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Posted: 10 years ago
#31
a very good post !
they are still 19 or 20 and have a lot to learn about love and the world
yes both of them promised to trust each other but when the time came to actually trust both of them backed out
i for a moment was hoping that maybe Nandhin will sense a change in his tone and will look into his eyes because manik can not lie through his eyes and that is the reason why he turned so that she could not see the love and pain in his eyes , and yet he could not control his hearts desire
he wanted her to stop him , to hug him instantly and to ensure him that everything will be okay and if she would have just hugged him then i am sure he would have broken down
but she did not because she still is not experienced in this matter , its her first time and all this is a very different feeling for her
and like you said she in some corner of her heart had not forgotten Monster Manik , thats why she instantly guessed it that the monster is back
they both need to go through this test so that they can come out stronger
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Posted: 10 years ago
#32
There is nothing idealistic about this love or this relationship...that is the whole point...they are young and confused...Manik's mistakes are different from Nandini's...so to vilify Manik for supposedly not trusting in Nandini's love for him...that really isn't the point...When Manik told Dhruv that he'd have backed off earlier had he known this is how Dhruv felt, what he meant was that he would have fought harder to stay away from Nandini...
But circumstances were meant to spiral out of control...Manik gave in to his feelings for Nandu...

His confession to her was very telling...it was all about what HE would mean to her...he wanted to mean that to HER and no one else...he never did exactly articulate what he would be doing for her...this is what I mean when I say young love...it's confused and selfish...even in the middle of "sacrifice"...Manik's sacrifice right now is all for Dhuv...he really hasn't thought through Nandu's part in it...he probably figured that Nandu has always liked Dhruv well enough so it won't be as much of a hardship for her...It's easier for most ppl to accept Manik as the villain anyways.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: AreYaar

There is nothing idealistic about this love or this relationship...that is the whole point...they are young and confused...Manik's mistakes are different from Nandini's...so to vilify Manik for supposedly not trusting in Nandini's love for him...that really isn't the point...When Manik told Dhruv that he'd have backed off earlier had he known this is how Dhruv felt, what he meant was that he would have fought harder to stay away from Nandini...

But circumstances were meant to spiral out of control...Manik gave in to his feelings for Nandu...

His confession to her was very telling...it was all about what HE would mean to her...he wanted to mean that to HER and no one else...he never did exactly articulate what he would be doing for her...this is what I mean when I say young love...it's confused and selfish...even in the middle of "sacrifice"...Manik's sacrifice right now is all for Dhuv...he really hasn't thought through Nandu's part in it...he probably figured that Nandu has always liked Dhruv well enough so it won't be as much of a hardship for her...It's easier for most ppl to accept Manik as the villain anyways.


@ bold above
Yeah agreed that he is confused and in a state of shock, reeling from it rather but it's common knowledge that there is Big difference in liking someone and loving someone. So the above means to say exactly what I meant earlier, that Nandini has "figured" just that much in his whole decision that he "supposed" she will like DHruv well enough to love him. Very absurd

He did WANT to mean all that to her, but only because she didn't say her wishes, wouldn't she expect the same from him too? Her not SAYING all that doesn't mean that it's all only Manik's due.

Nandini's trust was shaken (shown very realistically) because she was also hit hard like Manik has been by dhruv's confession. She was also reeling from his word which came like bullets, her ears must have been ringing too much to give her TIME enough to hear Manik's murmured words and ay attention to them. Both of them are reeling so both should be termed as showing lack of trust and faith in each other.

@underlined bold

No one is ever ready to think the worse of the hero until and unless he is shown falling weak. Weakness is not exactly a quality belonging to villains

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Posted: 10 years ago
#34

Originally posted by: -Mani-


Agree with the TM about young love and its fragilities, indeed well expressed. But I wouldn't highlight or make Nandu's trust (or lack thereof like the TM says) the sole example to describe young love etc. Agreed that Nandu's trust was shaken and Manik's attempt succeeded but didn't Manik's Love and his own belief in his Love (let alone trust) for Nandini fell short in the first place itself? His love fell weak due to which he resorted to the sacrifice melodrama.


i dont think he sacrificed coz he did not trust her..he sacrificed for his best friend..
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Posted: 10 years ago
#35

Originally posted by: -MKB-

a very good post !

they are still 19 or 20 and have a lot to learn about love and the world
yes both of them promised to trust each other but when the time came to actually trust both of them backed out
i for a moment was hoping that maybe Nandhin will sense a change in his tone and will look into his eyes because manik can not lie through his eyes and that is the reason why he turned so that she could not see the love and pain in his eyes , and yet he could not control his hearts desire
he wanted her to stop him , to hug him instantly and to ensure him that everything will be okay and if she would have just hugged him then i am sure he would have broken down
but she did not because she still is not experienced in this matter , its her first time and all this is a very different feeling for her
and like you said she in some corner of her heart had not forgotten Monster Manik , thats why she instantly guessed it that the monster is back
they both need to go through this test so that they can come out stronger


