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timbarucha83

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Posted: 8 years ago

#241

Originally posted by: cscs
I really think Devakshi should tell Ishu the truth. Aren't they tired of hiding things 7 years back and still doing the same thing. Earlier also ishwari had problems that she was not a part of their team and today also when she will come to know about truth, she will feel bad. :/
What are they planning, to surprise Ishwari with the missing family. Le maa tera bday gift.

N one more thing, by involving Ishwari, they can simply ask her about the family. I mean she must be knowing who lived in that 12 number house. She can tell them straight away. N what's the point of beating or bribing khatri. Or even trusting him. Both devakshi are heavily relying on Khatri's version of theft. What they are trying to get from khatri, ishwari can tell them.

And about telling to the Ishu mata if you ask me if I was dev dixit or sona I would not have told ishu directly because you don't know how she will react. Dev and sona first want to meet that family and talk. They want to make sure when the family is going to meet ishu she will be guilt free. If i was dev or sona. I will first meet the family and ask them to meet Ishu in their absence and make her gulit free with out letting know that they know about this fact. Because for a mother is it not a good thing that his child knows about her crime. and especially when the mother is like Ishu who want to be perfect in his son's eyes. This is dev dixit and sona style. And if they speck directly it will hamper the Ishu's image in front of mami and her red and they can misuse them. But as per my calculation dev is forced to say openly about Ishu's crime to while defending the sona.

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ltelidevara

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Posted: 8 years ago

#242

Totally disagree with the view that Iswari should not be told till the family gets traced. She won't take it in a positive way.

Iswari is a complicated ch. She would first think that Dev and Sona did every thing without taking her into confidence.She would definitely look at it as a conspiracy since she would feel Dev should discuss it with her and then take action. Also if suddenly she comes across that family she would feel humiliated and embarrassed.

It is not easy for her to interact with them and say sorry all of a sudden because her first concern will be about Sonakshi knowing her truth,next concern will be her getting dethroned from her goddess status in Dev's heart and then she will have concern for the family that suffered due to her. That doesn't mean she is not regretting or not ready to apologise. But she should be made to realise first about Sonakshi's heartful endeavour in dealing with Khatri and tracing out the family.

So there are three phases for her First phase She has to accept Sonakshi's involvement then she has to reconcile with her son knowing her truth and there by accepting her human status . The third phase is her submission and confession before the family. If she has to face the third phase directly she may not be able to handle herself properly .

So Dev and Sona should first prepare Iswari towards the third face. By hiding the matter they are making things complicated.

Still holds the same view like I said yesterday,Jatin should not be involved not that he is not competent but because the issue relates to Dev and IIswari .Dev should be allowed to tackle the matter.

Why should Sona expect Dev to handle the matter in a way that she wanted to? Dev is emotional,impulsive but he has his own ways to handle Khatri. If he falter let him deal with the consequences again. It is his battle not Jatin's or Sona's. I totally agree with malikakas views on this and also with cscs. Sonakshi should let Dev take lead and be his moral support.

Very few people will show such magnanimity that Sona exhibited towards Iswari who is her offender. I hope Iswari realises this and don't spoil things for Dev by disowning Sonakshi as the mother of Soha.

Having said that I admit Dev Dixit is way ahead as a man who readily identifies his lapses and beg pardon. Ofcourse he will defend Sonakshi before Mami,or any one for that matter. He already did that before Vicky.

Lakshmi

Edited by ltelidevara - 8 years ago

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ltelidevara

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Posted: 8 years ago

#243

Originally posted by: bashingHater
@Lakshmi
Awesome writing there. I agree with you that Ishwari should be made aware of Dev-Sona's endeavour but it should be done after they find out about the family. If they convey it to her before finding the family, Ishwari might believe that Sonakshi is lying about finding the family and is doing all this to get back to the house as she has been instigated by Mami many times regarding Sonakshi's entry in IN. She might think that she is doing all this to get back with Dev. So finding the family means she is doing it for Ishwari's respect and honor and not for getting back with Dev (Ishwari's thinking).

Agree with you. Iswari will think Sona is manipulating things. But my point here is even if they trace the family they should first deal with Iswari and then present the family before her. There should be enough space between both.If they hasten the process in their excitement to make Iswari guilt free they will end up rubbing her on the wrong side. I hope they take time and resolve the issues.

