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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

@Rekha: I hate to say this, but I think Dev's use of feminist came from the popular confusion between "feminist" and "misandrist." Sona hasn't "become" a feminist, she always was one because she believed in equality between men and women, but the way Dev said it, it was like she took her independence once step too far and the result was this ugly thing called feminism, which in this common misrepresentation refers to a woman who can't admit that she is wrong and if accused, gets personal in the name of sticking it to the patriarchy. It fits Sona's behaviour today, but not so much the actual definition of feminism. I'm gonna try to forget that dialogue was there. 😕 Get it together, writers!!!


I agree with you and @drcs on the use of the word 'feminism'. Sonakshi has been given equal respect in her home and her parents never considered her any less than Saurabh. I am proud of that upbringing as its a clear reflection of me and my brother too. I was trying to echo Dev's views and opened it for debate! I felt the writers have visited this forum and misconstrued the meaning of 'feminism' and poor Dev got the dialogue! 😃

There is one more thought which I had expressed in one of my posts earlier, that, Suhana has an impression about her father in her mind. Children pick up words and understand conversations at home. She probably overheard Boses speaking about Dev and formed an impression. Then she met Dev as BigCha and started liking him. Then, it was revealed that BigCha is her dad. Now, it's conflict in her mind. When she spoke her mind to Dev, I couldn't believe that a six year old could have such clarity of thoughts. Yes, being honest and telling everyone at home about the happenings in school etc are normal instructions. But, beyond that, I felt it's not Suhana's thoughts. She is speaking what she has heard and thinks is right. That's why, when Dev walked into Boses home with Sonakshi in his arms, she gave a thumps up to Dev!! 😃Suhana liked that and she signed Dev about it. I am just hoping that the Boses don't cloud Suhana's mind with negativity about Dev. I was happy when Sonakshi told Bijoy firmly that Dev needs to given one chance to prove he can be a good father. That's what I call being 'independent' - voicing your views clearly.



-Rekha
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Posted: 8 years ago
@Shaavi and DQ: As much as I would love to give the writers that much credit, I am not totally conviced that this dialogue was self-aware, or that the term was used with any real consciousness of its evolving meaning. The people who are derisive of feminism seem to be stuck with an image of radical, second-wave feminism -- the kind where women reject anything remotely patriarchal, including men themselves. What a lot of people don't know -- I didn't myself until some important teachers came into my life -- is that that brand of feminism has undergone heavy criticism, and we are well in the throes of third-wave feminism, which is more about inlusiveness and diminishing the negative impact of patriarchy on everyone, not just women.

I agree with you, @Malika, in that I understand what Dev was trying to say; he was questioning Sona's assertion that neither she nor Soha needed him and her implication that a father was of secondary importance to a child. So for him, independence meant lack of dependence (good), but feminism meant refusal to accept assistance (bad). His argument was valid, but his use of the term was not. The problem is that the word "feminist," as Dev used it yesterday, is often used to dismiss women when they try to point out something wrong with our society, and seeing such usage on such a popular platform can reinforce this common and dangerous misuse.

Moreover, it's easy to see the flaws in second-wave feminism today, but without those radical feminists, none of us would have the rights that we do today. I mean, I didn't expect Dev to declaim about the finer points of feminist theory (although that would be like ☺️☺️) but I wish the writers had avoided that word entirely if they werne't prepared to do it justice. It takes away from impressive, inherent feminism of their content.

At this point, you may be surprised to know, I did actually watch the rest of the episode. 😲😆 Here are some observations.

Dev is being made answerable for msitakes he didn't make. That really pisses me off. Soha deserves answers to these questions: why hasn't Dev been in her life? Why hasn't he been there to care about her and worry whether she eats and sleeps and goes to school? Her definition of a father is completely defined by the one father figure she has, Bijoy, and that totally makes sense. BUT the person answerable to these innocent questions is not Dev because he is not the one who made the decision not to be there for his daughter, or the decision that she didn't *need* a father. Still, Dev stepped up and took responsibility for the situation and I was damn proud of his maturity.

