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Posted: 8 years ago
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take a bow Tia. there is no better way putting the thoughts into words. Yes Dev Dixit is not a man that a woman with self esteem can call as a wonderful husband.

the irony is going by the average indian households, he is the best among those that a normal households offer. I would like to say you are among the lucky few who get to see a stronger men with great character, unfortunately not every female gets this chance.

Exposure to a bigger world, a greater society, a higher thought process are those that help us emancipate. I too am an NRI , i can clearly see the difference in my own attitude when i was living in India and once i moved abroad.
All i can say, the society in which we live, plays a major part in us framing strong opinions of how one should behave, and going by that in mind KRPKAB is bold enough to bring certain aspects of society to our living room.

To people like you, vimal, tikerfairy and few others who have seen men with honor and virtue can never accept the behaviour of Dev and forever we are going to condemn him. But for those who are yet to see such men, their benchmarks low as compared to your standards and hence they find him ideal. this show is for those average mass.


Originally posted by: tia.o

I think Rekha, you were not watching the same show I was. Firstly, Dev didn't love Sona despite him being aware of her infertility. He loved Sona first and then came to know about her infertility. There is a difference.

It's like someone falling in love with a HIV patient and someone falling in love with someone and then finding out that they have got HIV.

I don't know what you know about love. But true love doesn't come and go based on circumstances which was no one's fault and just situation of life.

The fact that Dev married Sona knowing the truth is normal. Because of the simple reason that he loved her. Not her ability to have children. If the situation was reversed, Sonakshi would have done the same.

But lying and deceiving are not situation. What Dev said to Sonakshi yesterday, had he said the day he found out the truth, well he'd be an excellent human being and ideal husband. But what he said yesterday sounded insincere by his actions.

If Sonakshi is enough for him, then why did he go behind her back trying to get her pregnant without informing her?

It's like saying someone tells a woman that he loves her with all her imperfections and then schedules plastic surgery behind her back. That is exactly where insincerity comes in. By the way, Dev didn't reveal what he tried to do but failed to do because the doctor did not cooperate.

All Dev's dialogues of support were not there when he was letting Sonakshi keep on getting insulted without saying a word. It was not there when he could have spoken the truth and stood by her regardless whether his mother "allows" them to get married or not. His choice was to hide the truth and continue deception.

He couldn't even tell the truth about his misdeeds to his mother in private. He wanted Sonakshi to say it. Why? So that he can share the blame with her rather than be the sole target?

And what mistake did Sonakshi committed that she had to say sorry? Her condition is beyond her control and since Dev hid the truth, her choices were also taken away from her. Then sorry for what?

You asked which man will accept a woman who can't conceive? The answer is that the man who is in love with the woman. Because when someone truly in love, NOTHING matters than being with the person you love. They would never be happy with anyone else regardless of their ability to procreate. If a man only marries a woman for how much her womb can function, he is not in love. Period.

I have seen couple like that. Not one, but three of them where they can't get pregnant. But they are happy together. One couple adopted, the other got pregnant by fertility treatment and the third remained childless. These are real men and real women who are truly in love. The people who run away hearing about infertility thinking to find another functioning womb, were never in love.

However, in what way a man marrying the woman after finding out her infertility while hiding the truth of her health condition is women empowerment? Being lied to is women empowerment? Or the fact a man married you knowing about your infertility is women empowerment? I don't think you know the definition of women empowerment. Because being lied to is actually taking away your power to make your own decisions and that is the exact opposite of women empowerment.

The script basically showed that no matter how big a man's lies are and how often he lies, if he says he did it for someone else's good and have good intention, then regardless what his actions were, he will not only be forgiven, but his wife will say sorry for situation not in her control. That's definitely not women empowerment.

I have nothing to say about Ishwari. She has always been a selfish woman. And why would I choose Elena? If I have to choose as an example, I will choose Bijoy. He is cranky, eccentric, abrupt and rude. But he is wise, speaks the truth, always does justice to every single one of his relationships. And most of all, can't even imagine hurting his own family members by deceiving them.

