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Posted: 10 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: nneeiill


so true..the moment he realised it ..he lost even that last hope..how badly he wanted nandini to trust despite whatever rubbish he was uttering to her..but i guess he was expecting too much too soon.



Yes he was expecting a lot from her...but then she has always been the emotionally stronger one b/w them...Manik is very fractured emotionally...he needs her to stabilize him...but this time it wasn't fair to Nandu either...she had just started to soak in this new feeling, this new relationship...all firsts for her in life...how could she imagine that Manik would go to such lengths to negate everything b/w them?

Their love was in a very nascent/tender stage...just starting to blossom...this storm was too big for it to withstand...

Neither is to blame here...I feel sorry for both of them...circumstances are against them.

But there is scope for good angst here depending on how the writers take this...let's see.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#12
i loved ur post sooo vry much..🤗
i always thought wen Manik will pull up da 'revenge' trick, Nandu will see ryt through it n i fnk she will bt dat would b much later..so am i disappointed??
No because as u said 'she's new to all dis' n also she hd jst started 2 get 2 knw 'Lover Manik' bt 'Monster Manik'? she's been knwing him since long..
We've seen her recalling da moments wid 'Monster Manik' we're yet 2 see her reminisce abt her moments wid 'Lover Manik'..
Who knws she might put 2 n 2 2gether n figure out dat smethng is 'Definitely' wrong..

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Posted: 10 years ago
#13
Yup u are right ; it is beginning
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Posted: 10 years ago
#14
I would say 'trust' is a two-way street. Nandini's trust for Manik didn't come in a day, nor was it unexplained in any way. It came because he had 'earned' it. Given their history, Nandini could have chosen to ignore all the little signs of goodness she had seen in him and walk away, but she did not. Willingly or unwillingly, he showed his trustworthy side to her through little incidents, and she actively chose to believe in him and overlook that 'monstrous' side that she was well-aware existed in him.

Trusting someone is always a choice you make based upon their actions. Expecting Nandini, or any other character for that matter, to be a mind-reader and get through immense pain and shock in order to read his eyes is extremely unrealistic in my opinion. Yes, unconditional trust should exist in a relationship, but that can only happen when it is supported by communication. Every time Nandini 'saw through' Manik and comforted him, she already had an inkling that he was disturbed in some way, be it when he hugged her or when he shouted at her when she told him about Cabir. This is why the responsibility for this particular fiasco rests solely on Manik for me. He simply did not communicate. Instead he deliberately hit her where it would hurt her the most. He cheapened the trust he had built himself. Nandini, in the future, might figure out his reasons. I am hoping she will. But her 'trust' should not return until Manik learns to communicate honestly.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#15
Fab post dear!

Trust is one of the most important yet fragile things. People come and go and what remains mainly is trust coz u link that trait to judge a person every single time.

When u say u love someone, it doesn't always imply that you trust that person. In their case I would say that yes they trusted each other in little things, petty cases...even in some bigger occasions but they only trusted when they wanted to.Ultimately you trust a person coz u want to. You choose to believe him/her, put your full confidence in him/her.

Manik wanted her to believe that he is the MONSTER...hamesha and she believed him. BEcause he was convincing enough and she chose to believe it. It is always easy tos ay she could have still questioned...but dde when a guy is saying all that ON YOUR FACE why would someone think of any other lame excuse just in order to believe him.

Now is the real test...they will have to go through this TOGETHER...and build their relation on TRUST...real TRUST.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#16

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Ahh young love😆...it's one thing to get caught up in the euphoria of it and make undying promises of love and trust, it's a whole another thing to actually live up to those promises. I always felt that these promises came a little too early for Manik-Nandini...over just a few incidents, they started to claim undying trust for each other...and today when that trust was tested severely, they both crumbled proving that they still have a long way to go in truly understanding love and trust.


Young love yes ! 😆 The first thing that comes to young ppl's mind when they are in love is FOREVER. When you are young and all dewy eyed, it all seems so great in theory ... because then they are too young to know what forever actually is. I knew something was going to go wrong the moment Manik started extorting promises of HAMESHA from Nandu ! 😆

This is not to say they didn't trust each other...they very much did...if Nandu didn't trust him, she wouldn't have submitted herself to him the way she did...but that is one kind of trust...the other kind of trust which got tested today involved UNDERSTANDING Manik...if she truly understood him, that DOUBT that crept into her mind the moment he dropped hints of him having tricked her wouldn't have been there.

I think it was more like she was WILLING to trust him ... and she had just STARTED to ... but before it could be etched in stone, her faith in him was shaken. Again, because like you said, she didn't have the tome to COMPLETELY understand him. All this was such a whirlwind affair. Both of them were too giddy in love to actually think of all that and before they knew it, disaster struck.

The most significant moment of the scene was that one...when Manik turns away and murmurs for her to stop him if she really thinks he's kidding...but Nandini's trust was instantly shaken...there was only one feeble attempt from her wondering if he was joking with her before Manik very convincingly pulled his most evil acting yet to convince her of his betrayal.