Thanks! Yes if the doubt didn't exist in her mind, Manik wouldn't have been able to capitalize on it and execute this act of his...
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Posted: 10 years ago
#36

Originally posted by: -Mani-


@ bold above
Yeah agreed that he is confused and in a state of shock, reeling from it rather but it's common knowledge that there is Big difference in liking someone and loving someone. So the above means to say exactly what I meant earlier, that Nandini has "figured" just that much in his whole decision that he "supposed" she will like DHruv well enough to love him. Very absurd

He did WANT to mean all that to her, but only because she didn't say her wishes, wouldn't she expect the same from him too? Her not SAYING all that doesn't mean that it's all only Manik's due.

Nandini's trust was shaken (shown very realistically) because she was also hit hard like Manik has been by dhruv's confession. She was also reeling from his word which came like bullets, her ears must have been ringing too much to give her TIME enough to hear Manik's murmured words and ay attention to them. Both of them are reeling so both should be termed as showing lack of trust and faith in each other.

@underlined bold

No one is ever ready to think the worse of the hero until and unless he is shown falling weak. Weakness is not exactly a quality belonging to villains


I don't think you are still understanding my point...Manik is not blameless in this situation...I never said that what he did was right...ofcourse he hasn't been fair to Nandu with the way he took control of the situation and executed it as he saw fit...but at the same time that does not in any way mean that he didn't think of Nandu at all...he made what he saw as a hard choice...b/w two ppl he loves dearly...so collateral damage...

And I already said in my post that both their trusts faltered...Manik's fault is that he didn't put faith in his love to overcome the Dhruv issue...as usual he put himself on the line for the sake of his friend...hurting Nandu is a cross he has to bear.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#37

Originally posted by: AreYaar


And I already said in my post that both their trusts faltered...Manik's fault is that he didn't put faith in his love to overcome the Dhruv issue...as usual he put himself on the line for the sake of his friend...hurting Nandu is a cross he has to bear.


@ bold..i love how u worded it..yes he did not had faith in the love rather than Nandini...he basically lacks understanding of love...

i dont know if he had really understood the meaning of his own line when he said to Cabir "u cant leave love incomplete" ? was it cabir or someone else ..grr forgot 😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
#38

Originally posted by: AreYaar


I don't think you are still understanding my point...Manik is not blameless in this situation...I never said that what he did was right...ofcourse he hasn't been fair to Nandu with the way he took control of the situation and executed it as he saw fit...but at the same time that does not in any way mean that he didn't think of Nandu at all...he made what he saw as a hard choice...b/w two ppl he loves dearly...so collateral damage...

And I already said in my post that both their trusts faltered...Manik's fault is that he didn't put faith in his love to overcome the Dhruv issue...as usual he put himself on the line for the sake of his friend...hurting Nandu is a cross he has to bear.


Yep agreed to all of the above. It's just that you highlighted that Nandini's trust got shaken easily but that was actually quite realistically shown compared to how easily and quickly Manik's sacrifice decision was taken.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#39

Originally posted by: nneeiill


@ bold..i love how u worded it..yes he did not had faith in the love rather than Nandini...he basically lacks understanding of love...

i dont know if he had really understood the meaning of his own line when he said to Cabir "u cant leave love incomplete" ? was it cabir or someone else ..grr forgot 😆


Thanks, Nitya :-)

Yes, Manik and Nandu both don't really understand the meaning and depth of love...the various facets to it beyond the fairytale or idealistic hues that they had in mind.

Manik said that? To whom and in what epi? I don't recall watching this scene...maybe I missed it...

See right now neither Manik or Nandu are dwelling on their own gyaan regarding love that they've passed along to other ppl😆...they are both reeling in shock and pain over what's happened...with time, these things will manifest themselves.

To put it simply, Manik chose friendship over love...it was a hard choice either ways...someone had to be hurt in the process.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#40

Originally posted by: -Mani-


Yep agreed to all of the above. It's just that you highlighted that Nandini's trust got shaken easily but that was actually quite realistically shown compared to how easily and quickly Manik's sacrifice decision was taken.


No I do still stand by that...Nandu's trust did get shaken easily...realistic, maybe...but that doesn't take away from the fact that she somewhere wanted to believe he really was the monster of her worst nightmares.

Manik's sacrifice decision isn't rushed either...he's always been like this...impulsive, willing to do anything for his friends even if it involves destroying himself...and their relationship was never the ideal mature types that he would sit Nandu down and talk this through with her...Manik is protective to the point of controlling in nature so this was in-character.

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