Let's not forget, Neha's divorce was also Dev Dixit and Ishwari's doing. They never gave her good advice. They are the ones who handed over divorce like people pay for candy for being a good girl.

I can't write positive posts on regressive mentality shown on screen. I can't focus on romantic scenes on the bedroom and public humiliation and flogging of female lead's self-respect in living room on a daily basis. I can't wax poetic on the male lead's smouldering glances and lofty dialogues which is negated by his actions. If you want "positive posts" like that, there are plenty of them in the forum for you to enjoy. I will write what I see and feel.

However, may be next time if I ever write any post, you will come back with stronger arguments to prove your point.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: VIMAL.M



@Bold - I disagree.Already in TV two shows showed it.I did not like the way it was showed in Ye Hai Mohbaetin.But I loved the way it was shown in Ek Hazaron Main Meri Behana.For me this show was best in showing a infertility n surrogacy track.Family as pillar of suppourt.Husband who can do anything for his wife to fulfill her dreams.Even MIL when Surrogate mom came.She always been in her DIL side.More than DIL .MIL was worried.That surrogate mother don't come between her Son N DIL.They even showed.Husband going for test n there was a scene in Hospital.Were Nurse give him the box n ask him to take sperm.Both the shows were in Star Plus.Having seen that show.I expected a mature infertility track in KRPKAB.The main focus will be on Husband N Wife pain.Family pain will be secondary.But in this show it is always be Ish pain.As if she only has heart.

Also infertility is not related to Women Empowerment.Motherwood is a part of Women's life.But it is not the only imp part n goal in Women Life.

Being infertile is not an Imperfection.Dev did not do any big favour in marring Sona.That's my POV.

Many couple marry without doing infertility treatment.After marriage only they get to know.Then the real test of love starts for the couple.I have seen many cases.Were infertility was found after marriage.How couple together fought.Stayed together n came out winning together.For them.They wanted to have baby for themselves.They wanted to embrace Parenthood.Not for family sake or DIL sake.This is were KRPKAB failed.Were they r giving wrong msg.If U give baby to family.Ur DIL will love you.Women worth is reduced to just giving baby.Better CV's rectify it n show DevAkshi want to have baby for themselves not for making Ish happy.


Vimal, a big hug for writing this. Yes KRPKAB has shown that woman is a baby making machine and which according to many on the forum is a very regressive thought. unfortunately, there are many out there in the real world, who still live under this delusion that one of the moral reponsibility of a DIL is to continue the family race. I am not just talking about Indians here, i live in South east asia and have a blessing of watching, korean, japanese , malay, and chinese shows. This is the accepted Norm in all of them. so going by that i would only say, no matter how regressive the thought may be, it is a trait in our asian mentality.

Unless the society in itself changes, and hopefully the internet generation can think out of the box and accept humans for being human irrespective of their biological sex and come up with code conducts based on humanity and not on nature of sex, this kind of thought process can never be avoided.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Let me start by wishing everyone a very very happy new year ! May the new year bring lots of happiness and prosperity in your lives!
I love reading your posts Tia because you get across your views so well and very clearly at that. I don't mean any offence and would like to put forward my two pence on the current track on the show:

Yes Dev hid the fact that Sona couldn't have children ever. He also made up the elaborate story about her being pregnant and even tried getting her treated without her knowledge. He has also apparently helped Saurav probably without Sonia's knowledge again.

If we look at it from dev's perspective - they decided to marry very quickly without getting to the root cause of their breakup. They knew inside that this would probably be their last chance at getting together again, Dev also knew that if Sona found out that she couldn't have babies ever she would definitely not marry him - especially considering how much they had spoken about babies. Once there were married, from the wedding night itself Sona understood that Ishwari never accepted her with her heart. This is a fact or reality which even Dev is aware of though he may have voiced it only now.

Sona has been brought up by her dad to be competitive and to be the best in what she does. My parents have also brought me up like that, I don't take no for an answer very easily and this has landed me in trouble sometimes. Sona in this case is treating this whole Ishwari acceptance as a challenge - all relationships must be given time to be nurtured. Don't we meet people at work whom we dislike at sight. After we get to know them better we may end up becoming friends with them.