At her core, Sona was equally shocked by Soha's questions. It seems like she was under the impression that on the day she chose, she would introduce Dev into Soha's life and Soha would say, "thank you mumma," and Dev would say, "thank you Sona (I was a fool to let you go)," and she would live perfectly ever after. Soha threw her for a toss when she persisted not to take Sona at her word and accept Dev as her papa, and the best Sona could come up with in response was,"because I say so." This made Dev's timely intervention all the more meaningful and me a glimpse into their potential as co-parents. Where Sona falters, Dev takes the fall and Soha gets the answers she needs. Too bad these two have the worst ever timing with communication. The moment Sona was a tiny bit vulnerable, Dev barked at her and *ching* went her armour, locking into place, *swoosh* went her shield, straight into Dev's face, knocking the wind out of him. And Dev was like all ready to dance their familiar dance.

But OMG, that expression on Dev's face when he catches her. He was so genuinely worried about her, and I don't think it was just for the fall. He saw those split second changes in her demeanour, from sweet with Soha, to apologetic when after she left, to defensive and haughty when he shouted at her. His expression was like, "why are you doing this to yourself?" For Dev, living many lives and switching between different attitudes towards different people is old hat. Sona is trying to match him step for step, and for the first time, I think he got a glimpse of the toll it is taking on her. Nobody knows better than Dev that this is not OG Sona. The Sona he remembers was confident and candid, and never felt compelled to pretend she was something else. Now, like @Shaavi said, she has a different mask for each person in her life. That moment of emotional connect between them was like cool water in a never-ending desert for the hopeless romantic in me. ❤️

I love the way they are showing Soha falling in love with Dev. At the outset, she listed all the characteristics she thinks a father should have, based on Bijoy: he should worry about her wellness, be there for her, and even shout at her when need be. Dev is winning her heart for completely different reasons; he's handsome, he's strong, he's confident, and he is incredibly charming and fun. She can't seem to stop thinking about him. It seems to be leading to a situation where Soha doesn't realise she loves Dev because he doesn't have any of the qualities that she recognises as valuable, but he brings something into her life that she didn't have before -- fun for the sake of fun and happiness for the sake of happiness. I can't get over how "Dev" this is! Guys, Bijoy(/Jatin?) is Natasha and Dev is Sona! 🤣

Dev was stupid to try and sneak Soha out in any case, and I am very glad that the child showed so much maturity. It saved everyone a lot of heartache, including yours truly. I only wish he didn't have a point about the Boses; the change in Soha's attitude when it is just her and Dev is unmistakable. Can we revisit that stirring speech about your daughter's honesty, Sona? Golu as always is an oasis of positivity in this tense and volatile situation. He gave his Bigcha the best advice: no fear, and we can see how valid it is. It's Dev's confidence and unbridled expression that is winning Soha over, and there is no reason for Dev to doubt himself. He's got this.

As for Ishwari, I am going to join Dev and say:


Edited by Samanalyse - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
👏 👏 for all the writers here
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Posted: 8 years ago
feminist - I have seen so many people who call themselves feminists but don't even know the actual meaning of this word.As the word is close to the word feminine so ppl assume yeh word woman rights se related hai. I guess there's a misconception that anyone supporting woman and opposing man ,are feminists.
Whereas feminism is all about equality.Equal rights given to woman and man.
I don't know why Dev called Sonakshi a feminist.

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Posted: 8 years ago
@Sam. It is always such a pleasure to read your analysis. They have so much depth and are wonderful articulated. Hats off to you 👏 👏 👏 .

In all this I pity Soha. She already has masks and hides stuff from her mother. But the more she interacts with Dev, the more she will be torn. Dev is not like Bijoy nor I think he will be a dad like him. He will not only show all the care that Soha listed, but will show something more. Things which Soha will like but will also feel guilty to share it with her mumma or Bijoy.

I also feel that Soha will very soon feel that by loving Dev, she is hurting the family she knows. She will be torn between her happiness of being with Dev to her family's happiness. Hopefully Soha will also be honest with her family as she is with Dev.

