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Chances are, if you grew up in the early 2000’s in India, you grew up watching the K shows and Kyunki no doubt is the mother of ‘em all.

So, after it was first announced that it’s getting a reboot, I was not exactly thrilled. Because those who followed the show in the first season remember, by the end of it we simply wanted it to end ourselves, although not that randomly and haphazardly out of the blue one fine day but that ship sailed.

It didn’t exactly help that the disaster that was the KZK reboot just added to the dread of what unholy, unhinged monstrosity Ekta was about to unleash again.

Then the news of much of the original cast including Smriti Irani, Hiten Tejwani, Ketaki Dave and most surprisingly Amar Upadhyay, are about to reprise their roles comes out and things start looking up.

Sadly, it seems like the joke is on poor audience again, because this reboot despite having the brilliant cast that created magic onscreen all those years ago so far is a dud.


Ekta had such a fantastic opportunity to get Tulsi to play Baa 2.0, now the matriarch of the family and how she guides her own DILs through their own journeys with their kids and especially their DILs.

But strangely, Mihir is supposed to have a new love interest, AGAIN, so down the drain goes everything.

It seems in a bid to make the original lead pair younger the makers have forgotten their own story. They have forgotten that Anupam and Kesar had 3 daughters, two teens and a preteen, who were briefly shown when Karan started living with the Kapadias for a while. And that by the time the show ended, season one had so many leaps that Karan and his generation were shown as parents to kids in their early 20s. So stands to reason, even if they were younger than Karan, those kids would have been adults if Karan’s stepdaughter who was born much, much later had also been married by the end of the show.

Mihir Tulsi were grandparents to ADULT grandchildren by the end of the show.

Not only is there a disconnect with the original show in a lot of ways but the new generation sucks too. There’s hardly any chemistry between the new generation’s lead pair - Vrinda and Angad; Pari comes across as a daughter of Trupti or at least Mohini more than any daughter raised by Tulsi and the cherry on top of the disaster that this cake is, that Mihir Virani, now a certified GRANDFATHER (despite not a single grandkid appearing onscreen so far in this season) is the object of obsession of a single, desperate, moronic woman AGAIN. A NEW ONE!

Because god forbid Tulsi gets an opportunity to rest on her laurels and relax about women being obsessed with her husband even in this age - after Payal, Mandira, Meera, now it’s Noyna. And to make things worse and icky, this one’s got a cheerleader at home in the form of Gayatri who is trying too hard to live up to her real name made infamous by the KZK vamp Komolika but manages to come across as pathetic, disgusting and cheap more than anything else.

All in all, so far, I can’t imagine what prompted Ekta to make this show again as it’s killing the nostalgia and the charm of the show that at one point of time had the whole country mourning for the death of a fictional character and weeping alongside his pregnant wife who had just been widowed.

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Posted: 23 hours ago
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Ik its neither the forum nor the place, but your Ishra one shots were fabulous! I loved reading them so much! smiley27

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Posted: 20 hours ago
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I haven’t watched this show, nor did I follow the first phase of this Ekta show.

However, the title of this post and the flow of expression instantly caught my attention. It is truly one of the finest posts I’ve come across in the IF journey. The content, the style of expression, the depth of analysis, and the way the nuances of the characters are dissected and defined—all are done brilliantly.

I agree with Vaidehi (missFiesty_69)

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Posted: 15 hours ago
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Originally posted by: EkPahelii

Chances are, if you grew up in the early 2000’s in India, you grew up watching the K shows and Kyunki no doubt is the mother of ‘em all.

So, after it was first announced that it’s getting a reboot, I was not exactly thrilled. Because those who followed the show in the first season remember, by the end of it we simply wanted it to end ourselves, although not that randomly and haphazardly out of the blue one fine day but that ship sailed.

It didn’t exactly help that the disaster that was the KZK reboot just added to the dread of what unholy, unhinged monstrosity Ekta was about to unleash again.

Then the news of much of the original cast including Smriti Irani, Hiten Tejwani, Ketaki Dave and most surprisingly Amar Upadhyay, are about to reprise their roles comes out and things start looking up.

Sadly, it seems like the joke is on poor audience again, because this reboot despite having the brilliant cast that created magic onscreen all those years ago so far is a dud.