Lakshmi

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malikakas

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Posted: 8 years ago

#244

Originally posted by: cscs
I really think Devakshi should tell Ishu the truth. Aren't they tired of hiding things 7 years back and still doing the same thing. Earlier also ishwari had problems that she was not a part of their team and today also when she will come to know about truth, she will feel bad. :/
What are they planning, to surprise Ishwari with the missing family. Le maa tera bday gift.

N one more thing, by involving Ishwari, they can simply ask her about the family. I mean she must be knowing who lived in that 12 number house. She can tell them straight away. N what's the point of beating or bribing khatri. Or even trusting him. Both devakshi are heavily relying on Khatri's version of theft. What they are trying to get from khatri, ishwari can tell them.

This so much. I don't see any reason to hide this from Ishwari. Honestly the writing is a bit confusing.. because initially Sonakshi was waiting for Ishwari to come back. Now it seems she just wants to deal with it herself. The fact that she knows Dev has a tendency to overreact should make it more important to not leave Dev out of the loop and same with Ishwari.

And definitely they don't need Khatri.. Ishwari would have enough information that a good PI could use to figure out where the missing family is.

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malikakas

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Posted: 8 years ago

#245

Originally posted by: Drcs

This is my take on yesterday's epi...I don't understand why shouldn't Sonakshi seek Jotin's help. She knows that Dev has anger management issues and Khatri's case is very sensitive...being a rational and practical person she wants to resolve the case rather than complicate it...what is important is how skillfully you tackle the case rather than who resolves it...Sonakshi knows what to divulge to Jotin and she has been very candid about it also...in the given situation Jotin can manage the issue prudently than Dev so she has sought his help...she loves Dev but she wants to have a "NO-STRIGS-ATTACHED" relationship with him...this is based on her past experience...In S2 especially after the Khatri fiasco, I have great respect for Sonakshi's character...kudos to the CVs for portraying her in this way...you need to have big heart to go out of the way to save someone's respect, especially when that very person is the root cause for the turmoil you have faced in your life... throughout S2 if you look at it impartially, Sonakshi is at the receiving end in their relationship...she has been the giver...yes Dev also saved Sourabh's marriage... however except Bijoy everyone at Bose house had been cordial with him. That's not the case with Sonakshi, if she decides to stay in Dixit house, she has to face all traumas single handedly without anyone's support...I want to see at least one scene, where Dev defends Sona the way he defended Asha with Mami...So my point is when it comes to his Maa, Mr Dev Dixit can be so unpredictable hence she has sought the help of someone whom she knows will support her without expecting anything in return... the same manner in which she is helping out Dev...what is Jotin to her is what she wants to be to Dev...she knows her feelings but do not want to fall in the trap again...earlier coming out from the relationship was relatively easy as she was alone...now she has to look at Soha's feelings also...at this juncture of her life she wants to do what she feels appropriate without emotionally investing in the relationship...I can relate to her and I respect her for what she is doing...I always had a leniency towards Dev but after Khathri fiasco, the wedding day celebrations, how she handled Dev's confession in inebriated state, I started loving Soankshi's character...she is a brave woman with a golden heart...period

The problem I have is that Sonakshi wants to resolve something that is not hers to resolve. I have no problem with Jatin being involved but I do have a problem with not involving Dev. Dev has anger issues.. but that doesn't mean Sonakshi has a right to keep him out of the loop. With that it makes me question what makes Sonakshi feel so empowered to think she is the only person who could handle Dixit family issues? Sonakshi has so much self confidence that she is somehow believing that she is the only one that can reasonably solve Dixit family issues... but that belief comes at the expense in respecting other people's abilities to solve their own problems. I don't respect it because it entails a sense of narcissism... that she is the superior being. In contrast, Dev solving Bose's issues.. didn't come from a place of narcissism that ONLY HE could solve their problems... he wanted to help to make their lives easier but not because he felt they are incompetent. He tried going to Sonakshi first but she rebuffed him and then later he knew Asha was in the loop. In Sona's situation it comes across as a self serving need to help in order to fulfill a void within herself. It negates that sense of golden heartedness that I should feel from her.

I disagree with your bolded statement that its not who tackles the problem but how it gets resolved. This is not a short term issue.. this is a long term one. Unless they kill off Khatri he always has the capacity to come back and harass them. Sona can't always be everywhere for the Dixits in order to prevent Khatri's interaction with them. When Sona hid the details from Dev.. the first person Khatri went to was Dev. Imagine if Sona didn't find Dev at the right time? She has released Khatri without discussing it with Dev.. now what if Khatri comes to the Dixit house and starts harassing them?

