lehenga because Dev asked her. Till then she was the go to person for Dev. He would come to her for advice and do as she guided him. Here he told about a family crisis to an "outsider". From her perspective Dev gave importance to an "outsider's" counsel and did not accept her words. Didn't he argue in front of Ishwari as to why Neha should wear the lehenga given by Ranveer's family if she doesn't like it.

This was followed by many other such incidents where he accepted Sonakshi's advice and did as she told her. Like when he ordered food from the restaurant she recommended when the foreign clients come to IN. In such cases her expectation was that Dev would ask her for next steps like instead of saying Sonakshi said you are not feeling well. So we will order food from this restaurant which Sonakshi has recommended. What he should have said was you are not feeling well so from which restaurant should we order the food from. What she wanted was the respect as head of the family. Since Dev was her "good son", it was Sonakshi who was teaching him to be "bad son". This is exactly why she brought out the chula after maamaji confirms that Dev does love Sonakshi. What she was trying to say was she has not retired. She was still strong and in working condition so she was perfectly capable of managing her household and did not need another head of the house.

One of the things I frequently learn from my son is English grammar. When i ask him "can I have a glass of water", he usually corrects me and says that the right grammar is "may I have a glass of water". What he says is I should not ask permission to drink water but just request him to give me a cup of water to drink. Ishwari was expecting Dev to seek her permission before he fell in love irrevocably. What Dev did was come and tells her "we" have chosen each other. Are you ok with that. Here too if Dev had said "I" have chosen, it would have been different. But Dev said it as a mutual decision. Like we have already decided and we are just letting you know. She felt sidelined. At that moment she accepted Sonakshi and said Dev's happiness was her happiness.

The more truth regarding their relationship was revealed, the more she became agitated and discarded. She started to feel that she doesn't have any say as to what goes on in Dev's life, that he would not need her nor would he come back to her or even remember her. With all these thoughts she overdosed on the pills. When Dev broke up with Sonakshi citing the reason as "incompatible", she accepted it because that is what she felt. Hence she did not really want to accept that Dev was breaking down or that all was not well with him.

The way she looked at her sending Ritwick's alliance was her making amends to Dev breaking Sonakshi's heart. When Dev broke her phone, he gifted her a new one. He first asked his mom to give it to her. At that time Sonakshi did not accept it. This is exactly what she tried to do with Ritwick. She put that whole Dev loving her or proposing her and then breaking up with her as a mistake of his and as his mother her duty to make amends. To fix Sonakshi's life and give her happiness that Dev took away from her. If Sonakshi did not accept the phone from Ishwari's hands, she did accept the proposal. It is very similar to helping the girls of that area get married for breaking up that one marriage long ago.

Ishwari doesn't know what Dev did during that break up. What she does know is that Sonakshi personally sent the invitation and asked Dev to come there. When Dev asks permission from Ishwari, both times she advises him against it. Dev then says that Sonakshi has personally invited him and wants him to go. She also doesn't know that maamaji had talked to Dev. The way she looked at it was once again Sonakshi forcing her decision on Dev. That Sonakshi wanted him to come and forced Dev to attend her engagement ceremony by sending the invitation. She blamed Sonakshi for Dev's inebriated condition. The one who did that was not "her son".

Her giving approval for Dev and Sonakshi's marriage is once again about making amends to Dev's mistakes. When she goes to maamaji's room in the morning even before she talks about Dev, maami tells that Sonakshi's engagement is broken. Once maami was out of sight, her first question to maamaji is, is she responsible for that too. That the society is not kind for girls whose engagement gets broken and here Sonakshi's engagement broke because of "her son". Lot of her acceptance of this marriage came from her want to assuage her guilt. Cause it was "her son" who is the responsible for Sonakshi getting hurt. She thinks Dev is not happy because of his guilt of hurting Sonakshi and not that he loves her deeply. She saw it as Sonakshi playing with Dev's guilt, the one she knows and has used in the past. She felt Sonakshi was doing the same. That is how she accepted Bengali wedding and non veg food. Saw it more as atoning for Dev's mistakes. Like mom paying the store keeper money cause her kid broke the glass or spilled the stuff.

