*Season 2, Week 4* Analysis Thread - Page 37

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: jasw

Hi, I am not very active in the forum but read some posts regarding Sona - Bijoy relationship being toxic, so wanted to express my views! I don't think teaching your daughter to be strong and independent is wrong. I think the marriage lasted because Sona was strong otherwise it would have ended much earlier. I know what it is to live with a narcissist mother-in-law and her obedient son. Trust me, even if you take out Mami+Vicky, prenup and 5cr debit factors out of the equation, life is still hell. The gradual degradation of mental strength of the daughter-in-law happens in such toxic environment when the DIL caters to whims of MIL like Ishwari and husband like Dev Dixit(the earlier one). Those times if you have a father like Bijoy Bose and family like Boses, it is like a ray of hope, and you won't do stupid acts like ending your life or get into depression.

Regarding opening up by Sona, I don't blame her much. The two wishes she had asked amongst all the melodrama were 1) Jhoola and 2) Dev to be independent regarding his clothes( a small beginning from Sona's side to make Dev not so dependent on his mother). We know the result of that two wishes.

Sona's personal wishes crushed, her trying to help her husband's family members always taken as interference, her lack of privacy in her own bedroom with hubby, botched honeymoon, stranded while hubby celebrating his birthday with family(of which she was not a part). It is not easy to take all these without being strong.

Bijoy Bose warmed up to Dev after Sona's marriage althoug it is not easy to accept a son in law like that who created such tamasha on Sona's engagement day and later prenup fiasco. When Dev had gone for dinner to Bose house, Bijoy was very courteous. He was opening up to Dev by opening a bottle of alcohol too but Dev's calling Asha as aunty was something which hurt Bijoy a lot. When provoked he gave harsh reaction but he was never a plotter unlike Ishwari.



I agree with you that Sonakshi is lucky to have a complete family in the form of loving parents, brother and grandmother and also Elena who as a cousin/confidante listened to her at all times. Dev is not so lucky, is he? Bijoy and Asha are wonderful parents who gave in to Sonakshi's desires and always wanted the best for her. I don't think Bijoy and Ishwari have similar traits. But, Bijoy wasn't happy at all that his daughter was marrying Dev because of his behaviour (breaking up with Sonakshi and drunken state during engagement) and his family. His biased view that she would never be happy with him continued and he never missed an opportunity to spell it out. His interference and advise to his daughter was always skewed unlike Asha who was unbiased.

Else, how would you defend Bijoy's acceptance of Jatin as a prospective SIL - his traits being a Bengali and helping them during the financial and homeless crisis? He is very clear that Suhana doesn't need a father. How can he forget that Dev saved his daughters life and also bore all the expenses at the hospital? At that time, Dev was not in love with Sonakshi. His differences were with Ishwari and he used his daughter as a bait to pour out his frustrations. His false pride ultimately led to their separation. Today, his daughter is successful and financially well off. But is she happy? That is my only question.


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Posted: 8 years ago
This thought crossed my mind and I have posted this in another thread too. Please share your views also.

I am having an uneasy feeling that the story is moving towards a custody battle. I don't want to watch any such thing.


It is natural that Dev would feel betrayed by Sonakshi if he comes to know from other sources than Sona that he has a daughter after 6 years of her birth. Sona is clearly insecure and I wish Sona to fight her insecurities related to her daughter and prove that she is not like Ishwari.


And before Dev feels angry, I want him to introspect a little about Sona's POV also.


I mean, how did the girl manage to go through such a difficult pregnancy (hostile uterus) all by herself and successfully manage to complete it to the term?! Such a big testimony of Sona's inner strength. (I said all by herself, because she may have been with her family and friends. But a partner's love and support is different.)


Most importantly, she decided to give birth to the baby and not abort it; even if that meant she had to face the symbol of her failed love story everyday for the rest of her life.


Sona has practically held on to the last straw of Devakshi's love to her heart. Like she once said to Dev "Bachpan mein sardiyon mein jab dhoop nikalti thi to mai sochti thi ki kaash mai thoda chupa rakhun, rainy day k liye, taki baad mein dekh k khush ho jaaun."


If Dev really loved Sona once, or still loves her as some us claim, is this much empathy from his side too much to ask for? Custody battle would make this beautiful story very ugly.
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Posted: 8 years ago
Wow... catching up with all the posts 👏 everyone's is so interesting...thx all!

Deeps ..hope you feel better!!! Stay warm :)

I hope Jatin simply helps DevAkshi resurface their love for one another.. that's it!!!



