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havima

@havima

Voyager

Posted: 8 years ago

#191

Spot on analysis on ishwari shaavi.👏. Helps me to try to sympathise with her. I wont deny tht i immediately felt a bit suffocated watching her presence in the episode. Last few weeks were a bliss to watch without her. Anyhow she is needed for the story to move on.

Keep writing such things nd give clarity to ppl like me. I can never empathise with her as me nd my mom hve suffered at the hands of one such lady.

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aarcha

@aarcha

Sparkler

Posted: 8 years ago

#192

@ shaavi ...wonderful analysis on Ishwari ji & i appreciate u'r efforts.👍🏼 I don mind having sympathy / empathy towards ishwari ,had she been feeling a lil apologetic towards wat all she had done now . Her mantra is , " Meine kya kiya ?" .The first thing a genuine person shud do is accepting his/her mistakes ( I usually tell that to my sons ..If u've done a mistake, please accept it ) It is always easy to accuse someone but accepting one's mistake is very difficult.

Ishwari's main problem is her insecurities regarding Dev & unfortunately only Dev , no other children . Actually every human being is in one way or the other is insecured but wen that exceeds the tolerance level/ limit, it becomes toxic n khatarnak. In one of the earlier episodes, in neha's engagement with sameer , ishwari sent dev to invite someone in the neighbourhood knowing that they r away , just to avoid his friendly conversations with sameer's sister. Ishwari can't tolerate such a small thing. During natasha track too, she was nt happy . But she accepted the rishta bcoz Natasha cudn make any changes / influences in dev. He was still his mother's rajaa beta .

But wen sonakshi came into dev's life , ishwari cud sense the changes... Dev sitting in the pooja was indeed a shocker for ishwari bcoz until then though dev was/is her raja beta but denied sitting in pooja every time , ignoring compulsions from every side but sona won there by making dev sitting in pooja . Sona did that with a pure heart , citing the happiness of ishwari to which dev agreed. But ishwari got offended & didn even had the prasad of that pooja but left to her room. She's said to b such a devotee but wat i felt was she didn even respect that pooja prasad . That's shows the complexity of ishwari's character .

There' re numerous incidents which clearly showed ishwari that how much sonakshi is affecting dev , all in a positive way but that didn worked positively for ishwari & she became more n more insecured. Wen sona asked dev to cut short his sweet intakes after neha's marriage , dev agreed n even denied eating mataji's famous BKH , i mean besan ka halwa which came as another shocker for ishwari wen dev blurted out to bhola bhaiya that miss bose had said that it's nt good for health as it contains ghee, cashews etc.etc.

Sonakshi 's opinions matched with ishwari b that bout gifting flat for ranveer or new lehnga for neha. That's y dev always believed sona.." As usual u r right , Ms bose ".

After devakshi brk up, ishwari sent ritwick's rishta to sona was nt bcoz of any guilty feeling but to eradicate sonakshi from dev's life completely . ishwari thought that if sona gets married to someone else, she'll go far from dev. But mataji really never cared for her only son's happiness. Though she used to say , " i'll do anything for my son's happiness. His happiness is mine " etc, unfortunately it never hapnd.

Dev's deewangi on sona -ritwick engagement day broke that rishta & the complete breakdown of dev & the care sona showered on dev leaving her sagai made ishwari realise the depth of devakshi luv. But there too ishwari blamed her brother for nt correcting her .

She did went to sonakshi to make her agree for marriage only after seeing a heart broken dev. Ishwari was afraid that she'll loose her son forever . So for a temporary fixation, she convinced sonakshi for marriage. She neither ate any food nor she made any arrangemnets of food @ dixit mansion after devakshi marriage even though she knew bout the food arrangements @ wedding venue , which resulted in her food making/ fainting drama thus spoiling the happy moments of devakshi.

She made the prenuptial agreement even b4 marriage citing the happiness n future of her/ dev's family. I'm nt going deep into this.

