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Posted: 8 years ago
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Can I say a v simple thing. If u feel my posts are not matching your expectations why you are wasting your precious time in stalking something which you feel unreasonable. Every human being has creative freedom to write what they think appropriate and the readers also possess the same right as the mouse is in their hands. Nobody is complelling to read my post. It's epitome of negativity to bash the writer after stalking their post over a fictional character. If you think my posts inappropriate dont read. Atleast I have my opinions and right to express them. Where as the readers like you have no compulsion nobody even bother if you stop reading my post. This is atrocious... to read my post without fail and criticise everything when you can't defend your point with logic. Hypocrisy personified thats alll I can say!

Sorry if the language sounds offensive. That is entirely yours. No plagiarism intended nor credit claimed.

Originally posted by: KamnaSharma

Im a silent reader of this forum. Can I say a v simple thing. If u feel the cvs are not doing justice why you are wasting your precious time in watching something which you feel unrealistic. The cvs have creative freedom to write what they think appropriate and the viewers also possess the same right as the remote is in their hands. Nobody is complelling to watch the show. It's epitome of negativity to bash the cvs after the episode. If you think the serial is disgusting dont watch. Atleast the cvs have restrictions and have to adhere to certain norms. Where as the viewers have no compulsion nobody even bother if they stop watching the serial. This is atrocious... to watch the episode without fail and criticise everything. Hypocrisy personified thats alll I can say!

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Posted: 8 years ago
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I guess a good relationship in CVs book is one whose foundation and walls are built on lies. Truth is too heavy for "good" relationship to handle.

Originally posted by: vibg



ive been saying the same thing. she is good from which angle? look at her offsprings.. they are emotionally weak people. she does everything to give pain to her own suputra!

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Posted: 8 years ago
#33
No offense but I feel u r writing what u would have done rather than what the characters have done or should do
CVS can't do anything becoz there actions are both on character.
Ishu and Dev both are insecure and afraid thinking Dev and sona respectively will leave them.
Should dev hide the reports????? No
But he will never give the reports to sona becoz he thinks in a twisted way he is saving her and in no way he will let the report come up. There is no right or wrong in his mind about it and also the fear sona might leave him.
As for sona lying, I don't agree at all, yes sona has all the right but who is giving them or who is she snatching from ishwari??? Like she did yesterday where she didn't even let her wait for her husband. Also we don't know who actually lies , we will find tomorrow. But she planned a surprise and obviously she can't say in front of ishu with dev at her side that we r going to dinner.
If she tells ishwari even 1 hr ago before going then again ishwari is going to do some drama and stop them. All the rights gone then. I think viewers will know when ishwari is gonna do all drama in for stopping there honeymoon plans. They don't let them talk forget dinner. So if sona lies she is actually becoming intelligent.
As for being liar, dev lies very easily and funny that ishwari doesn't even know about this. I feel lying and being independent doesn't go hand in hand as no one can say I have never lied ever, everybody lies whether intentionally or unintentionally. Nobody is saying its right but today is demand for survival. Sona too have lied in past two times both times unsuccessfully.
Just my POV no disrespect
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Posted: 8 years ago
#34
You know Rose, I am kinda tired at this excuse of a sad past repeated on loop to justify lie, deceit, rude behaviour everything. Get over it already.

Dev is what? 30? And say he started his business in his 20s. And say his hard life started when he was 10 (because his father had to be alive when Nikki was born unless she is illegitimate).

So mathematically he had 10 years of hard life in total. Then he had 10 years of better life assuming he started his business in his 20s. So he has lived a rich and priviledged life as long as a poor hard life and soon his rich life will be longer than his so-called past.

Then why does he keep whining about his past even now?

Har complaint ki excuse, Past perfect aur kya?

Originally posted by: rose4ever

Just watched the episode .As far as speaking the truth about Sona's medical reports is concerned,I have zero hopes of Dev telling it to Sonakshi.She will find it out some other way and it will create a huge drama.So,I wasn't surprised to see him hide the truth today.Dev is not thinking that by hiding he is only going to cause her more pain,not thinking about her right to know it,or the fact by talking about it,they can actually find some solution.