The problem is Sona is not at risk in this situation Dev and Ishwari are... so any gamble Sona takes is with their future not hers. She trusts her capabilities but really why should they without knowing what it entails? Even if a doctor knows something is going to save the patient's life.. he is still obligated to get informed consent. Sona asked Dev to trust her.. but she actually has to give him the opportunity to trust her by keeping him in the loop.

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malikakas

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Posted: 8 years ago

#246

Originally posted by: bashingHater
@Lakshmi
Awesome writing there. I agree with you that Ishwari should be made aware of Dev-Sona's endeavour but it should be done after they find out about the family. If they convey it to her before finding the family, Ishwari might believe that Sonakshi is lying about finding the family and is doing all this to get back to the house as she has been instigated by Mami many times regarding Sonakshi's entry in IN. She might think that she is doing all this to get back with Dev. So finding the family means she is doing it for Ishwari's respect and honor and not for getting back with Dev (Ishwari's thinking).

I don't know if I agree with that. Ishwari may think Sona is manipulating the situation.. but she may think that regardless of being before or after. But Sona and Dev lessen the risk of misunderstanding by being fully transparent with her. All of their problems in the past happened because one person or another between the trio thought hiding the truth was the best solution. Inevitably it always blew up in their faces.

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sjain

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Posted: 8 years ago

#247

Yesterday's episode was wonderful for me in many ways..Though what looks like trust issue between Dev Sonakshi..I would not call it that .. their is a better reasoning to it..More then trust issue I believe its the knack of this "protective" feeling they have which results in to such actions..Sonakshi asks Dev to trust him but didnt include him in her planning to me ..I feel she should have explained him their and then..not because of the trust problem but rightfully he should be aware of everything she has in her mind about this issue coz I always have said this matter is deeply related to Dev and is off course it main protagonist is Ishwari so ..He has full right to know what move Sonakshi is planning next..Sonakshi though did the same mistake which she did when she was hiding Khatri's truth from Dev..asa long as she could keep him away protecting him and everyone she kept on hiding it and on and on..but as soon as situation was out of her hands and she panicked..she immediately rushed to Dev for rescue..which she is doing again thought most probably she will be successful this time ..so this time the crisis like before wont happen..Also it gave me an interesting point to ponder she handled dev when he had face off with khatri at farmhouse..so why she couldnt handle him this time calming his anger and explaining him situation..well she said during Dev;s room interaction seeing his violent streak how she will handle this issue and Dev need to stay away..even few hours back Dev thrashed Khatri in police station kinda spoiling the situation..so during their argument or precisely when Dev blasted on her..she had her back up plan going on in her head and she feared that telling Dev might affect it..so she kept silent not making much effort to explain him anything

Also I liked how they showed 2 opposite situations in today;s episode in one scn they showed them as most trusting calm confident friends..who are each other's support and can read each other n best way..and in other scene they were shown having misunderstanding , difference of opinion and argument..and I was like smiling throughout..coz thats how 2 individuals are ..they can be pieces of puzzle who fits perfectly and in next moment they can be like chalk and cheese..where they can be different and difficult..A relationship/friendship doesnt move on same level always ..ups and downs fights anger is very natural factor of it..Thats REAL

Also this " protective" thing I mentioned reminds me of the incident which took place in past like apart from this recent khatri issue the major example of it is Dev not informing Sonakshi about her medical condition just to keep her safe..and even wanted to get treatment done so that she doesn't get hurt anyhow because of her infertility problem..Also one more thing Ishwari too hid Khatri's truth from Dev as she wanted to protect him from any sufferings ..Yes as child Dev would not have understood her reason circumstances may be but grown up Dev would have..She should have talked to him about it (I know its not easy to talk about something like this but she could have shared it with him to lessen her guilt and burden,getting much needed support and comfort from him)..this trait of shielding your loved ones from even a tiniest of scratch is leading to this kinda behaviour and its present in all 3 leads

I hope I am able to convey what I intend to..I am not justifying Sonakshi here but just trying to figure out the reason of her action

Also Ishwari looked much herself yesterday..her constant fear worry confusion..Everything was on point..She even tried to find out the reason of this cordialness between Dev Sonakshi..Her Scenes with Dev was nice..I actually enjoyed it..Dev's hesitation his respect for her as motnr..that I love you and hug in the end was emotional in right way..Their equation looks very intriguing on one side Dev is full of love respect for her yet this awkwardness he is feeling because of Khatri thing is very interesting ..On the other hand Ishwari fears that Sonakshi is again getting back in to Dev's life as their anger towards each other seems to have melted down ..also she can feel her son getting closer to her ( Ishwari) again which is kinda unexpected for her..and with this motnr son duo we have a third angle Sonakshi..who is acting as catalyst in a way..also her individual tuning with Ishwari is exciting..the hesitant smiles & tension around them..They never visibly show their emotions much but gestures and body language says it all..I have certain wishes regarding Sonakshi Ishwari ..Lets see of that happens though I doubt just Keeping my fingers crossed :)