She never considered sonakshi as her bahu , but dev's wife. In short , an outsider. Her worst form was seen during infertility track wer the agony of a grandma over powered that of a young lady with inhospitable uterus . I don want to think much of this track either .

During b'day celebration of dev , she didn even care to wait for her DIL for the cake cutting . But i felt, there she was genuinely worried that she spoiled devakshi dinner date . But sonakshi didn make that an issue . The next day matajee made an emotional speech for dev which was indirectly / directly pointed towrds sona but that too she took in good spirit . The mom-son duo hug was turned to a group hug only bcoz of sonakshi which allowed even dev's sistrs to join the gang , thus feeling the warmth , luv n care of a complete family . In short sonakshi is selfless but ishwari ji is selfish . Ishwari always worried of sonakshi's goodness & she felt that sona will took dev away from his family n his responsibilities .

But matajee's another form of insecurity came in to lime light wen dev called asha , "maa " & showed his concern n care towards her. So it's nt bout sona ,but any other random people, if they show care n concern to dev n vice versa , a tsunami is expected . Evn if sona's dadi do the same, i think, she too will come in the hit list of ish maa. 😆

Even after the 7 yrs long separation, still ishwari is hyper with her insecurities regarding proximity of sona n dev . She stooped to that level to lie dev that sona is getting married to jatin even though she very well knew that the mere thought will kill her son multiple times. Wat shud v call this ? Maa ki mamta or anashwar putra prem or simply a highly selfish lady .

I've no problem with ishwari once she accept her mistakes n ask apology from sonakshi bcoz sona is the one who suffered most along with dev . Ishwari told dev that she wud like to be his saathi instead of saaya but i wud suggest dev to b her " sahara " bcoz that's wat she needed.

I'm a daughter, a sister, a wife, a daughter in law , a sister in law & last but nt least a mother but in any phase of my life , i wud never wish to meet a person like ishwari or those who r having any resemblances to her in character & i really feel pity for those people who in real life hav to face such a torment in their life. .V only live our life once but if v can live that happily n peacefully, that ONCE is enuf !

P.S. Keeping aside her insecurities , she is/was a sweet lady . But this khatri track came as a shocker to me as ishwari was accused of theft too. 😲 Now the only thing i like in ishwari is supriya jii . That's the only reason still i'm tolerating her 😃 Btw, after Vaishno Devi darshan , ishwari maa is more into spiritual , it seems . Lets wait n watch .

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zam123

@zam123

Voyager

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Posted: 8 years ago

#193

Excellent insight to Ishwar's character. Interesting to see how her realisation and how all the main players i.e Dev, mamii, Sonakshi, Soha, Red will affect her and others going forward.

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AbAnamika

@AbAnamika

Beginner

Posted: 8 years ago

#194

Originally posted by: aarcha
@ shaavi ...wonderful analysis on Ishwari ji & i appreciate u'r efforts.👍🏼 I don mind having sympathy / empathy towards ishwari ,had she been feeling a lil apologetic towards wat all she had done now . Her mantra is , " Meine kya kiya ?" .The first thing a genuine person shud do is accepting his/her mistakes ( I usually tell that to my sons ..If u've done a mistake, please accept it ) It is always easy to accuse someone but accepting one's mistake is very difficult.
Ishwari's main problem is her insecurities regarding Dev & unfortunately only Dev , no other children . Actually every human being is in one way or the other is insecured but wen that exceeds the tolerance level/ limit, it becomes toxic n khatarnak. In one of the earlier episodes, in neha's engagement with sameer , ishwari sent dev to invite someone in the neighbourhood knowing that they r away , just to avoid his friendly conversations with sameer's sister. Ishwari can't tolerate such a small thing. During natasha track too, she was nt happy . But she accepted the rishta bcoz Natasha cudn make any changes / influences in dev. He was still his mother's rajaa beta .

