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Posted: 8 years ago

@Geena: Thanks for your amazing post about the episode. Now I can do what DQ was wishing for and just say "ditto!" You so perfectly captured the struggle that is going on within Sona and Dev right now as they find it startlingly easy to accept each other as Soha's parents, and at the same time feel frustrated as lovers that the very behaviour that is making that acceptance possible wasn't visible when they were fighting for their own relationship. This is just the beginning of a metamorphosis that will take place Dev and Sona spend time with each other, and not with the monstrous versions of each other in their respective heads.


@Chitra: That is an amazing observation! The Tripathis and the Dixits (I am just going to call them the Trixits from now on) may not have an immediately recognisable family dynamic, but under all the betrayal and manipulation, there is a strong thread of unwavering solidarity. They have built their family based on their experiences, and though I agree they are not the healthiest relationships, it is something you can't unviersalise and make snap judgments about. These dynamics were summarised perfectly when Soha told on Golu for having a phone in school. Golu was mad because he thought they were on the same team and so Soha would have his back, but for Soha having his back meant pointing out when he was wrong.


@Payal: Your post does a great job of highlighting why feminism often gets a bad name. The term gets misused when we try to employ it purely on a personal level, where the movement itself is about fighting systems and institutions that disadvantage certain groups of people. But the term getting a bad rap isn't only the fault of women misusing it; there are so many men just waiting to dismiss the real concerns of the movement by saying it is just a bunch of angry, prideful women. That's why it is so important to know what it actually means.


With your example in mind, what we should be doing is not pitting individuals against each other in the name of feminism, but understanding how the system works against certain groups. In both the scenarios you provided, the girl has to go live with the boy's family -- this in itself is a tool to put women on the back foot from day one of marriage. No matter how accepting and loving the boy's family is, you can't deny that she has to leave her comfort zone while he stays in his. For me it was much more regressive that nuclear family doesn't seem to be an option, even for the most progressive characters on the show. I am not saying that living with one's family is outdated and shouldn't be done at all, but to rule out the nuclear family as "selfish" and "wrong" is also problematic.


Other than that, I don't see the issues in Dev and Sona's marriage as progressiveness/feminism vs. regressiveness/male chauvinism. Both of them were feminists -- and if anything, Dev was even more interested in an equal marriage than Sona (he wanted her to be as empowered in his house as she had been as his girlfriend, but didn't realise how much that empowerment came from external validation of her family, which she craved in IN too). The issues that they had were of an interpersonal nature and arose from their allowance of third party interference and their poor communication. I think that Saurabh and Ronita's relationship will help illustrate this. Long-term relationships are hard even when you have family approval and support, and the existence of love is not enough to sustain a them.


So, much more than a conflict of progressive vs. regressive, I see this story as a conflict between this soulmate-wala, sufiana love and societal concerns and demands, which both Dev and Sona were forced to bring into their transcendent love. Sona was a total misfit for the manipulative world of the Trixits because she could neither gain approval nor reject it completely. Dev could never give Sona that ideal of middle class family happiness that he knows she tried to bring about in the Dixit family. That transcendent love and deep connection is clearly still there all these years later, but both of them are painfully aware that it was incompatible with real life. And that is what is holding them back from acknowledging or expressing it. The only thing that betrays them are those moments when the latent connection is so strong, it overwhelms them.


The first time, egged on by their respective families, they rushed into marriage as the default answer to their love. This time, I hope they take control and think more about exactly what they want to do with these feelings. Love doesn't have to mean marriage, and is not enough to make marriage a good idea. So what do you do when you have this incredible connection with a person, but they don't fit into your world? That is what I feel is the crux of the show.

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: _Payalj_


Sia on the one hand we acknowledge that the guy is emotionally weak and incapable of standing upto his mother and then we expect him to mature overnight because he said so! I am sorry but Sona acting on such words only showed her own immaturity.

Does it ever happen in real life?

You can't expect a guy to change overnight. Promises are just words. It is the actions which speak. I can promise the sun and the moon but what needs to be seen is my capability of delivering them. And that actually shows the maturity of person believing on them and acting on them.

And if Sona after knowing all the parameters had taken the plunge then she should have factored these parameters in her decision making and actions. Somewhere Dev's anger also stems from this that Sona knew his faults before marriage but still left him because of the same.

I am not saying that Sona should have stayed in the toxic house but fully blaming only Dev is wrong.

Actually this topic has already been done to death so I will just quote some very famous words - a woman marries a man expecting him to change and he doesn't. A man marries a woman expecting her not to change and she does.