That's why in the time of her deepest grief, she is still thinking of ishwaris reaction. In my view the problem is that both Dev and Sona never analysed the real reason or cause for the breakup. Till that is addressed they will both live in the fear that one day the other person would walk out of their life. This is true for both Dev and Sona. This fear, I believe, is what causes an otherwise rational Dev to behave stupidly and lie and for an otherwise independent Sona to take shit from her mother in law and Mamiji.

Hence it would be wrong to blame only Sona or only Dev - they both are to be blamed.

By the way, I want to add something from personal experience, I have been married for 13 years and in the early years when we couldn't have children, we opted not to have children. I am lucky that I have not been questioned by either by in laws or parents about my decision and we are happy with that choice. But there are still educated persons who ask me what happened - did u try all the doctors, this puja that sadhu etc, I just smile and shoo them off. Believe me the persons I am talking about are city bred educated persons. Hence ishwaris reaction is not surprising at all. Unfortunately that's the kind of society we live in.

Sorry this has become a long post - just wanted to put forward my point of view

Cheers
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: randomramblings


Vimal, a big hug for writing this. Yes KRPKAB has shown that woman is a baby making machine and which according to many on the forum is a very regressive thought. unfortunately, there are many out there in the real world, who still live under this delusion that one of the moral reponsibility of a DIL is to continue the family race. I am not just talking about Indians here, i live in South east asia and have a blessing of watching, korean, japanese , malay, and chinese shows. This is the accepted Norm in all of them. so going by that i would only say, no matter how regressive the thought may be, it is a trait in our asian mentality.

Unless the society in itself changes, and hopefully the internet generation can think out of the box and accept humans for being human irrespective of their biological sex and come up with code conducts based on humanity and not on nature of sex, this kind of thought process can never be avoided.



Agree with you.Society needed to be changed this mentality still prevails.Thank god I see the change in my family n friends circle.Change is happening slowly.Hope the society becomes better.Don't see women as baby making machine.It's Women right to give baby to family.If she does not want to have baby.That's her democratic right to say no I will not have baby.

Many blame Women.If she gives birth to Female Child.This think still prevails in society.But many r unaware Men gene decide the sex of the child.For everything Women is blamed.These things should change.Shows also have some social responsibility.Were they can show revolutionary thinking.Don't show Women as baby making machine.Today I was watching Actor Surya iv.He said he has decided not to say double meaning dialogues,no smoking n drinking scene in his movies.Because youngsters get a wrong MSG.Same apply to daily soap makers.They also have some social responsibility.Some get inspired by what they show n think this is right.We have to do like that.This what called True Love.Teenagers also watch the shows.They can't differentiate what is right n wrong.If they justify all the wrongs in the show.Hope to see some changes in society n also in Hindi soaps.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I feel what they are showing in KRPKAB, is a reflection of the society in which we live. It is not about Dev being glorified. As for Asha, she did the right thing in making Sona see Dev' s unconditional love. It's not easy to walk out on a marriage. Our age old grandma 's adage of the girl being committed to wedlock still hold true today. Of course today the adage holds true for men too. Relationships cannot be dictated by stubborn views and opinions. One has to give and take. The future episodes, should focus on Dev' unconditional love for Sona and vice versa.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Becca

I feel what they are showing in KRPKAB, is a reflection of the society in which we live. It is not about Dev being glorified. As for Asha, she did the right thing in making Sona see Dev' s unconditional love. It's not easy to walk out on a marriage. Our age old grandma 's adage of the girl being committed to wedlock still hold true today. Of course today the adage holds true for men too. Relationships cannot be dictated by stubborn views and opinions. One has to give and take. The future episodes, should focus on Dev' unconditional love for Sona and vice versa.



There r some exception in society also.CV's could have shown that.So that a strong MSG is sent out .Which helps the Society to change.CV's should have use this track to break the age old custom.But CV's failed in execution.