No offence..My POV

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y.c.yetikaroxx

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Posted: 8 years ago

#248

Originally posted by: malikakas

The problem I have is that Sonakshi wants to resolve something that is not hers to resolve. I have no problem with Jatin being involved but I do have a problem with not involving Dev. Dev has anger issues.. but that doesn't mean Sonakshi has a right to keep him out of the loop. With that it makes me question what makes Sonakshi feel so empowered to think she is the only person who could handle Dixit family issues? Sonakshi has so much self confidence that she is somehow believing that she is the only one that can reasonably solve Dixit family issues... but that belief comes at the expense in respecting other people's abilities to solve their own problems. I don't respect it because it entails a sense of narcissism... that she is the superior being. In contrast, Dev solving Bose's issues.. didn't come from a place of narcissism that ONLY HE could solve their problems... he wanted to help to make their lives easier but not because he felt they are incompetent. He tried going to Sonakshi first but she rebuffed him and then later he knew Asha was in the loop. In Sona's situation it comes across as a self serving need to help in order to fulfill a void within herself. It negates that sense of golden heartedness that I should feel from her.

I disagree with your bolded statement that its not who tackles the problem but how it gets resolved. This is not a short term issue.. this is a long term one. Unless they kill off Khatri he always has the capacity to come back and harass them. Sona can't always be everywhere for the Dixits in order to prevent Khatri's interaction with them. When Sona hid the details from Dev.. the first person Khatri went to was Dev. Imagine if Sona didn't find Dev at the right time? She has released Khatri without discussing it with Dev.. now what if Khatri comes to the Dixit house and starts harassing them?

The problem is Sona is not at risk in this situation Dev and Ishwari are... so any gamble Sona takes is with their future not hers. She trusts her capabilities but really why should they without knowing what it entails? Even if a doctor knows something is going to save the patient's life.. he is still obligated to get informed consent. Sona asked Dev to trust her.. but she actually has to give him the opportunity to trust her by keeping him in the loop.

wait! wasn't dev handling it himself till that outside bose house conversation between devakshi where ishwari witnesses them? sonakshi wasn't interfering in whatever he was doing till then.she had just told him she will support him in whatever he does but not once she said she would like to be involved.Till that scene where dev falls while he was eavesdropping asha-sona conversation , dev had not even told sona that he was planning to meet khatri. Did she say that she would also like to go with him? NO..

It was dev who decided to take sona along.but then had to go alone ofc because sonakshi was upset with dev's confession. he was not even able to tell her that he was planning to take her along to meet khatri.

Then..during the( outside the bose house) conversation.. he informs her what happened and asks her to talk to khatri and also tells to stop him from doing such things(though he was just teasing her). Then sonakshi asks prakash to issue a search warrant for searching khatri's house.. later finds out that they found nothing.(dev was again ready to extract truth by beating khatri) only after all this, sonakshi goes to meet khatri and asks dev to let her deal this herself(she meant the meeting with khatri only) dev did not even ask her what she was planning to talk to khatri.Asking jatin to follow khatri was a backup plan but her first plan was to manipulate him into giving the address so she told dev exactly what happened which was that she got the address.later khatri informs her that the address was wrong which she already had an inkling about but she was wishing that may be...may be her manipulation worked.Now by following khatri , she is taking a sought of a risk, they might find out something... or they might not.

And i think sonakshi wanted to tell dev about following khatri but then he panicked and then got angry so she was not able to tell him . i think from the precap, it looks like sonakshi had a doubt that khatri has a different house other then the one which was searched. so she wanted to be sure before she informs dev. and also wanted dev to calm down first.

But i do agree that sonakshi should have informed dev about releasing khatri and planning to make jotin follow him. i mean she is taking a huge risk. this should have been.. their plan together.