Although she had given her "yes", she also wanted to teach Dev that he was wrong, that his decision, his choice was wrong. As a mother don't we want our kids to learn from mistakes, don't we say we should let them make their own mistakes. This is exactly how she saw the marriage. She wanted both Dev and Sonakshi to learn their mistakes. She wanted them to say they were wrong and that she was right. She especially expected Dev to say that. Even with the separation that has happened now, Ishwari doesn't take any responsibility. From her perspective she had given both Dev and Sonakshi the choice to live or break up. She did not do anything other than show them how wrong they were for each other. Aren't mothers supposed to guide the children and show them the right way.

As Sam mentioned in one of the previous posts Ishwari expected Dev to come back to her and say she was right. Not blame her and distance himself. She attributed all this as Sonakshi's doing and as her(Sona) brainwashing him.

Coming back from Vaishno Devi, she wants to trust with what Dev had told her before she left. That Sonakshi means nothing to him except as Suhana's mother and that she has no place of importance in his life. She truly is trying very hard( with her limits) to believe Dev's words. The way she is looking at it now is once again it is not Dev who is trying to bring Sonakshi into his life, but it is Sonakshi herself who is trying to come back to his life. With her seeing Sonakshi check his face, her pushing Dev to come forward to his mother, she deciding to stay for one more week, Ishwari feels that Sonakshi has once again entrapped Dev. For her Sonakshi has been sent by God to punish Dev for what she did with that family. Hence when she prayed to god she asked herself to be punished for her mistakes and spare Dev.

Right now there are 2 main tracks running simultaneously from Ishwari's pov. One is the time when Ishwari overhears Dev and Sonakshi following the puja and starts acting up and the other one is the episodes preceding the one in which Ishwari throws the food given to her by Sonakshi as per her diet chart. Ishwari this time will ask Sonakshi to leave, not indirectly but directly as she did at that time. If at that time Dev should her reports and Dr. Sinhas assessment of her health, this time he will give her the address of the house where those people are living now. He will elucidate Sonakshi's role in making that happen. That will be the first step towards Ishwari's realization.

The above post is my view and not intended to hurt anyone.


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Hi Shaavi,
You have brilliantly penned down your thoughts about ishwari.
I really had liked ishwari for the 1st 80-90 episodes and could understand where her insecurities stemmed from. The only part I felt was she getting so worked up and consuming over dose of sleeping pills was too much. Also before that she pretended to be different in front of Dev as if she had accepted sonakshi and with sonakshi she behaved very bitter. But her 1st selfish form was revealed during 1st break up. She stayed in a denial that breakup happened because of her. She knew it but took it to her advantage that it was a good riddance and Dev is so very strong that when he conquered his fate and achieved so much , a girl was very easy to forget and move on for him. She had come to know later that Dev calls sonakshi... she still preferred to live in a denial because that was what she wanted to believe.
Later things got worse wrt manipulations but the worst stroke were prenup and infertility. She cheated her own son on even legal grounds forget moral to get his sign on a legal document. When she realized that sonakshi has only 7% chances of conceiving. She emotionally blackmailed Dev to get sonakshi convinced for the treatment only then can she be back. She forgot the basic empathy of womanhood. She forgot what as a woman sonakshi must be feeling. In time to come sonakshi herself would have opted for the treatment even though it's emotionally draining because every woman who wants a baby and can afford the treatment does go through it if she cannot conceive naturally. But she didn't think as a woman. Her role in life is only that of a mother who thinks she knows the best for her son and only she knows it... that's where everything does wrong.


@everyone in this thread are wonderful writers... it's such a pleasure reading analysis here!

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: bashingHater


You are definitely right. Why I think so?

During Ritwick track, he came to know how hurt Sonakshi was when he was stalking her and left her on her own as he did not want to aggravate the situation.

