Honesty is Overrated!!! - Page 6

Originally posted by: dlavanya

His brother did not do a lot and mostly gkb is the reason.. Mamaji did say he only provided her place to live initially when her husband died.. Then ishwari and kids had to move out..
Mamaji helped when someones life is in danger but he did not help with day to day. He was not living with them...
I asked you to not assume sona lied to ishwari ...
I am asking you again not to assume all that ishwari and her kids went through was just poverty(even this is i am sure a big deal if one is pushed into poverty in the middle of their life and they are not born into it). I am not assuming that ishwari went thru all the troubles i described but cvs did indicate she was definitely sexually abused or atleast ppl tried to abuse and hence she had to cary a knife around ..

I am sure you and me cant assume what living in poverty is like.. I have not even seen a lower middle class lifestyle .. I am sure you didnt either.. So lets give benefit of doubt about somethibg we have never experienced ourselves...

Enjoy your movie ... Have a good night

Originally posted by: pomegranate

okay call me cold hearted and a man hater(I'm not) but why is his terrible past used as an excuse for every damn thing. it explains why he is like this but it does not give him a free pass, it does not save him from criticism. this reminds me when lawyers try to defend their clients by using their awful past "my client abused his son because he was also abused as a child, so please show some leniency" "yes my client was caught with trafficking drugs but he did it to get out of poverty" "my client cyber bullied someone but he is a straight A student who mows the neighbor's lawn for free" like please, your welcomed to like your favourites but call out bad behaviour, and stop using his past to explain away all his transgressions.

Originally posted by: Pehchaan.Kaun

Sorry Lavanya for poking my nose here 😆 But I want to say something here and would want to know your perception about it 😳

Haha.. no worries ,you can poke your nose in any of my posts with out apologizing.😆

Let me see if I can give you my pov ...

My 2 basic doubts -

When Dev broke up with Sonakshi in such pathetic and harsh manner, people said he was in stress, and you don't know how you behave when you're SO disturbed.

I was one of the persons who believed DEV really didnt have a choice but to break up with Sona... But I absolutely do not approve of how he broke up with her... He should have had a mature discussion and they should have mutually separated (permanently or temporarily).. but it didnt happen... though i dont like it or approve it, i do know why Dev did it the way he did -- it is his nature -- he is impulsive and tries to find a solution for the most threatening problem that he has in his hand (losing his mom was).. That is how CVs have defined his character and we have seen several scenes where this characteristic was displayed - he acts first and then thinks..

Dev says he and his family came out from extreme poverty and they saw things which is unthinkable for any normal people to imagine.

Yes I cant imagine what they must have as I was never in that situation.. but i can guess what all problems they must have faced - no food to eat, no place to live, no one to look after the kids, No one to protect a young mother from vultures.. potential molestation attempts on ishwari, ppl might have beaten up Dev when he would have tried to protect her... i just cant imagine... i would just say a very nightmarish past that both Ishwari and Dev can probably never forget.

Fine. Agreed for both. But when our lives go down like that all of a sudden, and we are tested each and everyday by people, by society and by life, when we see the REAL troubles so closely and literally live them, is this how we come out of that ? Ishwari and Co. have seen the worst of anyone can see, is this how they turned out and learnt from that ? So shallow, petty, insensitive ?

Yes, I agree people do tend to become selfish eventually, but what about the other characteristics ?Is there anything in Dixits which I can actually praise of ? Tough time induces compassion and strength in characters, lies is for the weak people. After winning such tough battle, why Dixits have turned out like this dysfunctional bunch of clan ?

How do you know people are supposed to come out the way you expected.. the outcome is dependent on their actual journey. Let me see if I can put my thoughts out ...

lets discuss how their journey could have been before they emerged as winners..

Ishwari and Dev formed into one unit and they were a team and they faced all the issues together, they discussed all the issues and came up with solution, they probably ate together every day..