Edited by y.c.yetikaroxx - 8 years ago

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malikakas

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Posted: 8 years ago

#249

Originally posted by: y.c.yetikaroxx

wait! wasn't dev handling it himself till that outside bose house conversation between devakshi where ishwari witnesses them? sonakshi wasn't interfering in whatever he was doing till then.she had just told him she will support him in whatever he does but not once she said she would like to be involved.Till that scene where dev falls while he was eavesdropping asha-sona conversation , dev had not even told sona that he was planning to meet khatri. Did she say that she would also like to go with him? NO..
It was dev who decided to take sona along.but then had to go alone ofc because sonakshi was upset with dev's confession. he was not even able to tell her that he was planning to take her along to meet khatri.
Then..during the( outside the bose house) conversation.. he informs her what happened and asks her to talk to khatri and also tells to stop him from doing such things(though he was just teasing her). Then sonakshi asks prakash to issue a search warrant for searching khatri's house.. later finds out that they found nothing.(dev was again ready to extract truth by beating khatri) only after all this, sonakshi goes to meet khatri and asks dev to let her deal this herself(she meant the meeting with khatri only) dev did not even ask her what she was planning to talk to khatri.Asking jatin to follow khatri was a backup plan but her first plan was to manipulate him into giving the address so she told dev exactly what happened which was that she got the address.later khatri informs her that the address was wrong which she already had an inkling about but she was wishing that may be...may be her manipulation worked.Now by following khatri , she is taking a sought of a risk, they might find out something... or they might not.
And i think sonakshi wanted to tell dev about following khatri but then he panicked and then got angry so she was not able to tell him . i think from the precap, it looks like sonakshi had a doubt that khatri has a different house other then the one which was searched. so she wanted to be sure before she informs dev. and also wanted dev to calm down first.

But i do agree that sonakshi should have informed dev about releasing khatri and planning to make jotin follow him. i mean she is taking a huge risk. this should have been.. their plan together.

@bold.. yeah but that's what I mean.. her plan was to meet Khatri only and try to extract information. How does she go from that.. to getting Khatri released and planning for Jatin to tail him? This was a thought out plan beforehand.

Look I get its a TV show and some information is released to the viewer slowly in order to increase suspense. And I feel part of this was dramatization in order to keep suspense to the viewer.

But Sona specifically told Dev that Khatri gave her the address. If she really was suspicious that Khatri was faking it.. then I don't see why she would be getting Dev's hopes up. They had a very long conversation about how grateful Dev was to Sona-- at any point Sona could've stopped and told Dev not to get ahead of himself as she doesn't trust Khatri. I mean its fine for the character to deke out the audience... but the problem is doing it to another character.

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Shaavi

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Posted: 8 years ago

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@Mallika, I totally agree with all your posts. That is exactly my gripe with Sonakshi. I feel that she thinks herself as the princess of fairy tales who transforms into Prince Charming when needed. She plays both the roles without realizing that in the process she is leaving a mess. But then she has always been told that she is never wrong and whatever she does is always correct. This being perfect and never being wrong is something that needs to break for Sonakshi to realize her flaws and faults.

One thing I am liking about the current episodes are that the tracks being played are not linear. Multiple tracks are being interposed based on the different characters. But one definite thing I do feel is at the core it is the infertility track that is being replayed. If at that time the words "tum dono alag hojavo" was misunderstood by Sonakshi, this time the phrase "sab kuch pehle jaise hojayega" is playing that role. But I guess what they are showing is necessary for the story line to continue and for the main protagonists to realize their core fault.

Dev listed 4 items as his mistakes in marriage but did not include the major fault of all -- impulsiveness and anger.

Sonakshi said she did not trust Dev and his love but did not say that she wasn't perfect either or admit that she is not always right. That they should work as a team and be honest and truthful to each other.

Ishwari was passively responsible for the breakup of Dev and Sonakshi in both the previous times. Hence she blames Sonakshi for what happened and says "maine kya kiya" there by not acknowledging her role in the breakup.

With what is happening, Dev will learn that he can get better results by exercising impulse control. Sonakshi will learn to work as a team and be honest. It is like in Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam were in the end FL says that although Salman had taught her how to love, it is her husband who taught her how to fulfill love. Till now Dev fulfilled Sonakshi's version of her love story. Now Sonakshi will learn Dev's version and give him back his love story.

Ishwari this time will actively play a role and remove Sonakshi from Dev's life. But when the truth of Khatri is revealed to her will no longer say that she is not responsible for Dev and Sonakshi's separation. My guess is this time when Sonakshi returns to IN it will be through Ishwari and not Dev. Also she will be DIL before she is a wife to Dev. And Ishwari will bind her respect with Sonakshi's and ask GKB not to say anything against Sonakshi as that would mean an insult to her.

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