But wen sonakshi came into dev's life , ishwari cud sense the changes... Dev sitting in the pooja was indeed a shocker for ishwari bcoz until then though dev was/is her raja beta but denied sitting in pooja every time , ignoring compulsions from every side but sona won there by making dev sitting in pooja . Sona did that with a pure heart , citing the happiness of ishwari to which dev agreed. But ishwari got offended & didn even had the prasad of that pooja but left to her room. She's said to b such a devotee but wat i felt was she didn even respect that pooja prasad . That's shows the complexity of ishwari's character .

There' re numerous incidents which clearly showed ishwari that how much sonakshi is affecting dev , all in a positive way but that didn worked positively for ishwari & she became more n more insecured. Wen sona asked dev to cut short his sweet intakes after neha's marriage , dev agreed n even denied eating mataji's famous BKH , i mean besan ka halwa which came as another shocker for ishwari wen dev blurted out to bhola bhaiya that miss bose had said that it's nt good for health as it contains ghee, cashews etc.etc.

Sonakshi 's opinions matched with ishwari b that bout gifting flat for ranveer or new lehnga for neha. That's y dev always believed sona.." As usual u r right , Ms bose ".

After devakshi brk up, ishwari sent ritwick's rishta to sona was nt bcoz of any guilty feeling but to eradicate sonakshi from dev's life completely . ishwari thought that if sona gets married to someone else, she'll go far from dev. But mataji really never cared for her only son's happiness. Though she used to say , " i'll do anything for my son's happiness. His happiness is mine " etc, unfortunately it never hapnd.

Dev's deewangi on sona -ritwick engagement day broke that rishta & the complete breakdown of dev & the care sona showered on dev leaving her sagai made ishwari realise the depth of devakshi luv. But there too ishwari blamed her brother for nt correcting her .

She did went to sonakshi to make her agree for marriage only after seeing a heart broken dev. Ishwari was afraid that she'll loose her son forever . So for a temporary fixation, she convinced sonakshi for marriage. She neither ate any food nor she made any arrangemnets of food @ dixit mansion after devakshi marriage even though she knew bout the food arrangements @ wedding venue , which resulted in her food making/ fainting drama thus spoiling the happy moments of devakshi.

She made the prenuptial agreement even b4 marriage citing the happiness n future of her/ dev's family. I'm nt going deep into this.

She never considered sonakshi as her bahu , but dev's wife. In short , an outsider. Her worst form was seen during infertility track wer the agony of a grandma over powered that of a young lady with inhospitable uterus . I don want to think much of this track either .

During b'day celebration of dev , she didn even care to wait for her DIL for the cake cutting . But i felt, there she was genuinely worried that she spoiled devakshi dinner date . But sonakshi didn make that an issue . The next day matajee made an emotional speech for dev which was indirectly / directly pointed towrds sona but that too she took in good spirit . The mom-son duo hug was turned to a group hug only bcoz of sonakshi which allowed even dev's sistrs to join the gang , thus feeling the warmth , luv n care of a complete family . In short sonakshi is selfless but ishwari ji is selfish . Ishwari always worried of sonakshi's goodness & she felt that sona will took dev away from his family n his responsibilities .

But matajee's another form of insecurity came in to lime light wen dev called asha , "maa " & showed his concern n care towards her. So it's nt bout sona ,but any other random people, if they show care n concern to dev n vice versa , a tsunami is expected . Evn if sona's dadi do the same, i think, she too will come in the hit list of ish maa. 😆

Even after the 7 yrs long separation, still ishwari is hyper with her insecurities regarding proximity of sona n dev . She stooped to that level to lie dev that sona is getting married to jatin even though she very well knew that the mere thought will kill her son multiple times. Wat shud v call this ? Maa ki mamta or anashwar putra prem or simply a highly selfish lady .

I've no problem with ishwari once she accept her mistakes n ask apology from sonakshi bcoz sona is the one who suffered most along with dev . Ishwari told dev that she wud like to be his saathi instead of saaya but i wud suggest dev to b her " sahara " bcoz that's wat she needed.