There was no reason to lie about dinner today.Is he going to give the excuse of difficult past for every small thing? He could have easily told the truth today.Haven't we seen so many times Dev skipping breakfast or dinner due to work? So what was the big deal today?

As soon as I heard Dev & Sona agreeing not to fight,I knew something of that sorts would be happening the next moment/episode🥱I wasn't wrong.There was no need to react the way he did when the only thing Sona was asking was about the need to lie regarding dinner.👎🏼

As for Sonakshi- I don't think she would lie regarding date to Ishwari🤔At least, I hope not.It's probably gonna be Dev who informs Ishwari about them visiting to her mama's place.But of course,Ishwari is going to blame Sonakshi and create a big emotional drama and Dev will probably stand mum and feel guilty.Again.



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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: tia.o


And you show a heroine who lies to her mother-in-law to go on a date with her own husband as if she is doing something wrong instead of taking her right as a wife.

A strong woman doesn't lie to get her rights, she just takes it. To spend time with her husband, no woman needs someone else's permission. Yes, she may inform due to courtesy, but that's it. Obviously concept of equality is beyond you.

You know, a lot of MILs are nosy like Eeshwari(though this woman takes it to the next level). I wanted to buy some nice Indian traditional menswear for my husband for his brother's wedding so I informed my MIL about that. So she opens her pitara of my FILs old clothes, and tells my husband that there is no need to buy new clothes as there is so many clothes his 70 yr old dad is not wearing anymore. She just loves to pit herself against me at every opportunity.😆 I told her that we are going shopping and I was just informing her.

What delusional world do you think we live in?

You think a husband and wife is justified by lying to each other or others in the name of saving them from hurt? Do you think they won't be hurt when the truth comes out? And what character stamp would you put on the main leads of your show? In plain speak, a couple of liers.

Intention doesn't always justify the means. If it did, then everyone who wants to earn a degree by cheating so that they can support their family will get credit for good intention. But instead they are suspended.

CVs when I was demanding Dev to protect Sona, I meant protection against insults and humiliation. No adult needs protection from truth, no matter how bitter or painful it is.

And when I was asking you to portray a strong woman, I meant to show a woman who demands her right, not lies to get it as if going out with her husband is a crime.

By the way, this was also the woman who never hesitated from telling the truth and stood up to Ishwari to show her the mirror after break up. Now you made her into Ishwari Part 2


Exactly. Today's episode got me thinking that they are actually trying to show codependency in the show. Hopefully they deal with it in a proper way. I still have hope even after I put up with all the useless characters/ useless fights/ useless episodes/ useless tracks. Earlier it was just the mom-son duo in such a relationship, but now Sona entered that relationship.


This fits the Dev-Eeshwari-Sona scenario so well. All three are switching between victim-rescuer-persecutor roles according to the situation. One of them needs to come out of this cycle in order to stop it. I expect Sona to do that. She is relatively new to all this and she had a healthy upbringing. She should stop playing victim of Eeshwari and Dev; she should stop persecuting Dev for listening to Eeshwari; she should stop rescuing Dev when he doesn't want to be rescued. Dev and Eeshwari will continue in that for a long time before it turns to better, because they have been in such a relationship ever since Dev's father died and that's a long time!

Lies never take you too far. Honesty and truth is the only way out of such vicious cycle. During break up, Sona was able to point out Eeshwari's mistake without all the drama. She should do the same now. Just show them the mirror every now and then and let them do whatever. Just draw boundaries and make them respect them. Though it's hard, she should try not to get affected by all the mom-son drama. She should take good care of herself and do things that make her happy without including them. She needs to preserve her own sanity if she wants change in the dynamics of this triangle.

May be I am just delusional and thinking too much of an Indian soap. May be it will just be like gopi bahu show, with subservient DIL, controlling MIL, uptight son and some vamps thrown in for drama. I will just watch some more episodes and see what they are trying to show.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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I would differ a bit here.. Facts dev was 9yr when he lost dad and dev is now 28 may be..