Similarly, he might have thought that he has hurt Boses so much that they are forced to leave the town. He did not want to complicate things. Maybe, he had helped them with settlement in Kolkata.

Whatever it is, I want its full disclosure just like Dev's casanova status (physical intimacy).

Edited:
Forgot to add, I like your Rumi references. I like his sufiana kalaam and how you relate it to KRPKAB.

BTW, I explained the loan issue in one of the posts. They were left with 50 lakhs after the payment of their loan.



Yes, Dev knows that Sonakshi doesn't like his stalking avatar. But he still stalked thrice post leap, in spite of her dislike - finding about Suhana's parentage, finding about Jatin and Sona's real relationship and most recently Asha and Sona's conversation in kitchen. Did he really not keep an eye on her when she moved to Kolkata (just because Sona doesn't like😕)? If yes, then why did he stalk now? I am really confused.


And yes, I remember your post. You explained the transactions very logically👏. However, even if Boses were left with 50 lakhs, it doesn't justify Dev not trying to find about them. Because they loved each other and money was never important for Dev than personal relationships.

Thank you so much. Glad you liked them😊
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Shaavi

My today's post is about Ishwari. I am just trying to lay out her perspective and pov. It does not mean that I am ok with what she did or doing. The whole of the post is exclusively from Ishwari's perspective.

When I think about Ishwari in reference to previous episodes and her actions and thought process, I feel I see a new side and another layer revealed. Today after watching Ishwari, her words, her body language, my brain started turning. 😆 . When maami was trying to instigate and Ishwari blamed her "karma", it was very revealing. When we usually go to temple or any place of worship, we usually think about our past, thank god for our present circumstances(if it is going good) and hope for a better future. We also repent for our mistakes. That is exactly why Ishwari faulted her "karma" as the reason for all the things that happened.

Ishwari belongs to old school. The way she looks at things is children taking permission, counseling and advice from their parents before making big decisions. What she was believing was Dev would first come and tell her if he liked/likes a girl. Choosing a life partner is a big decision. One that not only affects him, but also the entire family. She being the head of the house wanted her choice, her yes/not to matter for her kids, especially Dev as he was her "perfect" child. This was one of the reasons why she was ok with Natasha. The proposal came to her first. She was given the choice. The "respect" as the head of the family. When he broke up with Natasha it was Dev's responsibility to tell the truth. What he admitted to Natasha is what he should have told Ishwari. Even in Neha Ranveer case, she came to know Neha's decision to marry Ranveer the same time Ranveer came to know her decision. It was not "hidden" from her. She was "included" in their lives.

Dev didn't do this. He went and confessed his feelings to Sonakshi first. And she accepted. Here is where she feels Sonakshi is wrong. From her perspective Sonakshi should have rejected Dev and maintain her dignity. This was shown in the FB where Ishwari is insulted and accused of trying to seduce the man of the house by wearing torn saree. At that time Ishwari brought a new saree for herself at the time when they didn't have enough to eat. In her thoughts she chose her respect over what she could have gotten if she had accepted. I am by no means pointing finger at Sonakshi saying it was wrong of her to love Dev or any such thing. I am just writing Ishwari's thoughts and outlooks.

Ishwari's expectation from Dev was that he would come to her like how Neha came to her and say that he likes Sonakshi, ask her opinion and then leave the details to adults to work it out. But Dev did nothing of the sort. He went directly to Sonakshi bypassing Ishwari and proposed to her, and she accepted. After that for quite some time they hid their relationship from Ishwari.

Ishwari started to get the feeling that there is more than just boss employee relationship between Dev and Sonakshi during Neha's wedding. She was especially hurt by Sonakshi saying that she convinced Neha regarding the lehenga because Dev asked her. Till then she was the go to person for Dev. He would come to her for advice and do as she guided him. Here he told about a family crisis to an "outsider". From her perspective Dev gave importance to an "outsider's" counsel and did not accept her words. Didn't he argue in front of Ishwari as to why Neha should wear the lehenga given by Ranveer's family if she doesn't like it.