Sorry I disagree.Because Sona is infertile .Dev married her.Does not make Dev's love for Sona unconditional.He said if I said the truth mom will not be ok with the marriage.That shows.Dev cannot oppose his mom.Even if her demand is wrong.The day he oppose the wrong doings of his mom.I will applaud Dev n may be say his love for Sona is unconditional.

More than Dev's unconditional love.It should be Dev taking a stand for his wife in public against his mom n make GKB shut her mouth.She should not dare to open her mouth again to taunt Sona.

Reg Sona.She should not value her less.Because she is infertile.Should not do things to please Ish.Should do things keeping her n Dev in mind.If GKB taunts her.She should give it back.

Both Sona N Dev should not be indebted to Ish because she gave green signal for their marriage.So they do things to please her.In fear.That they might get separated again if Ish do any problem.They should be strong.They need to think of themselves n not pleasing Ish.Fight as team against all odds.Should not bow down to Ish's emotional blackmail.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#67

Happy New Year 2017.

@tia-o : You have completely missed my point, so I disagree with your reply to my post. We are at two different coasts that would never meet!! 😃

You can choose to answer my simple questions thou :

1) Why did Dev marry Sonakshi?

2) If your reasoning is that Dev fell in love with Sonakshi before knowing her medical condition (I believe that falling in love does not look at timing etc.), why did he stick to his decision to marry Sonakshi after knowing it? Wasn't he confident of finding someone else, since he was sure that Ishwari was not in agreement to his choice?

3) Pls not get so influenced by the Google or Oxford definition of women empowerment, that you refuse to look any further. India is a developing country and you may need to come and live here for some time to understand what I mean. It's not only the economic and financial independence that women here are fighting for, but there are social stigmas that are capable of throwing your entire life out of gear. And education is not the answer to this either, which involves property rights, amongst others. It's the basic mindset...

You need to watch Swara Bhaskar movie 'Nil Battey Sanata.' It's a beautiful take on a situation faced by women in India.

I hope for the best to happen to Dev-Sonakshi and Ishwari leads the change for all mother in laws to follow. But alas, I really don't know what the Creatives have in store for us.

KRPKAB is telecast in India at 9.30pm IST weekdays Mon-Fri. 🤣


-Rekha
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Becca

I feel what they are showing in KRPKAB, is a reflection of the society in which we live. It is not about Dev being glorified. As for Asha, she did the right thing in making Sona see Dev' s unconditional love. It's not easy to walk out on a marriage. Our age old grandma 's adage of the girl being committed to wedlock still hold true today. Of course today the adage holds true for men too. Relationships cannot be dictated by stubborn views and opinions. One has to give and take. The future episodes, should focus on Dev' unconditional love for Sona and vice versa.





This is the regressive influence i was talking about. Cv's what hell you guys are preaching in the name of "lou"
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: tia.o

I have full faith in you guys to carry on. May be I will occasionally comment on your posts. Keep on writing. You can do it. 👏


after reading every daily episodes update , i have urge to leave this show.then comes forum reaction's ,i don't know why i can't tolerate people justifying wrong thing in the name of "lou". Aisa lagta hain we should atleast raise our concern about where they are going wrong unlike sona "ideal bahu" who's tolerating bullshit just to sustain in relationship.😕
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: VIMAL.M

What we say in this post is constructive criticism.Why criticism always termed as negativity.Praising always termed as Positivity.This is not fan club.All will praise the show.In-spite of them showing wrong stuff.Some will oppose.Criticism is not negative at all.

. if you can't take criticism then you don't deserve praise also.
shouldn't forum should feel grateful if there are 15 posts of praises of CV's ,there are 5 posts who don't agree with whatever they are showing. Blind worshiping is toxic . 😆 there should be balanced of views and opinions.

for example current positive point of this show = excellent acting of shaheer,erica, and supriyaji 👏
negative point of this show= glorifying wrong things in the name of showing "reality" or "lou"

Ye mera "balanced" post hain😆

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