Payal - I understand what you are saying but no one expected him to change overnight, infact Sona bent backwards several times to accommodate his vulnerabilities. I understand people's feelings on this thread. I even understand where Dev needed help from Sona and where Sona could have done better than how she did.

But sorry I can't understand the how we can equate a 'murderer' to a 'robber', that's how I view the magnitude of Dev and Sona's flaws in this marriage. That is why I choose not to comment on most posts here, because I can calmly disagree and avoid confrontation.

Your post spoke of feminist brigade at length and I had a huge problem with the way it came across. Anyway, I am done too. Have a good day!

P.S. - This was not my attempt to have a last word on this post 😊.


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Posted: 8 years ago
"So what do you do when you have this incredible connection with a person, but they don't fit into your world? That is what I feel is the crux of the show. "
This summed it all Sam👏 Absolutely spot-on!
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: _Payalj_

Promises are just words. It is the actions which speak. I can promise the sun and the moon but what needs to be seen is my capability of delivering them. And that actually shows the maturity of person believing on them and acting on them.


I think you hit the nail on the head for both our leads here, Payal. Both of them, in the early stages of their love, made lofty promises and the other took them at face value, only to be shattered when they were broken. They made and believed these promises out of innocence, and that innocence is what at the same time made their love story in S1 so endearing and set up the primary conflict of the story, because like you said, the other side of innocence is immaturity.

That's why I find the repitition of scenarios so effective in this new stage; they are going through all the same steps, only devoid of that innocent confidence that they could transform this love, with all the obstacles before it, into a successful marriage. It leaves the story very open ended in a way that I am enjoying.
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Posted: 8 years ago
@Sia, i have never ever said that dev was a good husband or the lion's share of fault wasn't his or his family's. It was.
I was only trying to point out that sonakshi first shouldn't have rushed into marriage with him and if she had ( I would still say it was her life's biggest stupidity -only love is never enough) than she should have shown the required patience. In terms of a marriage 4 months is nothing. It takes at times years to change the balance of relationships and one has to play the game by the rules of the playground. You are in a different set up , you can't impose your rules within four months. Work by their rules to defeat them at their game.

Its almost like joining a new company. Don't we change our strategy basis the work environment there or we keep on harping on our old tactics. If we can do this at the work place why not at our husband's place to make it OUR HOME.

My other point was that why can't we accept this major shortcoming of sonakshi?

@ Sam - agree with what you said. A woman is always expected to adjust which itself is wrong. some details should always be cleared before marriage and no deviations should be permitted.

further with women like ishwari the only way out is a nuclear family. It also usually happens in such cases but after some time has lapsed

Maybe this time Dev will learn his lesson and walk out of ishwaris death grip. He now knows that he he can't take sonakshi for granted.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: jigsaw1234


I hope you didn't write this to justify why the words 'independent, intelligent and feminist' are used as derogatory terms towards a woman.

Even if you did then you are generalising what you call the feminist brigade. There are feminists who believe in the spirit of feminism and also in honesty and truth. BTW, feminism is equality of sexes not pro-women; and not something to be achieved by bringing men down but by raising women to the same social standing and opportunities as men.

BTW, I do wonder why you divide the population into only 2 sections. One the so called feminist brigade and the other. Unfortunately, I don't belong to either of your categories!

Perhaps it shows my weakness by even responding to views like this. Take what you may. Off I go!


I know that Payal has already replied to you requesting you to respect the spirit of this thread. I would like to reiterate her request as co-mod and ask you to re-read the rules and respect the atmosphere we try to maintain here. Your post falls both under moral policing and a passive aggressive attack on another member's views.

I understand that it can be frustrating when we feel strongly about our views, and other people don't see what we do, but on this thread, we would like for everyone's views to co-exist peacefully no matter how different they are. Please note, this request is not for you to change your views but to respect another person's right not to agree with them. Thanks.
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Posted: 8 years ago
So true @Sam! The innocent confidence to change it all, to fix everything with their love is gone.
I remember when Dev and Sonakshi had first disagreed about something, about Dev attending the pooja, He was miffed and said, how not everything and everyone was perfect...
Sonakshi had this ideology about love "Lekin humara pyaar perfect hai"
She believed only love was enough to heal all wounds. When day by day, she saw things weren't as idealistic as she thought, that love is not always enough to fix everything, she reached her breaking point. It was not just one day but the cumulative effect of it all that she just barged out never to return back, totally contrary to her ideology of love and marriage.
Now she doesn't believe in this power and filmy love stories, She says it loud and clear to Suhana that Her life is not 'Kuch Kuch Hota hai' but Alas! She doesn't realise it is exactly going that way😉
Also, this reminds me of a dialogue from Badri Ki Dulhania when the lead's friend asks her if she knows the boy loves her and whether she loves him...
To which she says..
"Haan pyaar karte hai hum, toh kya karein? Sirf pyaar ka kya karein? Humare relationship me na respect hai na kuch aur, pyaar ka kya karein batao"
The protagonist had super practical approach to it.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: saumiee

So true @Sam! The innocent confidence to change it all, to fix everything with their love is gone.