I'm a daughter, a sister, a wife, a daughter in law , a sister in law & last but nt least a mother but in any phase of my life , i wud never wish to meet a person like ishwari or those who r having any resemblances to her in character & i really feel pity for those people who in real life hav to face such a torment in their life. .V only live our life once but if v can live that happily n peacefully, that ONCE is enuf !

P.S. Keeping aside her insecurities , she is/was a sweet lady . But this khatri track came as a shocker to me as ishwari was accused of theft too. 😲 Now the only thing i like in ishwari is supriya jii . That's the only reason still i'm tolerating her 😃 Btw, after Vaishno Devi darshan , ishwari maa is more into spiritual , it seems . Lets wait n watch .

Aarcha, you are spot on. I am totally with you. This is exactly the character of Ishwari. Ishwari is painfully aware of her insecurities-but will never admit them (or at least she was in S1, based on her conversation with Mamaji about Sonakshi's goodness). Ishwari would barely have tolerated a daughter in law- any woman who Dev didn't actually love or feel so deeply influenced by.

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Harryfan011

@Harryfan011

Explorer

Posted: 8 years ago

#195

This is to inform all of you that I will be unavailable for the rest of the week due to an emergency at my work...

Hence, this is the reason that I haven't posted anything yesterday...

So, I will not post any kind of analysis on this thread until this situation is resolved.. Most likely will continue from Monday and, if time permits, who knows.. I might do it earlier...

I thank all of you who read my posts and appreciated it.. Sorry, couldn't do it earlier...

-Suyash

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AbAnamika

@AbAnamika

Beginner

Posted: 8 years ago

#196

Btw, all brilliant writers here: I have a doubt.

Did Sona, tell Dev about Mami mixing the tablets in his juice after he came to his senses?

There are still all the other issues remaining: IT raid, attack by goons, eviction, prenup. Vickey has been caught on some of his acts, but still not all of them. I still can't believe that Dev trusts them after all they have shown themselves capable of.

This might be minor, but if Sona doesn't tell Dev, she is making exactly the same mistakes she made in S1 by not being transparent about the transgressions of the Tripathis. And by threatening Mami, she just made them more dangerous,

Transparency goes hand in hand with trust for any 'winning' team.

Edited by AbAnamika - 8 years ago

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timbarucha83

@timbarucha83

Navigator

Posted: 8 years ago

#197

My this post is the out come of the discussion which is going on Ishu mata. which get started with the excellent post by @Shaavi and then followed By @Itelidvara , @aarcha.

First of I start to pen down my thoughts I like to say from the above posts for some points in the Saavi's post I agree but for some points I completely disagree. But before I put any point related to the discussion@ Shaavi,@Samanalysa,and @deepsel you are the one of the writers who I used to follow when I was the silent reader and my post writing mostly start from relaying to the posts which was put by @deepsel and after with the push of some of my friends I started to write and pen down my thoughts in the forum and then our thread come in to the picture and I get the safe place to put my thoughts and read may excellent writer's. so you can say all of you inspire me to write after many years. and now its a part of my routine. So thanks a lot.

Now I will like to put my thoughts related to Ishu mata. From the @Saavi's pots I agree with the following points at some extends that is

Ishwari belongs to old school. The way she looks at things is children taking permission, counseling and advice from their parents before making big decisions. What she was believing was Dev would first come and tell her if he liked/likes a girl. Choosing a life partner is a big decision. One that not only affects him, but also the entire family. She being the head of the house wanted her choice, her yes/not to matter for her kids, especially Dev as he was her "perfect" child. This was one of the reasons why she was ok with Natasha. The proposal came to her first. She was given the choice. The "respect" as the head of the family. When he broke up with Natasha it was Dev's responsibility to tell the truth. What he admitted to Natasha is what he should have told Ishwari. Even in Neha Ranveer case, she came to know Neha's decision to marry Ranveer the same time Ranveer came to know her decision. It was not "hidden" from her. She was "included" in their lives.