Ekta had such a fantastic opportunity to get Tulsi to play Baa 2.0, now the matriarch of the family and how she guides her own DILs through their own journeys with their kids and especially their DILs.

But strangely, Mihir is supposed to have a new love interest, AGAIN, so down the drain goes everything.

It seems in a bid to make the original lead pair younger the makers have forgotten their own story. They have forgotten that Anupam and Kesar had 3 daughters, two teens and a preteen, who were briefly shown when Karan started living with the Kapadias for a while. And that by the time the show ended, season one had so many leaps that Karan and his generation were shown as parents to kids in their early 20s. So stands to reason, even if they were younger than Karan, those kids would have been adults if Karan’s stepdaughter who was born much, much later had also been married by the end of the show.

Mihir Tulsi were grandparents to ADULT grandchildren by the end of the show.

Not only is there a disconnect with the original show in a lot of ways but the new generation sucks too. There’s hardly any chemistry between the new generation’s lead pair - Vrinda and Angad; Pari comes across as a daughter of Trupti or at least Mohini more than any daughter raised by Tulsi and the cherry on top of the disaster that this cake is, that Mihir Virani, now a certified GRANDFATHER (despite not a single grandkid appearing onscreen so far in this season) is the object of obsession of a single, desperate, moronic woman AGAIN. A NEW ONE!

Because god forbid Tulsi gets an opportunity to rest on her laurels and relax about women being obsessed with her husband even in this age - after Payal, Mandira, Meera, now it’s Noyna. And to make things worse and icky, this one’s got a cheerleader at home in the form of Gayatri who is trying too hard to live up to her real name made infamous by the KZK vamp Komolika but manages to come across as pathetic, disgusting and cheap more than anything else.

All in all, so far, I can’t imagine what prompted Ekta to make this show again as it’s killing the nostalgia and the charm of the show that at one point of time had the whole country mourning for the death of a fictional character and weeping alongside his pregnant wife who had just been widowed.


Actually we still don't know whether they are counting the last generation of S1 or not...it's not confirmed...


We fans are still assuming that this season they had removed the last generation and the story is continued before the beginning of 2nd leap of S1... ie the childhood of Bhumi, Mayank, Nakul & Eklavya after Nandinis traumatic incident it's assumed that after that they shifted to New York and Bhumi Manthan may not have born that time....


I clearly agree to your point that with now wherever they start according to assumption...It has been cleared that he is Grandfather of kids now...even Shobha had children...


So how ...how and how Ekta could bring a EMA angle to a grandfather's character...It is 100% right that a man / woman can explore their life anyway they want in any age but only one limitations is they can't do cheating on partners and EMA at this age which is totally absurd and weird ...no matter how much you do toil to write a best character...


Mihir has no chance to do EMA at this age of his life...


Though according to the current track Mihir is not seeing Noina as other something ....it is clearly evident they are just friends at least from Mihir's side...But why a character like Noina (as shown in her entry episode ) is shown as desperate woman to get her old love back.... isn't it ruining both Mihir and Noina's character...is it not equal to malligning them....


Does a woman and man looking good in their 50s needs to lingered ...why Ekta can't show people as friends ..why she is always obsessed to EMA , love triangle, third wheel and all creepy stuffs ...


The reason is TRP ...


Mihir blindly shipping Pari as for his love is even considerable rather to think over him drooling over another women at this age... though again I say Mihir has no such feelings yet like this...but his words are hyping up Noina's expectations for him ...which is wrong..

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Posted: 14 hours ago
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Originally posted by: missFiesty_69

Ik its neither the forum nor the place, but your Ishra one shots were fabulous! I loved reading them so much! smiley27

Thank you 😊


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Posted: 13 hours ago
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Originally posted by: Viswasruti

I haven’t watched this show, nor did I follow the first phase of this Ekta show.

However, the title of this post and the flow of expression instantly caught my attention. It is truly one of the finest posts I’ve come across in the IF journey. The content, the style of expression, the depth of analysis, and the way the nuances of the characters are dissected and defined—all are done brilliantly.

I agree with Vaidehi (missFiesty_69)

Thank you 😊

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Posted: 13 hours ago
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Originally posted by: Sweet_girl29


Actually we still don't know whether they are counting the last generation of S1 or not...it's not confirmed...