I remember when Dev and Sonakshi had first disagreed about something, about Dev attending the pooja, He was miffed and said, how not everything and everyone was perfect...
Sonakshi had this ideology about love "Lekin humara pyaar perfect hai"
She believed only love was enough to heal all wounds. When day by day, she saw things weren't as idealistic as she thought, that love is not always enough to fix everything, she reached her breaking point. It was not just one day but the cumulative effect of it all that she just barged out never to return back, totally contrary to her ideology of love and marriage.
Now she doesn't believe in this power and filmy love stories, She says it loud and clear to Suhana that Her life is not 'Kuch Kuch Hota hai' but Alas! She doesn't realise it is exactly going that way😉
Also, this reminds me of a dialogue from Badri Ki Dulhania when the lead's friend asks her if she knows the boy loves her and whether she loves him...
To which she says..
"Haan pyaar karte hai hum, toh kya karein? Sirf pyaar ka kya karein? Humare relationship me na respect hai na kuch aur, pyaar ka kya karein batao"
The protagonist had super practical approach to it.


Saumiee , that's a wonderful post👏
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Posted: 8 years ago
@Saumie: That is such a good observation! When Sona fell in love with Dev, she had a very strong conviction that love conquered all. It's no surprise either, given that she had only happy marriages and families to look up to, both in Asha and Bijoy and in her Dadi who still talked so sweetly and playfully about her Dada. The complex and ugly realities of Dev's life, and then the reactions of her family to those realities, slowly began to erode that conviction, starting with the first break up. The worst blow to this conviction was Neha and Ranveer's split, which is why she tried so hard to patch them back up -- her conviction was fading and she wanted to save it at any cost.

Dev was the opposite in a lot of ways. He didn't have any idea of love before Sona, and so he didn't have an abstract ideal to live up to -- I think that is where a lot of his queestionable husband behaviour came from. For him, being with Sona and catering to her demands was love and so he tried to follow her demands as literally as possible. In that way, he put his complete trust in her to lead him down this path of love with clear instructions, but at the same time, the path she was so confident in was losing valence for her. She wanted him to counteract all of the things that were making her uncertain, but he didn't always know how to do that.

In the end, with their split, her faith in the idea of love died, so she left, and his faith in her died as a result, so he lost the only meaning of love he had ever known. So once again, it comes down to what they do with the feelings in their hearts, now that all the scaffolding for a relationship is gone.
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Posted: 8 years ago
Sam and saumie, I'd like to add my 2p if I may. I'll ofcourse use my ghisa pita love languages raga.
Yes, sona and dev had that sufiyana/soulmates wala love. They really connected at a deeper level and last few episodes prove that more than ever. The trouble started because they were both round pegs in the square holes of their spouse's households. While they fit into each other's hands like a glove, the moment their families came into picture they failed to be good spouses.

If you ask me, it wasn't a very difficult problem to solve. And they solved it on occasions. They almost kept winning the battles but lost the war. For example, dev cancelled the honeymoon, sona stepped up and didn't run a tantrum. Sona had the elena-vicky affair, dev didn't make a big deal out of it. With time, they would have picked what makes my "spouse's" boat rock. Example, the way to Sona, the wife's heart was through Bijoy. Now this one Dev would take forever to figure out. He has never had to prove himself to anyone. And unless someone told him, he would just figure this out after he would have seen how Sona is when Dev and Bijoy interact.

In the same way, sona can do all the vrats in the world. It won't impress Ishwari or Dev. If she really wanted to impress Ishwari, she needed to carve a different role for herself in that household. Again, no one would help her. She would have figured it out herself after a few incidents. She really needed go make a rabdi for Dev's bday not a green tea ice cream:D

What happened that fateful night is that not only did sona leave Dev, dev also left sona. He did not go after her. I know i harp on about the stalking a lot. But when biwi goes to mayka, meeyan ji needs to follow her. They were both in a weak moment.

I don't know what they will do now. They can fool themselves and call it co-parenting. But this companionship ain't going away. What will they do with that? What will they do with the happy happy rosy rosy feeling that they will start getting in each others company?

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