Dev didn't do this. He went and confessed his feelings to Sonakshi first. And she accepted. Here is where she feels Sonakshi is wrong. From her perspective Sonakshi should have rejected Dev and maintain her dignity. This was shown in the FB where Ishwari is insulted and accused of trying to seduce the man of the house by wearing torn saree. At that time Ishwari brought a new saree for herself at the time when they didn't have enough to eat. In her thoughts she chose her respect over what she could have gotten if she had accepted. I am by no means pointing finger at Sonakshi saying it was wrong of her to love Dev or any such thing.

Ishwari's expectation from Dev was that he would come to her like how Neha came to her and say that he likes Sonakshi, ask her opinion and then leave the details to adults to work it out. But Dev did nothing of the sort. He went directly to Sonakshi bypassing Ishwari and proposed to her, and she accepted. After that for quite some time they hid their relationship from Ishwari.

Ishwari started to get the feeling that there is more than just boss employee relationship between Dev and Sonakshi during Neha's wedding. She was especially hurt by Sonakshi saying that she convinced Neha regarding the lehenga because Dev asked her. Till then she was the go to person for Dev. He would come to her for advice and do as she guided him. Here he told about a family crisis to an "outsider". From her perspective Dev gave importance to an "outsider's" counsel and did not accept her words. Didn't he argue in front of Ishwari as to why Neha should wear the lehenga given by Ranveer's family if she doesn't like it.

And now come the points which I disagree that is

The way she looked at her sending Ritwick's alliance was her making amends to Dev breaking Sonakshi's heart. When Dev broke her phone, he gifted her a new one. He first asked his mom to give it to her. At that time Sonakshi did not accept it. This is exactly what she tried to do with Ritwick. She put that whole Dev loving her or proposing her and then breaking up with her as a mistake of his and as his mother her duty to make amends. To fix Sonakshi's life and give her happiness that Dev took away from her. If Sonakshi did not accept the phone from Ishwari's hands, she did accept the proposal. It is very similar to helping the girls of that area get married for breaking up that one marriage long ago.

Ishwari doesn't know what Dev did during that break up. What she does know is that Sonakshi personally sent the invitation and asked Dev to come there. When Dev asks permission from Ishwari, both times she advises him against it. Dev then says that Sonakshi has personally invited him and wants him to go. She also doesn't know that maamaji had talked to Dev. The way she looked at it was once again Sonakshi forcing her decision on Dev. That Sonakshi wanted him to come and forced Dev to attend her engagement ceremony by sending the invitation. She blamed Sonakshi for Dev's inebriated condition. The one who did that was not "her son".

Her giving approval for Dev and Sonakshi's marriage is once again about making amends to Dev's mistakes. When she goes to maamaji's room in the morning even before she talks about Dev, maami tells that Sonakshi's engagement is broken. Once maami was out of sight, her first question to maamaji is, is she responsible for that too. That the society is not kind for girls whose engagement gets broken and here Sonakshi's engagement broke because of "her son". Lot of her acceptance of this marriage came from her want to assuage her guilt. Cause it was "her son" who is the responsible for Sonakshi getting hurt. She thinks Dev is not happy because of his guilt of hurting Sonakshi and not that he loves her deeply. She saw it as Sonakshi playing with Dev's guilt, the one she knows and has used in the past. She felt Sonakshi was doing the same. That is how she accepted Bengali wedding and non veg food. Saw it more as atoning for Dev's mistakes. Like mom paying the store keeper money cause her kid broke the glass or spilled the stuff.

Although she had given her "yes", she also wanted to teach Dev that he was wrong, that his decision, his choice was wrong. As a mother don't we want our kids to learn from mistakes, don't we say we should let them make their own mistakes. This is exactly how she saw the marriage. She wanted both Dev and Sonakshi to learn their mistakes. She wanted them to say they were wrong and that she was right. She especially expected Dev to say that. Even with the separation that has happened now, Ishwari doesn't take any responsibility. From her perspective she had given both Dev and Sonakshi the choice to live or break up. She did not do anything other than show them how wrong they were for each other. Aren't mothers supposed to guide the children and show them the right way.