On a sep note:A big applause to Shaheer for his brilliant performance 👏 today! The last scene was too good:)))
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: sona_naksh

Hopefully dev will meet his daughter in the milestone epi ...250th epi

and its a heartiest request sonakshi even if u cant justify in future but please do have reasons more dan dev mujhse soha ko cheen lega for keeping father daughter apart for more dan 6 years


Even I think so Di...hadn't we discussed this before...the milestone episode will bring something good for us...eagerly waiting for it
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Posted: 8 years ago
Hello thread members
Making this post as a co-mod of this thread. I am humbled that an unbiased, polite yet firm group of viewers are able to share their thoughts here. Could I make a small request and ask that the name calling be corrected please? I won't name names. If you think your post might offend someone, please edit it.

I have more thoughts to share as a viewer. As soon as time allows I shall do so

Thanks
DQ


Edited by thedramaqueen - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
Hello frnds.. weekends r killing...
Let me get back to my favorite business of noticing n pointing...
I have a lot to share... Let me divide it into pieces n share...

OK now while remembering the accident epi 1 scene which was for milli sec was roaming in my mind n was not able to figure it out since that minute.. not even after seeing the next days that is Friday's epi... N no one else here too made it a point.. so I was thinking to share it or not..But I don't trust myself as I don't see the epi again... jus one repeat... so not sure abt my POV to b right... but since m loving to b here m sharing...
Now suddenly it got my attention.. was it only me or anyone else noticed Asha's expression on reaching the accident place n seeing Ishwari n then when they were informed Dev is not reachable since morning n then Sona's call regarding Dev, Asha' s expression for a sec was like she sensed Sona still can't see Dev hurt, then again she is smart frnd U know, all r angry that she actually straight asked Sona to think abt the next marriage..
But here I got some other feel, that she has sensed it n she was trying to figure out weather it's the same from Sona as she felt, then when Sona clearly told her she wants only to focus on Soha n her work she got the next hint that she may b right that Sona is still connected to Dev n is not saying... so can we take it as Asha has started sensing...

Then came the Bose breakfast scene.. U know what, did U guys hear what Asha said when Bijoy spoke abt Sona's marriage with Jatin.. that if Sona agrees n marriage happens she will b the most happiest person...N again she followed she doesn't want to force Sona into anything...N her expressions were again noticed by me... Friends r not these the same words which Ritwick told to Bijoy sensing that Sona still loves Dev... N he will b n feel himself lucky if she married n chose Ritwick... These r the same words of Asha.. aren't they... can we again take it as Asha is sensing trying to figure it out with her best frnd relation...

Also Dadi regarding coat mentioned let me get used to the atmosphere here n then I will pull it down...
Is this what is happening... I mean Dev n Sona r getting used to playing the same love n hate game... N trying to adjust the atmosphere... Only when they feel themselves comfortable they will pull down their coats...


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Posted: 8 years ago

I have really enjoyed the discussions about Sonakshi from the last 10(!) pages so much, and it has got me thinking about another feature of society that this show is highlighting and critiquing. The following points that popped up in discussion are what prompted this idea:


Sona never saw Dev as her friend, and saw herself as weak if not completely independent, thanks to Bijoy's training (Shaavi)


Sona never trusted Dev enough to let him in (Latha)


Sona's connection to Dev began with attraction, both physical and emotional, where Dev's connection with Sona began with friendship (DQ). By the time they became friends officially, Sona was already in love with Mr. Dixit. Moreover, Sona was consciously looking for her "love story" and her "prince charming."


So my question for this post is, what is a prince charming, and what is a love story?


I think Sona, like many girls, got her idea of these concepts from romantic stories. The romance genre is meant to lift people out of the mundane, every day and take them to exotic places, introduce them to exotic people, or elicit exotic feelings. As someone naturally drawn to romance, Sona's first attraction to Dev and the Dixits came when she heard their rags to riches story. While she had lived a highly predictable life in a middle class family, Dev had gone through an incredible struggle and made himself into the man he was. He was ripe for casting as the tragic, brooding hero of her love story, and the fact that he fit the bill physically certainly didn't hurt. I think the fact that this is where Sona's attraction began says a lot about the way her love shaped up as the story went on. Though she came to love Dev much more intimately over time, she never quite abandoned this frame narrative for her life, and it disappointed her when Dev didn't live up to it.


This has a lot to do with the way these stories are structured, and one feature in particular: the man always pursues the woman. Because this is a genre geared towards women, they usually form the center of the story, and since it is meant to be a release for them from their daily struggles, the story is usually about the woman being saved in some way. It can be literally -- if you go back to the traditional rescue narratives in fairytales -- it can be emotional, where the barriers of a closed-off heroine are broken down by the hero -- or it can even just be the simple matter of the heroine being "rescued" from loneliness by the right man. Sona saw her love story as a combination of the latter two, which is why she keeps repeating the line that Dev brought colour into her life. That colour, to me, signifies excitement, romance, and unpredictability.