We fans are still assuming that this season they had removed the last generation and the story is continued before the beginning of 2nd leap of S1... ie the childhood of Bhumi, Mayank, Nakul & Eklavya after Nandinis traumatic incident it's assumed that after that they shifted to New York and Bhumi Manthan may not have born that time....


I clearly agree to your point that with now wherever they start according to assumption...It has been cleared that he is Grandfather of kids now...even Shobha had children...


So how ...how and how Ekta could bring a EMA angle to a grandfather's character...It is 100% right that a man / woman can explore their life anyway they want in any age but only one limitations is they can't do cheating on partners and EMA at this age which is totally absurd and weird ...no matter how much you do toil to write a best character...


Mihir has no chance to do EMA at this age of his life...


Though according to the current track Mihir is not seeing Noina as other something ....it is clearly evident they are just friends at least from Mihir's side...But why a character like Noina (as shown in her entry episode ) is shown as desperate woman to get her old love back.... isn't it ruining both Mihir and Noina's character...is it not equal to malligning them....


Does a woman and man looking good in their 50s needs to lingered ...why Ekta can't show people as friends ..why she is always obsessed to EMA , love triangle, third wheel and all creepy stuffs ...


The reason is TRP ...


Mihir blindly shipping Pari as for his love is even considerable rather to think over him drooling over another women at this age... though again I say Mihir has no such feelings yet like this...but his words are hyping up Noina's expectations for him ...which is wrong..

I agree it’s a bit confusing regarding what time period they’re going for here to begin with, because there have been way too many leaps in the original season to make an accurate prediction.


Most of the original kids aka Karan and his siblings are just out of the picture, it’s a surprise in and of itself that Nandini is still hanging around but we hardly see any mention of Gautam, Saahil and all the other cousins that were on the show back then. It’s like all of them have magically disappeared and are not to be spoken of again anymore. So that confusion already doesn’t sit well with the original viewers who are already tuning in for the nostalgia or closure or both.


Then they go ahead and bring old wine in a new bottle all over again with the idea of a single woman being infatuated with Mihir, as if other men don’t exist in the world or at least the Virani family is simply something beyond comprehension. It doesn’t help that the way Gayatri keeps on rage-baiting Tulsi implying that once a cheater always a cheater is such a cheap thing IMO. It’s as if the show has forgotten its own canon and it’s ensuring Mihir also forgets his own traumatic experience and history by being too much of a gentleman to Noyna. I mean it was already established that while Mihir technically does cheat on Tulsi and fathers a son with another woman, he doesn’t do it intentionally nor willingly. Mihir was literally drugged by Mandira who then went ahead and took advantage of the situation, forced herself on him in that state and got pregnant, leading to Karan’s eventual birth and his absolute disdain and disgust for the woman he loved and worshiped once when the truth is finally exposed.

It was Mihir’s good intentions, his nobility and to some extent gratitude towards Mandira that she saved his life that led him into that trap in the first place. Initially he had no idea how to reveal the truth of her being alive to her brother and everyone else and once she had conceived his child it was too late for him to do anything as that would’ve opened a can of worms he wasn’t willing to deal with. And I believe, now in hindsight with a bit more age and experience as well as understanding on my side, that partly that had to do with his own traumatic experience of being assaulted by Mandira. Like what would’ve he done to explain that? Men can be exploited but it’s not easy for them to even admit that such a thing exists much less that they can be victims of it because that’s how it is in society. Since we are not sure of what the timing is here regarding anything, but even if we assume that Mihir was assaulted say in the late 1980s or early 1990s, given that the show began this season by celebrating Mihir Tulsi’s 38th wedding anniversary, Indian society was not having that conversation back then, I doubt any society on the planet was for that matter no matter how liberal and progressive. So Mihir hiding everything related to Mandira was not just about guilt, but shame, confusion and trauma thrown into the mix too, but at this point its ridiculous that he is being too naive and not maintaining a healthy distance with any woman who happens to be single given his multiple experiences with single women who get too close for comfort.