This was followed by many other such incidents where he accepted Sonakshi's advice and did as she told her. Like when he ordered food from the restaurant she recommended when the foreign clients come to IN. In such cases her expectation was that Dev would ask her for next steps like instead of saying Sonakshi said you are not feeling well. So we will order food from this restaurant which Sonakshi has recommended. What he should have said was you are not feeling well so from which restaurant should we order the food from. What she wanted was the respect as head of the family. Since Dev was her "good son", it was Sonakshi who was teaching him to be "bad son". This is exactly why she brought out the chula after maamaji confirms that Dev does love Sonakshi. What she was trying to say was she has not retired. She was still strong and in working condition so she was perfectly capable of managing her household and did not need another head of the house.

One of the things I frequently learn from my son is English grammar. When i ask him "can I have a glass of water", he usually corrects me and says that the right grammar is "may I have a glass of water". What he says is I should not ask permission to drink water but just request him to give me a cup of water to drink. Ishwari was expecting Dev to seek her permission before he fell in love irrevocably. What Dev did was come and tells her "we" have chosen each other. Are you ok with that. Here too if Dev had said "I" have chosen, it would have been different. But Dev said it as a mutual decision. Like we have already decided and we are just letting you know. She felt sidelined. At that moment she accepted Sonakshi and said Dev's happiness was her happiness.

The more truth regarding their relationship was revealed, the more she became agitated and discarded. She started to feel that she doesn't have any say as to what goes on in Dev's life, that he would not need her nor would he come back to her or even remember her. With all these thoughts she overdosed on the pills. When Dev broke up with Sonakshi citing the reason as "incompatible", she accepted it because that is what she felt. Hence she did not really want to accept that Dev was breaking down or that all was not well with him.

The way she looked at her sending Ritwick's alliance was her making amends to Dev breaking Sonakshi's heart. When Dev broke her phone, he gifted her a new one. He first asked his mom to give it to her. At that time Sonakshi did not accept it. This is exactly what she tried to do with Ritwick. She put that whole Dev loving her or proposing her and then breaking up with her as a mistake of his and as his mother her duty to make amends. To fix Sonakshi's life and give her happiness that Dev took away from her. If Sonakshi did not accept the phone from Ishwari's hands, she did accept the proposal. It is very similar to helping the girls of that area get married for breaking up that one marriage long ago.

Ishwari doesn't know what Dev did during that break up. What she does know is that Sonakshi personally sent the invitation and asked Dev to come there. When Dev asks permission from Ishwari, both times she advises him against it. Dev then says that Sonakshi has personally invited him and wants him to go. She also doesn't know that maamaji had talked to Dev. The way she looked at it was once again Sonakshi forcing her decision on Dev. That Sonakshi wanted him to come and forced Dev to attend her engagement ceremony by sending the invitation. She blamed Sonakshi for Dev's inebriated condition. The one who did that was not "her son".

Her giving approval for Dev and Sonakshi's marriage is once again about making amends to Dev's mistakes. When she goes to maamaji's room in the morning even before she talks about Dev, maami tells that Sonakshi's engagement is broken. Once maami was out of sight, her first question to maamaji is, is she responsible for that too. That the society is not kind for girls whose engagement gets broken and here Sonakshi's engagement broke because of "her son". Lot of her acceptance of this marriage came from her want to assuage her guilt. Cause it was "her son" who is the responsible for Sonakshi getting hurt. She thinks Dev is not happy because of his guilt of hurting Sonakshi and not that he loves her deeply. She saw it as Sonakshi playing with Dev's guilt, the one she knows and has used in the past. She felt Sonakshi was doing the same. That is how she accepted Bengali wedding and non veg food. Saw it more as atoning for Dev's mistakes. Like mom paying the store keeper money cause her kid broke the glass or spilled the stuff.