Now I will put my opinion about the Ishu mata. But before I consider as a mother First of all she is the lady or a human. And every human has its own personality that is it is going to have it's own nature.So I feel by nature Ishu is selfish for the things she want in the life especially with the her dreams. and this is the part of her character. other then her dreams and things which she want she is a sweet lady which has the good thoughts.

Now coming the points which I say agree with the points which has been mention in the @Saavi's post is from my point of view is the one layer of Ishu's mind. It is like the pyramids who's one layer is only visible from the one side. The point you maintain that in the case of natasha she get the respect of the head of the family and as this proposal come to her first before dev so she was having an importance and as she is from the old school she get the choice to select the bride for his son. But at the same time it is also true that she was never ready to dev's marriage as she was having a fear to lose dev or to loose the importance in the dev's life and this was very much visible that why she never allowed her Daughters to get close to dev. For natasha some where she was agreed as she know that dev was not in love with her and by this alliance a new door is going to open by the Dev's success. But when dev break the alliance with natasha she was compltely ok when dev give her the assurance that he will take care of the things at the business front. Yes from the surface point of view to Ishu's brother that is mamaji also have the feel that she is angry as dev has not told her about the his and sona's relation but the another side of this which is also true that she was never ready for the fact that at some day dev will fall in love with some one and make the decision about his life.It is true that she get more afraid after seeing the sona's impact on the dev's mind. and that increased the insecurity and her fear. And next few incidents has increased the impact and thanks to the mami.

Now I will come the points with which I disagree that is her act to sent the alliance for sona it was not to remove the guilt but it was to remove sona from the dev's life completely. Even I disagree with the part that after the break up she was unaware of the feelings of dev. At one point it is true but you can wake up the person who is in sleep but you can't wake up the person who pretends to sleep.The another layer about the Ishu's personality that she never think that she can be at the fault especially in the case of dev as she feels she is the perfect mother for dev as dev consider's her god and god cannot be wrong to in the first break up phase she completely get blinded with her conurbation and dev's pain. She prefer to be in the bubble where she feels that she knows his son and his well being. Even in the case of their marriage she actually not having any other option to say yes as dev has confronted her and sona's marriage get broken. So she consider it as an opportunity to become to get the imp position in dev's life and go ever thing by which marriage get place but after that make sure to give the clear single to sona that she has not accepted her whole hearty and she has done lot many things which I will not put but she make sure dev and sona never has a normal married life. Every time she make sure dev is force to choose her with the use of her manipulation techniques.And to be very honest I will never able to forgive the way she treated sona in case of the Infertility ishhu and how she blackmail dev to go for the treatment.At that point she was at the ext ream level of the selfishness where for one second she was not ready to see the pain of the another woman who get to know that she cannot become mother.My same complain is for bijoy in the case of the dev . Some where her main problem is she never understood dev she only see the things which she want to see. She want to see herself as a perfect mother so see that she has given the extra love and care to dev but she completely ignore the other fats that because her what dev has lost. To get rid of the guilt of that she is the reason for dev's pain up to this moment she feels that sona is not good for dev so she can save her from the guilt. She is afraid of see himself in the mirror which will show her as not good mother or I will say perfect mother.even Now also she is the mother but she is not respecting the another mother. She is not ready to respect soana as soha's mother she is not reacting as she is aware the her and dev's relation has been changed and if she become the reason for his and soha's separation dev will not forgive her. So she is quite. But I agree with last part of the @shaavi's post

Coming back from Vaishno Devi, she wants to trust with what Dev had told her before she left. That Sonakshi means nothing to him except as Suhana's mother and that she has no place of importance in his life. She truly is trying very hard( with her limits) to believe Dev's words. The way she is looking at it now is once again it is not Dev who is trying to bring Sonakshi into his life, but it is Sonakshi herself who is trying to come back to his life. With her seeing Sonakshi check his face, her pushing Dev to come forward to his mother, she deciding to stay for one more week, Ishwari feels that Sonakshi has once again entrapped Dev. For her Sonakshi has been sent by God to punish Dev for what she did with that family. Hence when she prayed to god she asked herself to be punished for her mistakes and spare Dev.