I wouldnt count on how many years of hard life a person lived ... According to me a single awful day in the past of a person is enough to make a life long impact.. Having said that 10 yrs of hardship is a lot and no matter how many years of riches he lives after that wouldnt matter..

Lets not assume what all they had to go thru during those 10yrs .. Lets just accept it was very difficult period and they can never erase the impact that had in their lives for this lifetime.. Now lets see what those hardships were and how dev and ishwari will eventually atleast learn to live with out fearing past.

(Just as an example a girl was raped oneday. Lets say it happened 20 yrs ago and ahe had a very goid life before and after that fateful day.. Would you say she should not remember that ine day her whole life? Will her life ever be the same after that day?

We saw sone guys were after ishwari and she used to roam around with a knife.. So how many such frightful days would she have gone thru...so lets not undermine the past


Originally posted by: tia.o

<font size="3" color="#660033">You know Rose, I am kinda tired at this excuse of a sad past repeated on loop to justify lie, deceit, rude behaviour everything. Get over it already.</font>

<font size="3" color="#660033">Dev is what? 30? And say he started his business in his 20s. And say his hard life started when he was 10 (because his father had to be alive when Nikki was born unless she is illegitimate).</font>

<font size="3" color="#660033">So mathematically he had 10 years of hard life in total. Then he had 10 years of better life assuming he started his business in his 20s. So he has lived a rich and priviledged life as long as a poor hard life and soon his rich life will be longer than his so-called past.</font>

<font size="3" color="#660033">Then why does he keep whining about his past even now?</font>

<font size="3" color="#660033">Har complaint ki excuse, Past perfect aur kya?</font>


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: dsr11


Exactly. Today's episode got me thinking that they are actually trying to show codependency in the show. Hopefully they deal with it in a proper way. I still have hope even after I put up with all the useless characters/ useless fights/ useless episodes/ useless tracks. Earlier it was just the mom-son duo in such a relationship, but now Sona entered that relationship.


This fits the Dev-Eeshwari-Sona scenario so well. All three are switching between victim-rescuer-persecutor roles according to the situation. One of them needs to come out of this cycle in order to stop it. I expect Sona to do that. She is relatively new to all this and she had a healthy upbringing. She should stop playing victim of Eeshwari and Dev; she should stop persecuting Dev for listening to Eeshwari; she should stop rescuing Dev when he doesn't want to be rescued. Dev and Eeshwari will continue in that for a long time before it turns to better, because they have been in such a relationship ever since Dev's father died and that's a long time! - And it's not natural. Dev now has a wife to spend time with. There's only X number of hours in a day, out of that he spends Y number of hours at work, sleeping, going back and forth from office. So that leaves (X-Y) hours left to spend with family. Even before Sona, Dev used to read, work at his study etc and Ishwari used to hang around with Radha, Neha, Nikki, Riya, Mamaji. He didn't spend all those times with his mother. But now he has a wife who deserves to spend time with her husband. Dev needs to stop feeling guilty and spend time with his wife. If he is that guilty about spending time with his wife, why did he marry?

Lies never take you too far. Honesty and truth is the only way out of such vicious cycle. During break up, Sona was able to point out Eeshwari's mistake without all the drama. She should do the same now. Just show them the mirror every now and then and let them do whatever. Just draw boundaries and make them respect them. Though it's hard, she should try not to get affected by all the mom-son drama. She should take good care of herself and do things that make her happy without including them. She needs to preserve her own sanity if she wants change in the dynamics of this triangle. - Absolutely agree.

May be I am just delusional and thinking too much of an Indian soap. May be it will just be like gopi bahu show, with subservient DIL, controlling MIL, uptight son and some vamps thrown in for drama. I will just watch some more episodes and see what they are trying to show. - That's why I am still sticking around and for people like you. Otherwise I'd have left already.