The second trope that Sona followed closely was that of the closed-off heroine. A lot of Bollywood movies, especially, teach us that it's the girl's job never to let on how she feels. The only women in old-school Hindi movies who express their feelings to the man without being pursued first, are either those under the negative influence of Western culture, or women who are too stupid to know better and are used for comedic purposes (eg. Mandira Bedi in DDLJ). Even on this show, lines were drawn between Sona and Elena; the one who was for expressing feelings was the flighty, frivolous one, and the one who kept them inside turned out to nurse the more serious love. In this cultural milieu, the heroine never discloses her feelings, and it becomes the hero's job to traverse continents, run through airports, display obvious jealousy, and reveal his love, despite his ladylove's apparent disinterest or disdain. The heroine then reveals that she feels the same way and, having elicited a confession out of a hero who is usually set up as unlikely to settle/surrender, ends the story with a victory -- a vicarious thrill for the women consuming the story.


Before the first break-up, and until it came time to reveal their relationship to their families, Dev fulfilled every single requirement of a romantic hero. Sona made a huge effort not to let it be known that she had fallen for him, and yet as soon as he realised, he came to her without restraint and confessed his feelings. This would not have been possible, were it not for Dev's unique confidence -- the trait that DQ mentioned, of never having to show off. With most guys, it doesn't come that easily; they hesitate and fear rejection. With the confession, Dev set the standards for his future behaviour very, very high which is why the hesitation to tell Ishwari and the subsequent break-up came as a disappointing shock to Sona. I think she never bargained for how low his weaknesses could take him, having seen how ideally he acted and reacted, based upon his strengths.


Once again, seeing the way he prioritised her family during the wedding, and assuming that he would never cross Ishwari, Sona expected that Dev would have already dealt with Ishwari's issues and made the boundaries clear. Finding Ishwari's disapproval intact on their first night came as a rude shock to her, and she once again Dev fell from the pedestal of peerless, romantic hero. Sona really cared about her wedding, and was sorely disappointed that it wasn't the fairytale she had dreamt of. With the bahu pageant, she set out to correct that, and shut Dev out completely. It was only after the double dinner, when Dev confessed how he struggled with his past, that Sona felt that connection again and planned the resort night. This, to me, was the most balanced moment in their marriage. That night, she said an important thing: "you tried your hardest to give me my fairytale." Instead of looking at the results, she appreciated the effort, and allowed herself to open up on the strength of that, putting her feelings out there for him to see. For a moment, she allowed her definition of a hero to shift but it all went haywire again with the Neha fiasco.


The last time she mentioned Dev as her "prince charming" was in the car ride back from Shimla, and the pattern is striking. There too, Sona held in her feelings, repeatedly apologised for overreacting, and resisted telling Dev what her actual problem was. It was Dev who pursued her relentlessly, and when she pushed him away emotionally and physically, made a show of force to ensure her that he wasn't going anywhere no matter how hard she pushed. Boom. That right there is the prince charming behaviour Sona wanted. Even though Dev caused a lot of trouble during their first break-up, I think she liked it, becasue as much as she tries to project herself as the kind of girl who would sensibly settle down with a Ritwick (her family still believes this), she loves the drama and unpredictability of a Dev Dixit.


If Sona brought what Dev needed into his life in the form of stability and emotional security, Dev brought what she needed into hers in the form of excitement and romance. But while Dev verbally appreciated Sona's contribution regularly, she often had the opposite reaction to his romantic advances. And what I am trying to say, is that those reactions are largely based on what she could have picked up in the media she consumed. Men are the ones who are desperate for romance and women of substance are supposed to temper their advances by never letting on that they are very interested. In reality, it simply doesn't work that way. Men need assurance as much as women do, that they are valued, and women have just as many personal desires. In a way, both of their tethers broke in the final break up. Sona's emotional strength, which Dev depended on, gave out, as did Dev's confidence/audacity that he could claim Sona as his no matter what. By trying to return his investment and accusing him of using money to highlight their economic differences, Sona showed how little she considered Dev a part of her, and dessimated the confidence Dev had in the rights his love gave him, and by obliging his mother so readily with the fertility treatment, and then focusing on her insult in the 5-crore fiasco, Dev snapped the bounds of Sona's patience and compassion. Both expected the other to recover and make amends, not realising how much they had been broken.


There is a lot more where this came from, and I am not even sure my point got across, but this is already so long that I'll stop here and ask what you guys think.