They have developed this deep bond and they became severely codependent on each other...Dev being young he grew a bit out of this co-dependence but the link is still there even from Dev's side. But it is very severe from Ishwari's side where the mere idea that a third person (dev's wife) would share the importance in his life is unbearable to her. She is extremely insecure that she will not be able to spend the time with Dev that she used to cherish..One thing i am most certain is she is absolutely not romantically interested in Dev 😆 and I have not seen her actually spoiling any SR plans for Dev and Sona... plans were spoiled merely because of stupidity of Devakshi and not because of Ishwari.. I used to hate ishwari for the way she was behaving during the break up track... but i believe i understand her a bit better now and cant get myself to hate her anymore. I pity her and the only way she can find a balance and not feel so insecure is if Dev and Sona keep her in loop and involve her in decisions, care for her and let her do the things she likes to do for the family..Also they need to let the other kids (the sisters) spend some quality time with Ishwari ... so that she doesnt have to keep looking out for Dev to pamper her or care for her...There is no other way..

If we go back to the initial episodes, dont we love Ishwari ?? She is a very lovable person and has very good ideals. the only problem arises when she has to share Dev's attention with someone else... I dont see her as a failure.. but yes she has a problem and that is the story of kuch rang pyar ke --- isnt it...we will see how this problem will be addressed in the show

Dev is also good at heart (he cares for ppl around him) and i am sure he got all the good ideals from Ishwari... But he has some problems - He is impulsive and cant understand emotions very well and has the habit of forcing things on ppl when he thinks it is good for them, he lies to ppl thinking that truth will hurt them. He has his share of problems just like any normal person... but there is a hidden problem in the name of this deep bond he shares with Ishwari... The moment anyone questions him of that bond or why he did what he did ... he just cant take it... i think it is just because he is unable to explain that bond he shares... He knows it is not a conventional one.

For Dev to move forward, he needs to stop lying to ishwari and Sona. he needs to learn how to break the truth to them and be there for them.. it is a very sensitive problem... He needs to do it very carefully without breaking hearts.

Neha - We all know why she is the way she is... she is the neglected child who was forced to be a mother at a very young age... I can totally understand her frustrations

Riya/Nikki - i think these turned out to be ok even though neha raised them as they didnt see all the troubles as they were very young.

Similarly, isn't there a saying that a person's character is defined not by his actions but by how they react to a situation. Don't you think Dev's reaction to any tough situation (not just Breakup, it's been repeated umpteenth times since then) just proves what his character is ? Still how can that be a reason to justify his way of dealing the tensed situations ? The justifications for Dixits don't match with the way I would judge people.

Dev needs to grow up and look beyond his mom... He needs to understand that people other than his mom can get hurt too... He is nice most of the times,,, but the moment his mom comes into picture he becomes unpredictable and can behave unacceptably for me atleast... All i can say is He has shown a trailer of this problem during the break up phase to sona... She has full understanding of this mom-son problem.. But sona is a fighter and always a winner so she decided to take a leap of faith just because she loves him (not because he deserves her) hoping to change the situations to her favour... i like her confidence... lets see how she can actually decouple this exclusive ish-dev bond and form new bonds... Ish - all her kids and Ish-Dev-Sona...

Does she have to deal with this complex family ... not necessarily...

Should she walk out and get separated from Dev and this family -- up to her...i wouldnt complain if she does

Originally posted by: shanry

Given how Sonakshi was upset with Dev for not telling his mum about having eaten at her parents' place, it is hard to digest that she herself lied to Ishwari.

Unless she is a quick learner and learnt from her husband that she should not do anything to hurt her mum-in-law, and knows that her mum-in-law will be hurt if she knows Dev is eating out, and alone with Sonakshi. And hence thought to protect her.

Or she was afraid if she revealed her plans, her mum-in-law will decide that it could be a picnic for all, or may even decide it is too dangerous for her beloved son to eat in a garden full of bugs and other vermin.

It is worrying though that CVs are showing that it is easy to throw away positive attributes just to attain the love you deserve.