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Posted: 9 years ago
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It also shows that he is never going to confront Ishwari. If any step has to be taken, it has to be from Ishwari herself which at the moment seems to be an impossible situation.

The above line is what I am saying that shows Dev at this point is not redeemable
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: gemini54

@libran13


It also shows that he is never going to confront Ishwari. If any step has to be taken, it has to be from Ishwari herself which at the moment seems to be an impossible situation.

The above line is what I am saying that shows Dev at this point is not redeemable

Okay so if it's Ishwari who takes the step to reunite them , then that redeems Ishwari only, why'd that redeem Dev , unless n untill he goes into active by himself ??
Dev's problem is he's fond of quick fix. And quick ways are often Devil's ways. Rarely they solve any situation correctly n permanently.
Instead of going on long hard battle for his love and finding balance between mother n his lover , he took a destructive step which resulted in so much collateral damage to completely innocent n pure hearted people like sona.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: AnnaPaquinFan

Okay so if it's Ishwari who takes the step to reunite them , then that redeems Ishwari only, why'd that redeem Dev , unless n untill he goes into active by himself ??
Dev's problem is he's fond of quick fix. And quick ways are often Devil's ways. Rarely they solve any situation correctly n permanently.
Instead of going on long hard battle for his love and finding balance between mother n his lover , he took a destructive step which resulted in so much collateral damage to completely innocent n pure hearted people like sona.


Agreed that Ishwari's taking a step would only redeem herself and not Dev. What i meant to suggest was Ishwari taking the first step towards Dev and Sona would initiate their patch up. Of course just because Ishwari accepting their relationship is not going to bring Sona back. Dev must do his bit of apologizing, wooing and assuring her that he would never leave her again because Sona was hurt pretty badly. If Sona would ever considered getting back with Dev, i think she would only think of it after she was sincerely assured by Ishwari that she truly accepted them.
And regarding Dev's fondness of a quick fix in every matter. This is not the first time he has done that. He has done it many times before and he and Sona has even had arguments regarding the same. But in the end she has also told him that she accepts him even with all these flaws. Though i am sure when she said that she would have never even thought that he would do the same to break-up.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: libran13


Agreed that Ishwari's taking a step would only redeem herself and not Dev. What i meant to suggest was Ishwari taking the first step towards Dev and Sona would initiate their patch up. Of course just because Ishwari accepting their relationship is not going to bring Sona back. Dev must do his bit of apologizing, wooing and assuring her that he would never leave her again because Sona was hurt pretty badly. If Sona would ever considered getting back with Dev, i think she would only think of it after she was sincerely assured by Ishwari that she truly accepted them.
And regarding Dev's fondness of a quick fix in every matter. This is not the first time he has done that. He has done it many times before and he and Sona has even had arguments regarding the same. But in the end she has also told him that she accepts him even with all these flaws. Though i am sure when she said that she would have never even thought that he would do the same to break-up.

@Bold, I'm pretty sure she was completely unaware of this set of flaws in Dev that unfolded it's ugly face during their brek up, never ever even in nightmare she'd have imagined or envisioned Dev being so ruthless , heartless , inconsiderate n weak as he was on that doom's day at the hospital , so blind to her pain, heart break, self-respect n humiliation of hers n her family.
She herself affirms that when she was saying her last words to Dev, that this is not in fact the man she loved.
So, I don't think she'd made any promise like she'd accept him with his flaws , had she been aware of this new Dev Dixit. She was a blind naive fool when she made that tall claim, n it came back to her as a cruel laugh from destiny.
Because in no way she'd have considered embarking on a life long journey with this Dev , so so weak . NO self-respecting woman should.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: AnnaPaquinFan

@Bold, I'm pretty sure she was completely unaware of this set of flaws in Dev that unfolded it's ugly face during their brek up, never ever even in nightmare she'd have imagined or envisioned Dev being so ruthless , heartless , inconsiderate n weak as he was on that doom's day at the hospital , so blind to her pain, heart break, self-respect n humiliation of hers n her family.
She herself affirms that when she was saying her last words to Dev, that this is not in fact the man she loved.
So, I don't think she'd made any promise like she'd accept him with his flaws , had she been aware of this new Dev Dixit. She was a blind naive fool when she made that tall claim, n it came back to her as a cruel laugh from destiny.
Because in no way she'd have considered embarking on a life long journey with this Dev , so so weak . NO self-respecting woman should.