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Posted: 8 years ago
#38
I guess we just see these characters differently. But I definitely agree that dev is a compulsive liar.
But dev was never a logical person, if he was then he would have never broke up with sona on a whim, wouldn't appoint vikky due to emotional drama and many more.
Anybody getting that report other than sona will be catastrophic for her definitely but again dev delusionarily thinks that reports can never come and maybe when time for having children comes then he reveals. I know its not right but can't do anything dev is like this.
As for sona, desperate times calls for desperate measures hence lying it is for sona whether she like or not. Standing up for her rights can only work when all the issues of dev and ishwari are out in open. Lying may seem immature but when she is living in a house of immature people then she has to play dirty and resort to these measures unfortunately otherwise like last time she lost. She is just giving ishu taste of her own medicine if she lies tomorrow. As for standing up for herself is an alien concept in dixit house.
Dev lying at dinner was much more and deeper than that.
He subconsciously know that his mother is possessive about him just not the extent.
Him and his mother are interdependent and their was no third party between them before so just to pacify he is doing this.
He knows it's his fault that he didn't tell ishwari that he will have dinner at Bose house.
Its never about having her stale food and eating tom its always about making ishu see how he is enjoying her food and praising her. Remember when he refused to eat halwa becoz sona banned him even though he ate quite a bit but due to some 3rd party rejected it. Similar is the situation here.
Dev just don't want to hurt his mother in any way and see disappointment. In this scene both dev and sonakshi were right in there own sense
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Rape is a physical, emotional and mental trauma. Poverty doesn't even come close to it.

Lack of money and food is hard life. True.

But it doesn't excuse using that as an excuse to lie, trick, manipulate, betray, abuse the people you claim to love.

Secondly, if one is so damaged from trauma that they are unable to live a normal healthy life, they should visit psychiatrist for therapy. Marriage is not a solution.

Why saddle another person when you have so many issues to deal with yourself? It's not their responsibility to mollycoddle you for the rest of their life when you are not even willing to work on your issues.

Originally posted by: dlavanya

I would differ a bit here.. Facts dev was 9yr when he lost dad and dev is now 28 may be..

I wouldnt count on how many years of hard life a person lived ... According to me a single awful day in the past of a person is enough to make a life long impact.. Having said that 10 yrs of hardship is a lot and no matter how many years of riches he lives after that wouldnt matter..

Lets not assume what all they had to go thru during those 10yrs .. Lets just accept it was very difficult period and they can never erase the impact that had in their lives for this lifetime.. Now lets see what those hardships were and how dev and ishwari will eventually atleast learn to live with out fearing past.

(Just as an example a girl was raped oneday. Lets say it happened 20 yrs ago and ahe had a very goid life before and after that fateful day.. Would you say she should not remember that ine day her whole life? Will her life ever be the same after that day?

We saw sone guys were after ishwari and she used to roam around with a knife.. So how many such frightful days would she have gone thru...so lets not undermine the past

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Tia at onset I want to apologize to you for using your thread for the below write up. The reason is for some reason I am not able to open a new topic post with my ID

I just want to pose a hypothetical question about how this forum works. I have been a member since 2013 and maybe posted one time not sure of even that but have been active on this forum ever since this show started. I even had to reset my password to do it and I believe it was at Sam post because I loved her analyses on an episode.

I regularly post in Tia and Rose thread now and comment on some other threads as well. I regularly post where I feel comfortable and feel that the views match mine and sometimes even on this thread I post if I have differing opinions just like I post on other threads which have differing opinions and if I feel that the responses given may have a point.

I know I am being long winded here but I am trying to make my point so bear with me. Lately all I see is people calling people who have differing views or strong views on the show as negative, feminist and seems that we are hypocrites as well. My question is we are also viewers who may have differing opinions and so post them in the thread that resonates with us so how are we spreading negativity?. I can understand if we go to a thread that is supposedly positive and we start telling our views there maybe construed as negative but even that not because we may be just giving a differing opinion isn't that what discussion is about?. So why this name calling? And branding?

I am asking these questions because maybe there is a rule in the forum that I am not aware of of posing only a certain way

Tia I am sorry again just could not resist this post and I always seem to be apologizing to you for doing this😆


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