I don’t even understand him fawning over Pari and adoring her the way we never even saw him with Shobha. I would have honestly understood this attitude a lot more if Shobha had been the daughter, given that Gautam had been kidnapped as a child. Shobha was the only child he had until Harsh happened and there were a couple of years between them as it is. Fathers already have a soft spot for their daughters and in the absence of the son who was kidnapped, it would have made sense if Mihir spoiled Shobha silly as he poured all the love meant even for Gautam into his relationship with Shobha but this girl, it baffles me to no end why Mihir seems so much like a pushover when it comes to her. Not so much because she’s an adopted child but because we see no basis for his behaviour for the same, which not only makes it more frustrating but also annoying to endure let alone watch.

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Like you said about the story, I feel the cast sucks, especially the new gen. Also, May be an unpopular opinion but they should have gotta Ronit Roy to play Mihir. AU doesn't really fit the bill.

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Originally posted by: piya2025

Like you said about the story, I feel the cast sucks, especially the new gen. Also, May be an unpopular opinion but they should have gotta Ronit Roy to play Mihir. AU doesn't really fit the bill.

Yes, I do believe that Ronit was a much better cast for this season than Amar. Though Amar established the legacy of this character, he somehow doesn’t look the part of a man who is supposed to be at least in his late 60s if not older and so his pairing with Smriti now looks like a mismatch. Worse, he somehow lacks the maturity in terms of his character at the same time too. I’m not sure how to explain this but he comes across as way too bubbly and exuberant while with Ronit, Mihir came to be seen as a man who not only looked his age but behaved like one. Did he still have difference of opinions with Tulsi? Yes. Did they argue, have their occasional rough patches? Also yes. But it was evident that despite everything those two were still deeply in love with each other, had grown old together, had and raised kids together and seen each other through ups and downs, thicks and thins and stuck by each other no matter what.

With Ronit, Mihir didn’t constantly have to talk about how much he adores Tulsi and is lucky to have her in his life, because their easy interactions and looks showed that effortlessly without him having to spell it out at the drop of a hat to even a random stranger. But here, they’re trying too hard with Amar, which is another issue that comes across as jarring. With Ronit they didn’t need to constantly remind and convince the audience that these two have been married for decades, here they are trying too hard to nail that point home with words rather than actions unfortunately.


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Originally posted by: EkPahelii

I agree it’s a bit confusing regarding what time period they’re going for here to begin with, because there have been way too many leaps in the original season to make an accurate prediction.


Most of the original kids aka Karan and his siblings are just out of the picture, it’s a surprise in and of itself that Nandini is still hanging around but we hardly see any mention of Gautam, Saahil and all the other cousins that were on the show back then. It’s like all of them have magically disappeared and are not to be spoken of again anymore. So that confusion already doesn’t sit well with the original viewers who are already tuning in for the nostalgia or closure or both.


Then they go ahead and bring old wine in a new bottle all over again with the idea of a single woman being infatuated with Mihir, as if other men don’t exist in the world or at least the Virani family is simply something beyond comprehension. It doesn’t help that the way Gayatri keeps on rage-baiting Tulsi implying that once a cheater always a cheater is such a cheap thing IMO. It’s as if the show has forgotten its own canon and it’s ensuring Mihir also forgets his own traumatic experience and history by being too much of a gentleman to Noyna. I mean it was already established that while Mihir technically does cheat on Tulsi and fathers a son with another woman, he doesn’t do it intentionally nor willingly. Mihir was literally drugged by Mandira who then went ahead and took advantage of the situation, forced herself on him in that state and got pregnant, leading to Karan’s eventual birth and his absolute disdain and disgust for the woman he loved and worshiped once when the truth is finally exposed.

It was Mihir’s good intentions, his nobility and to some extent gratitude towards Mandira that she saved his life that led him into that trap in the first place. Initially he had no idea how to reveal the truth of her being alive to her brother and everyone else and once she had conceived his child it was too late for him to do anything as that would’ve opened a can of worms he wasn’t willing to deal with. And I believe, now in hindsight with a bit more age and experience as well as understanding on my side, that partly that had to do with his own traumatic experience of being assaulted by Mandira. Like what would’ve he done to explain that? Men can be exploited but it’s not easy for them to even admit that such a thing exists much less that they can be victims of it because that’s how it is in society. Since we are not sure of what the timing is here regarding anything, but even if we assume that Mihir was assaulted say in the late 1980s or early 1990s, given that the show began this season by celebrating Mihir Tulsi’s 38th wedding anniversary, Indian society was not having that conversation back then, I doubt any society on the planet was for that matter no matter how liberal and progressive. So Mihir hiding everything related to Mandira was not just about guilt, but shame, confusion and trauma thrown into the mix too, but at this point its ridiculous that he is being too naive and not maintaining a healthy distance with any woman who happens to be single given his multiple experiences with single women who get too close for comfort.