I feel for that kid. 😊
Edited by Shaavi - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
@Shaavi: Thanks, and likewise! 😃

I am totally with you on Soha's conflict, and I think the scene with her and Bijoy foreshadowed that really well. Honesty is great in some ways, and I know Bijoy was being honest with Soha but what he said was really scary if you think about it from her perspective. He made her feel like the entire Bose family was dependent on her, and as a mature kid, Soha probably took him very seriously. This sense of responsibility will certainly make her guilty when she starts developing a real bond, not only with Dev, but with Ishwari and the rest of the Dixits. And tomorrow, what happens if someone in the Dixit house says something similar to her, that they can't live without her and are terrified of losing her? That is a huge burden for Soha's tiny shoulders.

Hopefully this will be a huge coming of age moment for Dev and Sonakshi. They couldn't stand up for themselves against their parents, but will they be able to unite as parents and stand up for their daughter? I sure hope so!
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Posted: 8 years ago
Now coming to the yesterday's episode now dev's mask the slipping away fast and he is not afraid of showing his pain in front of sona. His daughter has taught him a definition of good father from her point of view. she has asked some simple questions for which he was not having an answer. For the first time he understood what he has missed and the effect of that. Now coming to sona she not able to decide she is also having an fight in his hart and brain. But still she is trying to think practically and ready to bend and give chance to dev as in future she don't want to face the question that why she has not allowed soha to meet dev and get blame from her brain point of view. But her heart want that dev should get successes as a good father that why she is trying to motivate him in her own way but at the same time she is insecure about soha . But if she try to make the efforts make sure that dev should not fail as a father in feature dev will make sure that she will not get failed as mother in his dauther's eyes when ishu mata try to prove that sona is not a good mother. Some how in dev and Ishu's shot I feel he has lost the hope that ishu will ever understand and him and try to come out her bubble. I see Ishu come to dev and to check thet is he angry to after the incidences at bose house and is he blaming or angry on the Ishu for the incidence which happen 7 years back and the in case of soha. she just want to check that in anger and her with the current equation with the dev is he talking the decision to not to bring the soha to dixit niwas. that why this buttering ad dialogues related to parenthood was there this is my take. Because the moment dev gives the assurance that he will bring the soha to meet her face is having an expression that "mission successful". This is my take on the ishu and dev communication and dev knows why this whole buttering is so he just say ok because he accepts that ishu has a right to meet soha.
Edited by timbarucha83 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
Yesterday episode showed quite a mirror to everyone..Dev will prove to be an excellent father, he will now realize the balancing act of retaliations!

What stood out was when Sonakshi tells him that life has given you one more chance -he challenges her and says this time you will lose...Ms Bose, and there lies the crux of their love story.. because he will not only win his daughter but will also win his wife back ... excited to see how he wins this final exam!

I actually loved the episode.. it was fantastic 👏

Ofcourse Dev coming through the window was only for us to know how perfect his daughter is -Dev please stop doing such impulsive things now!

PS: Coming to the pre-cap, and I still do want to make assumptions but why is Dev a stranger? Why will Suhana not be safe and what guarantee does she need? If only both Dev and Sona acted more maturely now ..Just like Sona said they need to make some kind of agreement and arrangement as to how will Soha divide her time between her parents! Also if Sona would finally tell Dev how Vicky had treated her when she was even married to Dev, should be the only threat that I feel she should be worried about .which she never communicated to her husband!
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: gmgi

In season 2 everyone is having Dual or even multiple personalities. It is like the conflicting heart vs mind is personified. It is intriguing to watch. Sona, Soha n Dev are extremes while others are milder versions. The only exception is Golu.

Geena, would you say Ishwari and Bijoy have two faces too in season 2?
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: thedramaqueen

Geena, would you say Ishwari and Bijoy have two faces too in season 2?


Yes DQ. Bijoy when he is with Sona his response to Sona is always like he is accepting whatever she is telling but his actions says otherwise. Asha more than him though. Some times I feel like they are playing a drama acting out specific characters that is expected of them. Ishwari was always multifaceted even in S1. But the temple scene with Soha and in the scene where she came to meet a sleeping Soha I saw another Ishwari. It was another Ishwari who gave the gyan of asal and Sood and another one yet who asked Dev innocently if he saw his daughter and talked to her.

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