Agreed 😊
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: SoreThumb


Quick question..you used to post in IPK and madhubala forum right? Yes, that's right.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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I read your post and it was a well-written post. And I agree there are more logical and intelligent people in this show's forum. May be because this show has so far one of the best script and concept. If CVs use the incredible material they have the right way, this show can be one of the best shows.

Originally posted by: AnnaPaquinFan

What a fantastic post with true hard hitting words. 👏 Completely agree with you.

Well nowadays when our girls are brining Olympic medals for our country leaving behind boys and shining the face of India with glory, it's so very unfortunate that many still couldn't shake the thinking that a woman's life is dedicated to man's happiness , in case of gf her bf's n for a married woman , it's to be dedicated to her spouse n his family's happiness. Why can't we still think out of the stereotypical POV , where we have different sized yard sticks to measure a man n a woman's action.
Behold the male lead shading two precious drops of tears n suddenly all the unforgivable things he did are alright !!

I've been already been pretty vocal about the unfairness of viewing n judging man n woman through different lenses in several forum posts and especially in this post of mine, if it's possible to find time , do please have a look, here's the link- https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/kuch-rang-pyar-ke-aise-bhi/4699478/before-they-patch-up


Especially this comment of mine is pretty relevant to ur post methinks, so copy pasting it from my post-
That too in a country that's still full of BS ideas n ideals about how a girl should behave. It's a woman who must change , it's she who must pine, it's she who must adapt after marriage , who must sacrifice her ambitions, dreams n small small wishes whole life so that family n marital life runs smooth , it's she who must wait, it's she who must have all the "faith", "loyalty" , " patience" .
It's a battle for the girl as soon as she's conceived in her mother's womb, battle to live a life as she wishes with head held high .
Once again, congratulations n thanks for your post, for it gives a much needed platform for many to raise their voice in concern . Inspired bit of writing. 👏

REally loved reading all the replies too. I must say I'm truly proud of being part of this forum where there are so amny sensible wise talented mature people around here. It's a boon.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Exactly. Regarding your colleague, you can't really blame him. We are all products of our upbringing. When a family and society trivializes a woman's self-respect, her worth in her own family and her husband's family and she doesn't protest against the injustice, then how can her children learn differently? That's why to change a generation of thinking and mentality, a society needs to change and to change a society, a family needs to change.


Originally posted by: _Payalj_

I will quote a real incident here - one of my colleagues in office was complaining about his wife and how she tells their problems to her mother. I just asked him do you tell your problems to your parents. He confidently said of course they are my family. Then I said are your wife's parents not her family. Instead came the answer once she is married to me, my family becomes her family and all her loyalty should be towards my family only. This was said by a highly educated professional. That's Indian mentality for you.

Sonakshi should care only about Devs family as she fell in love with him.


To hell with what her family goes through. If she shows some consideration towards her own family she becomes a heartless bitch who never loved the poor hero enough. Sona agreeing to move on for the sake of her family's happiness makes her selfish and grasping.

A guy thinking about his family is NORMAL.

a girl thinking about her family is BAD AND ASANSKARI.