Although she had given her "yes", she also wanted to teach Dev that he was wrong, that his decision, his choice was wrong. As a mother don't we want our kids to learn from mistakes, don't we say we should let them make their own mistakes. This is exactly how she saw the marriage. She wanted both Dev and Sonakshi to learn their mistakes. She wanted them to say they were wrong and that she was right. She especially expected Dev to say that. Even with the separation that has happened now, Ishwari doesn't take any responsibility. From her perspective she had given both Dev and Sonakshi the choice to live or break up. She did not do anything other than show them how wrong they were for each other. Aren't mothers supposed to guide the children and show them the right way.

As Sam mentioned in one of the previous posts Ishwari expected Dev to come back to her and say she was right. Not blame her and distance himself. She attributed all this as Sonakshi's doing and as her(Sona) brainwashing him.

Coming back from Vaishno Devi, she wants to trust with what Dev had told her before she left. That Sonakshi means nothing to him except as Suhana's mother and that she has no place of importance in his life. She truly is trying very hard( with her limits) to believe Dev's words. The way she is looking at it now is once again it is not Dev who is trying to bring Sonakshi into his life, but it is Sonakshi herself who is trying to come back to his life. With her seeing Sonakshi check his face, her pushing Dev to come forward to his mother, she deciding to stay for one more week, Ishwari feels that Sonakshi has once again entrapped Dev. For her Sonakshi has been sent by God to punish Dev for what she did with that family. Hence when she prayed to god she asked herself to be punished for her mistakes and spare Dev.

Right now there are 2 main tracks running simultaneously from Ishwari's pov. One is the time when Ishwari overhears Dev and Sonakshi following the puja and starts acting up and the other one is the episodes preceding the one in which Ishwari throws the food given to her by Sonakshi as per her diet chart. Ishwari this time will ask Sonakshi to leave, not indirectly but directly as she did at that time. If at that time Dev should her reports and Dr. Sinhas assessment of her health, this time he will give her the address of the house where those people are living now. He will elucidate Sonakshi's role in making that happen. That will be the first step towards Ishwari's realization.

The above post is my view and not intended to hurt anyone.


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Excellent analysis Shaavi 👏👏
I don't think I could have understood Ishwari, the way you have. Ishwari seems to have had her share of introspection at Vaishno Devi.


However, when Mr. Gujral asked for Dev's hand from Ishwari, Ishwari told Dev that only he has to take that decision and she cannot help him even if he asked for her help. She empowered Dev to take autonomous decision in this regard during this phase. And so Dev turned to Sonakshi for guidance and help. Ishwari had even assured Dev that she would be with him whatever his decision was, and when he eventually chose Sonakshi for himself as his life partner, she felt hurt because he did not consider her while taking this big decision of his life. If she really did not want him to decide autonomously about his marriage, she should have at least dropped a hint.


And not only with Ishwari, Dev had also taken autonomous decision to cancel his honeymoon without consulting Sonakshi. He felt he could take such decisions and people close to him would understand him and therefore not feel hurt. He felt it was his haq, and thus his behavior.
Edited by dreamy.tiara - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: ltelidevara

Agree with you. However busy she is Sona should tell Dev about Mami. They both have to inform Iswari also who blindly believes her brother's wife. Ofcourse Iswari may defend her and blame Sona for spoiling their relationships. Still better to be transparent and frank.I am waiting to see Dev's reaction when he hears about the tablet.


This is where Sonakshi's fault lies. She hides things expecting everyone to know them just like she does. I can relate to her here cause i used to be like that. I used to work very hard and expected my manager to notice and know who did what in the team. But only after getting burned a few times, i realized that unless I speak up and stop being naive, it is not going to work. A personal example that I remember always is this --

Both me and my team mate were sent the same document to analyze and ask questions. Around 30 minutes before the deadline, my team mate came to me and said that she did not get a chance to go through the document and asked me if I had the chance. I said that I had read that and had my questions. She asked me to help her. I did, I gave her the summary of the document and some of my questions. When we went to talk to our manager before I could say anything, she started telling the summary i gave her and my questions. Our manager was impressed. I did not say anything although I was hurt. My team mate gave me some reason and I did not pursue further thinking it was ok, it was for the team. She did that a couple more times and gave similar reasons. But by now I had learnt my lesson. The next time she tried the same formula, I told her that I also had not got a chance to read the document, and asked her if she had got a chance. Then in front of the manager, it was me showcasing the work and she had to accept that she hadn't really given 100%.