I don’t even understand him fawning over Pari and adoring her the way we never even saw him with Shobha. I would have honestly understood this attitude a lot more if Shobha had been the daughter, given that Gautam had been kidnapped as a child. Shobha was the only child he had until Harsh happened and there were a couple of years between them as it is. Fathers already have a soft spot for their daughters and in the absence of the son who was kidnapped, it would have made sense if Mihir spoiled Shobha silly as he poured all the love meant even for Gautam into his relationship with Shobha but this girl, it baffles me to no end why Mihir seems so much like a pushover when it comes to her. Not so much because she’s an adopted child but because we see no basis for his behaviour for the same, which not only makes it more frustrating but also annoying to endure let alone watch.


Sorry to jump in between, but Mandira hadn’t drugged Mihir, and I don’t sympathize with him. It was more of a one night stand with Mandira, and he was completely in his senses when it happened. Mihir himself admitted that it was one of his weakest moments and that he had committed a sin. He actually wanted to confess everything to Tulsi right after coming back from Australia, but he couldn’t, because Tulsi gave him the news of her second pregnancy at the same time. Meanwhile, Mandira also conceived, and Mihir simply didn’t know what to do, so he chose to hide everything from Tulsi.

I do understand that men can be exploited just as women can. But I don’t sympathize with either Mandira or Mihir. As a woman, I don’t blame Gayatri when she says, “Once a cheater, always a cheater.” If Mihir had truly been exploited, maybe her words would have sounded too harsh. But since he was fully aware and cheated willingly, I find no fault in what Gayatri said.

He was very much in love with Tulsi, and Tulsi eventually forgave him. But it is difficult for any woman to forgive a husband who cheated on her and fathered a son with another woman. Still, I agree that he had gratitude towards Mandira for saving his life, and in return, he took care of her when she faked her mental instability. However, Mihir was not a noble person in any way. He loved Tulsi, but he had a one night stand with another woman and fathered a child out of wedlock. And with Mandira , though she was faking her mental instability, Mihir willingly slept with her. Isn’t that more like taking advantage of a woman?

I am not siding with Mandira, she was undeniably evil. But from Mihir’s point of view, since she appeared to be mentally unstable, it seemed as though he had taken advantage of her. Out of his guilty conscience, he took responsibility for Karan, who was the result of that one night stand. When karan entered Mihir was not fond of him but Mihir later grew warm towards karan and loved him/trusted him more than other kids , atleast this was the narrative in S1.


And this is my analysis of Mihir's character from S1

Mihir was deeply in love with Tulsi, and the narrative of S1 often emphasized that bond. But love alone doesn’t erase the harm caused by betrayal. His choice of having an affair, fathering a child outside marriage were not just mistakes, they fundamentally hurt Tulsi’s trust and dignity. So, while he may have felt love, his actions were contradictory to it

Coming to Mandira, Mihir’s gratitude towards Mandira for saving his life is one thing, but gratitude doesn’t justify crossing the boundaries of fidelity. Emotional debt is not equal to romantic or sexual involvement. If Mandira had drugged him or pretended vulnerability and used that to seduce Mihir, one could argue he was manipulated but Mihir wasn’t forced; he could have chosen to keep boundary but he chose to cross that moral boundary willingly. So in many ways it is taking advantage because intimacy with someone who is supposedly unstable or dependent blurs ethical lines.

In my view Mihir wasn’t a noble person. He loved Tulsi but failed her trust. He showed gratitude to Mandira but exploited her (as Mihir has no idea abt Mandira faking mental instability). He was a flawed man who often justified his weaknesses under the garb of emotions.

So, in short I would say Mihir wasn’t a villain in the classic sense, but he was deeply flawed, a selfish man at times, a man who succumbed to the weak moments of temptation. His love for Tulsi coexisted with his betrayal, which is what makes him morally gray rather than admirable.

All said and done, I really liked your original post and I will also try to share my thoughts on your analysis.

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