Right now there are 2 main tracks running simultaneously from Ishwari's pov. One is the time when Ishwari overhears Dev and Sonakshi following the puja and starts acting up and the other one is the episodes preceding the one in which Ishwari throws the food given to her by Sonakshi as per her diet chart. Ishwari this time will ask Sonakshi to leave, not indirectly but directly as she did at that time. If at that time Dev should her reports and Dr. Sinhas assessment of her health.

So here also she trying to see what she want to get rid of her guilt that she is could be at certain percent the reason for the dev lose of the years in the soha's life.Still I have a strong feel that Ishu's relation will start when mami and viccki is going to cheat her and she is forced to accept her mistake regarding the tripathi family and then she is ones agin forced to accept the sona as dev's wife and the slowly her realization may start.

CV's has given the indication that may be dev will get separate out with sona and soha and it may happen after the Khatri track. because some how dev is not in the position that he will be openly talk to Ishu related to her past and I think ones agin mami and vickki will get to know about the khatri and they will use the info that soan has given the bail to him to get info about the family with the consent of dev and turn the Ishu against sona. So she may ask her to leave and the dev will come in the picture and tell the truth but some how if all this thing happens in front of soha that she can say that she don;t want to leave in dixit house and dev may take the decision to go out of ishu niwas. Lets see what happened.

Some how in near future sona is exactly act like she is suppose to be in her married life that is don;t care about what Ishu and other's are thinking and focus on dev and soha and dev is exactly act as he is supposed to at his married period by protecting sona from mami and viccki and from Ishu also.

Edited by timbarucha83 - 8 years ago

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thedramaqueen

@thedramaqueen

Voyager

Posted: 8 years ago

#198

Originally posted by: AbAnamika
Btw, all brilliant writers here: I have a doubt.
Did Sona, tell Dev about Mami mixing the tablets in his juice after he came to his senses?

There are still all the other issues remaining: IT raid, attack by goons, eviction, prenup. Vickey has been caught on some of his acts, but still not all of them. I still can't believe that Dev trusts them after all they have shown themselves capable of.

This might be minor, but if Sona doesn't tell Dev, she is making exactly the same mistakes she made in S1 by not being transparent about the transgressions of the Tripathis. And by threatening Mami, she just made them more dangerous,

Transparency goes hand in hand with trust for any 'winning' team.

She tried just before the blurt-fession... I guess since then, she has herself not been in her senses and then khatri took over

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Shaavi

@Shaavi

Voyager

Posted: 8 years ago

#199

Aarcha, I understand what you are saying and agree with you. I am just trying to understand how Ishwari's come to being. Why they feel so insecured, where that fear is stemming from. This is an example that helped me.

Imagine you have a garden with some flowering plants, but only one fruit bearing plant. It is a mango plant and you know can give the most juiciest and sweetest mangoes. So you tend to it with special care. give it the special fertilizer, keep it weed free make sure it is watered and that it is protected from anything harmful like the insects or pests. The plant grows to a tree and starts bearing fruits. You start enjoying them. You go even to the extent of sharing the fruits as long as no one asks you to share the tree or comment on it. Then here comes another gardener and the taste of the fruit starts changing. Where the fruit was once red and round, it is now yellow and long. You find that this new gardener has changed the composition of soil, reduced the amount of water you used to put and has started to treat that tree as a tree as opposed to a plant in need of gentle care. How would one feel in this case.

This is exactly Ishwari's plight. She has looked at Dev as her investment, her everything. He was the person who would make her dream a reality. He cared for her dreams and told her that they mattered. When Sonakshi saw the weight of those dreams and desires she felt bad. She wanted to lend a hand to Dev which is all nice and good and what she did was right. But in that process, it brought out the loopholes in Ishwari's upbringing. Where ishwari still thought of him as a delicate plant in need of protection, Sonakshi said that he is a tree and don't need so much care. For Ishwari this is not her son. What she wanted was a person who would share the fruit, but not claim the tree. Here Sonakshi was claiming the tree.