Here Sonakshi has not learnt from her past mistakes because she does not think that she has made any mistake in hiding it. But this is a lesson that she is going to learn the hard way whether she likes it or not. Only when that happens there will be a possibility of Sonakshi coming back as Dev's partner. 😃
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: bashingHater

@tia

When I analyse the characters, I do not justify them. Like I said, if I was justifying them, I would like to act in a similar way. I never say what the character is doing is right or wrong because I am taught not to tell people they are right or wrong. I tell the reasons and people can take interpretations from it.
When I analyse behaviors of the characters, I want to show that people can think in that manner and can have varied personalities. Whether it is normal or not, you can decide.

If I start giving my opinion on the characters behavior, I will be bashed since my language would be very harsh.😡

The only time I gave opinion about characters was when I said Vicky-Elena were being bad parents and Sonakshi is a good mother.

Now for Dev part, by following Sonakshi, I meant the physical following or stalking. I said he might have helped in settlement of the Boses. If he didn't, this might be his thought process behind his acts. Whether it is right or wrong, I will not comment on that. And Dev did give up on Sonakshi after the office meeting. Had he not visited the engagement, you wouldn't have seen their marriage on TV.

And this is all an assumption, so lets see how its played out.😊


@Blue: Of course, neither do I and I agree with whatever you have conveyed in the blue part 👍🏼. I meant how would Dev justify himself to Sonakshi or Soha as to why he didn't follow them or try to meet/contact them during that phase, if they happen to ask (well, Soha already did), when he still has the tendency to do so. Sorry, if you misunderstood my words. 😊


@black: There are lots of speculations regarding what may have happened during that phase. Maybe what we are seeing is only the tip of the iceberg. I guess we could only wait and watch the scenes unfold and reveal the actual truth.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Shaavi

Aarcha, I understand what you are saying and agree with you. I am just trying to understand how Ishwari's come to being. Why they feel so insecured, where that fear is stemming from. This is an example that helped me.

Imagine you have a garden with some flowering plants, but only one fruit bearing plant. It is a mango plant and you know can give the most juiciest and sweetest mangoes. So you tend to it with special care. give it the special fertilizer, keep it weed free make sure it is watered and that it is protected from anything harmful like the insects or pests. The plant grows to a tree and starts bearing fruits. You start enjoying them. You go even to the extent of sharing the fruits as long as no one asks you to share the tree or comment on it. Then here comes another gardener and the taste of the fruit starts changing. Where the fruit was once red and round, it is now yellow and long. You find that this new gardener has changed the composition of soil, reduced the amount of water you used to put and has started to treat that tree as a tree as opposed to a plant in need of gentle care. How would one feel in this case.

This is exactly Ishwari's plight. She has looked at Dev as her investment, her everything. He was the person who would make her dream a reality. He cared for her dreams and told her that they mattered. When Sonakshi saw the weight of those dreams and desires she felt bad. She wanted to lend a hand to Dev which is all nice and good and what she did was right. But in that process, it brought out the loopholes in Ishwari's upbringing. Where ishwari still thought of him as a delicate plant in need of protection, Sonakshi said that he is a tree and don't need so much care. For Ishwari this is not her son. What she wanted was a person who would share the fruit, but not claim the tree. Here Sonakshi was claiming the tree.