Edited by Samanalyse - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
First things first. The old na na na na na tune in back. OMG! DQ can't stop dancing. And that yummy bigcha in his cute overall must be such a treat to the eyes of mums and teachers. Why don't they have a Golu in every school. Both Golu and his bigcha. Golu you get very generous pocket money haan. Your nikki bua is the same. And so was your mother back in the days

Strategy bahut buri hai Miss Bose. (Why has Dev switched to miss Bose from sonakshi. Is he testing the "miss" part of the addressee's name?) . Revealing about soha is not a linear problem. It comes wrapped in many sheets. I said this in a previous post. I'll say it again. Sonakshi doesn't know that Dev didn't know the terms of the prenup. As far as she is concerned she will be looked upon as a gold digger. The Dixits might even plaster a character question on her saying she brought this child to their doorstep to claim alimony. She isn't doing this to punish Dev. How can she punish Dev when he is a fertile man? He has many options. He can adopt. He can have a child through surrogacy. He can marry a woman and have a child with her. He can have sex with a woman with the aim of adopting that child and the list goes on.

Her reason for not telling Dev about their daughter (unless they show another back story), based on what we have seen so far is plain and simple. She doesn't know how this will be taken by him and his family and the prenup clearly states that the child has no status in Dev's life.

Where sonakshi has gone wrong is, she has put the cart before the horse. This whole thing needed to be a multi step process.

- first of all she needed to prepare herself. Her face went a funny colour when Dev questioned her in school and later when he said he knows re the suraj. She has similarly brushed off this topic with soha a few times. So she needs emotional guidance. If I had to guess, dada and elena err Jatin will do the honours. Then she needs legal counsel and needs a water tight arrangement where child custody can be amicably achieved if needed
- then she needed to check on soha's mental readiness towards the news and the events that could follow.
- then she needed to avoid moving to Delhi till a point where both soha and her are sure of what they want. At 6, soha for sure isn't ready for such decisions. Once they knew what they wanted to do, they had to do one of two things. If soha doenst want to meet her dad, avoid Delhi at all costs for few years so that soha can deal with the drama if Dev runs into her. If soha chooses to meet her dad, then let him know.
- then the ball was in Dev's court. Sona has no explaining to do. ( They don't have any relationship as far as they are concerned. Else why would Dev never check on his ex in laws? Or why would elena or dada never reach to anyone. Sona never spoke to nikki even. I think it's because Dev and Sona made it ample clear to everyone that they have separate world's. ) Dev can at this stage look at his legal options or just decide how they proceed.

If they both want to prove they have moved on, they need human facades too. "Talk to the hand". Put your assistants and legal folks ok the forefront. Keep families out if this like you have thus far.

Now about jatin. I am super impressed by the makers thus far. It's not your ghisa pita triangle. Boses love him. He is one of them so why won't they. But sona and his energy was that of friends. I am curious to see how this proceeds. Especially from sona's side.
Edited by thedramaqueen - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago

Now the scene where Golu came running to his BigCha to share his heart as usual... He told his project details n then he told abt the gentlemen being in mess coz of the girls... this was something which took place before too.. he came running abt his prblm regarding the same, that again the same Girl being his prblm... But he detailed it with Ms. Suhana Bose...
Last time when Golu took his complaint to Dev he was happy but got irritated hearing girls making prblm for boys... N gave him advice to keep up boys pride n not let boys down...
This tym he was happy too but did not get irrigated, instead was happy from heart n gave him best advice to stay away from girls especially from the girls of Bose...I wud love if he had questi oned that... but after all he is a child.. can't expect more... Why din he question his BigCha regarding the change in the answer of the same question... I wonder what would his answer b...😉 The Bose Girl...😉

Yes the change in answer lies in himself, n the tym he spoke on the road n in the car... With the Bose Girl...
He is changing n feeling different... He is calming... He knows he is getting his doses...Of the Bose of his life...

He answered him stay away... (Dev U know being near her U r loosing Ur facade each tym U meet her... First both used to interact from a sound distance, but now U r almost feeling eachother breath ) so U were trying to assure urself to b away from her n so U adviced the same to Golu...
Golu he has now asked U that he wants to meet the Bose Girl which he said U to be away from... Once U introduce her... N take Ur next prblm of the Bose Girl to him...
Get ready to listen to the advice to be a frnd with her... N not to fight with her. .. also keep arranging meeting with her..
Ur BigCha is gonna take U along with him to meet the New Bose Girl of his life...
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: thedramaqueen

Hello thread members

Making this post as a co-mod of this thread. I am humbled that an unbiased, polite yet firm group of viewers are able to share their thoughts here. Could I make a small request and ask that the name calling be corrected please? I won't name names. If you think your post might offend someone, please edit it.

I have more thoughts to share as a viewer. As soon as time allows I shall do so

Thanks
DQ



Thanks, DQ, for pointing this out. Be it Sona, Dev, or any character, it's better to point out how certain actions were right or wrong, as opposed to passing judgments on their character as a whole. Blanket tatements like, "Sona is a liar," "Dev is spineless," or "Ishwari is a terrible mother" are what we are trying to avoid, so we can have more nuanced discussion.

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