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Excellent discussion ladies and gentlemen... Some of you are talking about redemption. I personally would like to see Dev understanding the value of love and life partner before Ishwari accepts Sona. I want him to go to his mother and make her realize that even though he tried he couldn't live without his heart. Until Ishwari hears from Dev's mouth what is the importance of Sona in his life and she can no longer claim 100% of Deb regardless whether Sona is in his life or not, she won't realize her mistake. Also, Dev needs to make it clear that whether Sona is in his life or not, he will continue to love her until death and will never marry if he can't marry Sona. Ishwari is like ostrich. She can see everything, but is happy to continue to pretend everything is fine. Only straight non-vague clear message will force her to face reality.
Now about Sona, if Dev comes back, I want him to fight for his love. Prove to Sona that his actions are same as his words. If that means he needs to live apart from his family because they didn't treat Sona with her due honour and dignity, so be it. He saw how much Sona was insulted by his Mami and mom, yet when Sona said anything to him, he copied Ishwari's ostrich manner. He has to trust Sona, listen to her and support her and show his family that Sona and him are not two people, they are one. What they do to Sona, they do to him. Her dishonour is his dishonour, her insult is his insult. After all, don't women treat their men's honour, dignity and respect as their own? Don't they go against their family if they treat their husband poorly? Then why not men give the same honour and dignity to their women? And why should women settle for any less?
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I find this whole discussion extremely fascinating. Not from the point of view of this show but in general. Cos as far as soaps are concerned, most reactions are dictated by the fact that fans are emotionally invested in the lead couple and their chemistry. So more than gender discrimination and misogynist nature, its a simple case of fans not being able to see either of the leads with a third wheel. I mean there was this old Hindi show (which was ridiculous in every way but a rage back in the day 😆) where the girl was obnoxious in every which way..I mean that woman called her ex (the male lead) and made out with her husband (who she had no feelings for) just to prove a point 😆 And fans still shipped the two cos they had great chemistry..This is frankly nothing in comparison and like i said, more than gender disparity, most reactions are dictated by the fact that they are invested in the lead couple.

Now if we were to forget the show, chemistry and basically Dev-Sona-Ishwari for a moment and look at this as a stand alone situation, that is when i find most reactions quite fascinating. So a woman shouldn't be judged for attempting to move on after a break up..Agreed. Her love shouldn't be questioned just because she chose to move on within 5 days or 10 days or whatever. Agreed. In fact, i'd go as far as saying a woman has every right to move on quickly even if she was the one who initiated the break up and dumped the guy for whatever reasons..Even if it means she lost interest in the guy and couldn't see him that way anymore and even if he was an absolutely fabulous guy who made for the best boyfriend in the world..Its her choice at the end of the day..But then my question is why is a woman judged if she chooses not to move on? Why is that looked at as 'lack of self respect'? Trust me, am quite cynical and i believe that 'true love' or 'all consuming love where you cant think beyond your partner' is toxic and can destroy lives. But am also one of those who thinks 'to each his own'. I find it interesting that ppl think a woman lacks self-respect if she chooses to love a guy who ditched her/broke up with her for whatever reason(cos trust me ppl do lose their head and all sense of rationality in love😆 ). On the other hand, when a guy pines for the girl, its looked at as romantic. Why the discrimination? There is this film called Vinnathandi Varuvaya ( remade terribly in Hindi as Ek Haseena Thi) where the girl really treats the guy in a shabby manner and eventually moves on and marries another guy without even bothering to have a face to face conversation with her boyfriend (she tells him over phone that it wont work). Yet in the end when she asks him to move on, he says he tried. Still does but the way he felt when he saw her, he just cannot get himself to feel that way for another girl. Everyone found it romantic. Though i know for a fact that if the genders flipped and the girl was treated the same way and she still chose to love him, it would be looked at as regressive (I probably would judge the girl too 😆)..Like i mentioned earlier, i really do find the contrast fascinating which is probably why i ended up writing this essay😆 Just the difference in reactions when a girl moves on as opposed to a guy moving on..And at the same time, the opposite reactions when a girl chooses not to move on for whatever reason v a guy choosing to do the same..
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