With Sonakshi, Dev changed in a way where the real Dev came out. Someone whom Ishwari did not recognize. When the HM was cancelled or when she came to know that Dev and Sonakshi had other plans for birthday and it got ruined because of her, Ishwari apologizes to Sonakshi and not Dev. This is very significant because the way Ishwari saw the HM was that Dev did not really want to go. He was doing it because Sonakshi wanted it. Sitting at the dining table Dev says how Sonakshi had planned the whole thing and how she had always wanted to go to Paris. He doesn't say "we" want to go there or that it was "their" choice. Similarly on the birthday fiasco it was once again Dev saying Sonakshi had planned this. The way ishwari saw was that Sonakshi has brainwashed Dev and he is doing as she is telling him to do even though he doesn't want to do it himself. She was his mom. Didn't she know him, her son. Her son wouldn't want to go on vacation leaving his work. He wouldn't want to stay out at midnight without telling his mother. Admitting that he wants all this is admitting that she doesn't know her son. That he is grown up. This is something a mother whose world revolves around her son, who has nothing else left to think apart from him find it hard to do(I am speaking in general. not intended to hurt anyone). She doesn't like it that someone is telling her to give up or that there are deficiencies in the tending of the tree that she did it for so long. That the tree doesn't need that amount of water as she used to give it when it was a plant.

This is one of the reasons why she keeps pulling him back to the past, where she mattered to the plant. The plant needed her. She knew what the plant wanted and could give it. Even in yesterday's episode Ishwari's expectation was that it was Dev who told Sonakshi that they will stay back at In since she just came back and he wants his daughter to spend time with her. But Dev did nothing of that sort. He was ready to leave her whom he had not seen for days. It is Sonakshi who is saying we will stay back and Dev just agreed to it. This once again reaffirms her belief that she needs to protect him from Sonakshi.

A couple of other highlights for me in yesterday's episode were --

1) RR referring to herself as"GKB" and not "Ex-GKB". Earlier in season 2 even with Ishwari, RR always referred to herself as Ex GKB. but in yesterday's episode she referred to herself as just GKB twice. I don't know if it is just a mistake in the script or if it was intentional to show where she is headed.

2) Bijoy not at Bose house when Sonakshi said that she has decided to stay back at IN. From his perspective Sonakshi would do no such thing, so it is all Dev's fault. He is the one who forced her is what he is going to think when he comes back to Bose house or when he comes to know.

3) Ever since Dev's confession, whenever they get into an awkward situation with remembering their old times or talking about "we", it is Dev who is snapping out if it sooner than Sonakshi. Earlier it was Sonakshi who would come to present quicker.

4) Just like Dev in season 1 who used to constantly touch Sonakshi to ensure that she is there with him, it is Sonakshi who is doing so now. She keeps inculpating to assure herself that he is there with her. When she does that automatically Dev responds by accepting it. 😃


@Bold I completely agree with this part but my problem is Why mother is seeing her own child as a investment on which she wants a return on her terms and condition. He is her son. As a parent you should love your child because he or she is your child.And for one mango tree you cannot ignore rest of the plants.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: bashingHater

@Tia

I did misunderstood your words and thanks for the clarification.

What Sonakshi and Soha have to think about him, lets see if we are able to see that and lets just wait for CV's to play this out.😃



Its okay buddy, I didn't mind...😆😊 It is good that you pointed the loopholes in my words...

Yup, I am looking forward to every bit of it!...
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Shaavi



A couple of other highlights for me in yesterday's episode were --

1) RR referring to herself as"GKB" and not "Ex-GKB". Earlier in season 2 even with Ishwari, RR always referred to herself as Ex GKB. but in yesterday's episode she referred to herself as just GKB twice. I don't know if it is just a mistake in the script or if it was intentional to show where she is headed.

2) Bijoy not at Bose house when Sonakshi said that she has decided to stay back at IN. From his perspective Sonakshi would do no such thing, so it is all Dev's fault. He is the one who forced her is what he is going to think when he comes back to Bose house or when he comes to know.

3) Ever since Dev's confession, whenever they get into an awkward situation with remembering their old times or talking about "we", it is Dev who is snapping out if it sooner than Sonakshi. Earlier it was Sonakshi who would come to present quicker.