With Sonakshi, Dev changed in a way where the real Dev came out. Someone whom Ishwari did not recognize. When the HM was cancelled or when she came to know that Dev and Sonakshi had other plans for birthday and it got ruined because of her, Ishwari apologizes to Sonakshi and not Dev. This is very significant because the way Ishwari saw the HM was that Dev did not really want to go. He was doing it because Sonakshi wanted it. Sitting at the dining table Dev says how Sonakshi had planned the whole thing and how she had always wanted to go to Paris. He doesn't say "we" want to go there or that it was "their" choice. Similarly on the birthday fiasco it was once again Dev saying Sonakshi had planned this. The way ishwari saw was that Sonakshi has brainwashed Dev and he is doing as she is telling him to do even though he doesn't want to do it himself. She was his mom. Didn't she know him, her son. Her son wouldn't want to go on vacation leaving his work. He wouldn't want to stay out at midnight without telling his mother. Admitting that he wants all this is admitting that she doesn't know her son. That he is grown up. This is something a mother whose world revolves around her son, who has nothing else left to think apart from him find it hard to do(I am speaking in general. not intended to hurt anyone). She doesn't like it that someone is telling her to give up or that there are deficiencies in the tending of the tree that she did it for so long. That the tree doesn't need that amount of water as she used to give it when it was a plant.

This is one of the reasons why she keeps pulling him back to the past, where she mattered to the plant. The plant needed her. She knew what the plant wanted and could give it. Even in yesterday's episode Ishwari's expectation was that it was Dev who told Sonakshi that they will stay back at In since she just came back and he wants his daughter to spend time with her. But Dev did nothing of that sort. He was ready to leave her whom he had not seen for days. It is Sonakshi who is saying we will stay back and Dev just agreed to it. This once again reaffirms her belief that she needs to protect him from Sonakshi.

A couple of other highlights for me in yesterday's episode were --

1) RR referring to herself as"GKB" and not "Ex-GKB". Earlier in season 2 even with Ishwari, RR always referred to herself as Ex GKB. but in yesterday's episode she referred to herself as just GKB twice. I don't know if it is just a mistake in the script or if it was intentional to show where she is headed.

2) Bijoy not at Bose house when Sonakshi said that she has decided to stay back at IN. From his perspective Sonakshi would do no such thing, so it is all Dev's fault. He is the one who forced her is what he is going to think when he comes back to Bose house or when he comes to know.

3) Ever since Dev's confession, whenever they get into an awkward situation with remembering their old times or talking about "we", it is Dev who is snapping out if it sooner than Sonakshi. Earlier it was Sonakshi who would come to present quicker.

4) Just like Dev in season 1 who used to constantly touch Sonakshi to ensure that she is there with him, it is Sonakshi who is doing so now. She keeps inculpating to assure herself that he is there with her. When she does that automatically Dev responds by accepting it. 😃

Edited by Shaavi - 8 years ago

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Originally posted by: AbAnamika
Btw, all brilliant writers here: I have a doubt.
Did Sona, tell Dev about Mami mixing the tablets in his juice after he came to his senses?

There are still all the other issues remaining: IT raid, attack by goons, eviction, prenup. Vickey has been caught on some of his acts, but still not all of them. I still can't believe that Dev trusts them after all they have shown themselves capable of.

This might be minor, but if Sona doesn't tell Dev, she is making exactly the same mistakes she made in S1 by not being transparent about the transgressions of the Tripathis. And by threatening Mami, she just made them more dangerous,

Transparency goes hand in hand with trust for any 'winning' team.

Agree with you. However busy she is Sona should tell Dev about Mami. They both have to inform Iswari also who blindly believes her brother's wife. Ofcourse Iswari may defend her and blame Sona for spoiling their relationships. Still better to be transparent and frank.I am waiting to see Dev's reaction when he hears about the tablet.