4) Just like Dev in season 1 who used to constantly touch Sonakshi to ensure that she is there with him, it is Sonakshi who is doing so now. She keeps inculpating to assure herself that he is there with her. When she does that automatically Dev responds by accepting it. 😃




I loved your points Shaavi 👏

Also, I found Sonakshi calling herself Dev's mom and Dev worshiping her quite significant. Does that mean Dev is all set to put her in the pedestal that was once reserved only for his mom?
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Posted: 8 years ago

However, when Mr. Gujral asked for Dev's hand from Ishwari, Ishwari told Dev that only he has to take that decision and she cannot help him even if he asked for her help. She empowered Dev to take autonomous decision in this regard during this phase. And so Dev turned to Sonakshi for guidance and help. Ishwari had even assured Dev that she would be with him whatever his decision was, and when he eventually chose Sonakshi for himself as his life partner, she felt hurt because he did not consider her while taking this big decision of his life. If she really did not want him to decide autonomously about his marriage, she should have at least dropped a hint.

@ Tia

Shaavi analysed this thoroughly. In Natasha's case Iswari was immensely satisfied as the alliance was first brought to her by Gujral . Dev has nothing to do with it.So she is willing to leave the choice to Dev. Whatever his decision she said she will accept. Like Shaavi said Iswari belongs to old school of thought.For her elders will play active role in fixing matches. Hence she has no objection to do so. Sonakshi is Dev's choice. She was not given her due in selecting her. Since the choice was made she can not tell her opinion.

Yes. He cancelled the honeymoon on his own. That was his impulsive decision. Later he regretted not fulfilling Sona's wish.He admitted it before her also.

@ Shaavi

Your further analysis on Iswari ...just awesome. I don't need to say anything more. Agree with everything.

Lakshmi


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Hey guys wonderful analysis everyone. Special mention to Shaavi's post on Ishwari, it was simply spot on.

Wanted to mention something about today's episode, so choose the safest place to write. May be i am assuming things and Monday's episode will be shown in different light, but this is what i can say from today's episode.

I somehow feel Devkashi has trust issues with each other even now. The moment family matters steps in they don't trust each other.

Dev was more of angry and annoyed today. Although his maa's self respect and some dialogues irritated me. But it was still "hum" for him.
Ab hum kya karege

I know he will be bashed left, right, center for not trusting sona, but i felt he was more angry today. He didn't knew about Sona's master plan, so he scolded her for being careless and got annoyed. Somewhere it was justified also as he was not aware of the truth. But as usual he was not able to control his anger. Although, i am assuming that he will go to say sorry to sona and talk about future plan, when he will over hear that conversation. Lets see what exactly happens.

Coming to Sona, she is exactly behaving the same way, she used to after marriage. Dev is impulsive, angry, so don't tell him anything and solve everything yourself. She still has MAJOR trust issues with Dev. N its not only related to dev but to her own thought process also. She still thinks taking matters in her own hands and hiding things from dev is the best solution of all the problem.
Today also she did the same. I completely agree with her that Dev is impulsive and cannot control his anger. So not letting Dev follow khatri was a good option. But not telling him about her plan was something which i couldn't understand.

Yes Dev was blabbering and was not listening to Sona, but isn't Ms. Bose capable of shutting up Mr. Dixit. Oh yes she is. Problem is not sona trusting Jotin over Dev, but actually not trusting dev in knowing the truth. N reasons will be same, Dev's weakness.

The point is if they cannot trust each other and are still hiding things, then what's point of reconciliation. Its really important for them to trust each other, inspite of their weakness. It was a major flaw in their marriage and if they repeat the same mistake again, then we can see third break up and a leap.

Shaavi i can see ur predictions coming true, but i really hope Sona learns to trust Dev before she realises her love again.

Sorry for ranting about Jotin, but i have to, otherwise i will make Mahua mad in PM. :/ I literally crossed my fingers and prayed that its not jotin who is following Khatri. But alas, he was the one and the moment i saw him all i could think about was shaavi.
Y can't sona hire some private detective :(


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