Oh man. THAT bit. He was pleading for Nandu to step on the break for him ... because his sense of 'duty' towards Dhruv wouldn't let him. And at the same time it hurt like a bitch that he had to hurt her in THIS manner. My poor Baba 😒

I can't blame Nandu there either cuz she's young, innocent and relies a lot on her instincts...she totally went with instinct when it came to Manik...never really paused to question much even as her feelings for him changed from hatred to love...and that is why this relationship didn't really have the strong basis it needed to survive this test of trust...there is still a LOT they have to learn and understand about each other...

That's the thing about young love, you love with all your heart so your brain doesn't come into play. Which is why as much as it feels good to FEEL with all your heart, when you are faced with a test like this ... you are missing the one KEY player that could bail you out of this mess, your brains. And so you have no choice but to yield. And suffer.


Manik has used his Monster Manik persona as a weapon or defense mechanism for most of his life it seems...and when it came time for extreme measures to break Nandu's heart and make her let go of him, this was the only sureshot way of getting it done...but I think somewhere in a corner of his heart, he was hoping against hope that she won't believe this...that she would look beyond the facade and truly know him, show faith in him...it's a paradox but there it is...

Bitchin' paradox - Man its like Hopeception. Hope against hope against hope ! 😆 But alas it failed him and how so ! Because, Monster Manik, unfortunately is a facade he had perfected over the years. So when the time came to press the self-destruct button, it served him perfectly. Except he wishes it didn't but this is HIS Frankenstein that he brought back to life for this very purpose ... of crushing Nandu and his first love.

One's heart goes out to Nandu as she says that she's new to all this, that she doesn't know what he's saying...heartbreaking moment...what it must have taken for Manik to still sneer in her face so convincingly to convince her without a doubt that he is the monster of her worst nightmares...

I swear I hope VG burns in hell for hurting my babies like this 😡😡*Fangirl fury* As much as it was heartbreaking, it was also a revelation. That all this was NEW. For both him and her. It hadn't been long enough for them to be sure of what the other is capable of. Right now Nandu isn't sure who Manik really is and Manik isn't sure if he really has it in himself to see this through. So One last entreaty from Nandini, one last spurt of mind-control, and willing himself to go through with this for Manik before they find out.

If Nandu didn't still believe somewhere inside her that he really IS Monster Manik, she wouldn't have fallen for his act so convincingly today...so the trust is fragile from both sides...it is unfair of Manik to first ask for her implicit trust and then do his worst to shatter it like this...but then there it is...they were both wrong when they thought that he could so easily ask for her trust and she would so easily give it to him...

The real test starts now...and this time the trust should be fought for in a harder fashion and then won truly...that is when it will actually last and stand strong in the face of any challenge.

I said this somewhere else , and I am elaborating on it further here . The best thing about young love is its resilience. Young love suffers, young love weathers and young love bounces back. Like the tender bamboo shoots that bend when a gust of wind comes , and bounces right back up. Its that quality of pliability that you no longer have when you grow older. By that time you are already jaded by the big bad world and all the eeevil in it ... it hardens you , and hardened trees no longer have it in them to withstand a storm, they just let it blow them over. But when you are as young as Manik & Nandini are, you still have that zest for life ... that willingness to give life every chance it asks for. Which is why I say when I say what I say. I have hope for these two.

Edited by OneThatGotAway - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#17
Very well explained..👏 Completely agree!

P.S: I remember your amazing posts in NBT 1..Glad to see you here..
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I saw Anu and all the LTL memories came back. Good ol' days. 😆
Very well explained, I was always intimidated by your posts, lol.
Their journey has been a smooth one, the transition from hate to love was quite..err quick(?) And this is their testing time. They need to go away from each other only to come back, this separation is needed for them to grow, to realize what they actually meant to each other. There is trust, but not as strong as it should have been.

You can't blame Nandini for not trusting him, it was all new to her, he was very convincing, she never really pondered over the transition from hate to love, she never really thought about how he changed from a monster to a human, why did he change? What made him change?

The new feelings and emotions made her euphoric, she was only going with the flow.

And Manik, whatever he did was outright wrong, he had no right to claim for her trust and break it into pieces the next day. But he made this assumption that this love was not meant for him, it was meant for his buddy, the good guy, and Manik snatched it from Dhruv. He thinks Nandini deserves to be with the good guy, not realizing that Dhruv was made a good guy by Manik himself. He will realize how wrong he was. And then, he'll work his ass off to win her back.

That moment where he says "toh rok lo mujhe" and she recollects all the times he asked her to voice out her feelings for him, and then she says "isliye you wanted to know what I feel about you?", the disbelief in her voice, he closed his eyes as he knew his job was done, she believed in his lie, although he didn't want her to. His plan worked, although he didn't want it to work.

He will have to work very very hard to build the trust, make her believe in love again, because she is shattered, she lost all her belief, she let go of her fireflies.

Angst, is going to be painful. There's no "fun".
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I agree with both the TM and @Boxedin

Let just say, Nandini had never tried looking into his eyes every time he'd held her hand forcefully- she would either protest, squirm or or she wouldn't and just end up getting confused.

She didn't understand the lust in his eyes when he asked her to "thank me properly" and ended up giving a straightforward "thank you".

She didn't realize it was his jealousy doing the talking when he said "I don't like it".

She couldn't read the turmoil in his eyes when he came to her after knowing about Cabir.

Nor when he came to her to hug her one last time.

Therefore, I wasn't too surprised when she couldn't understand his actions even this time.

And I don't blame her either. A naive girl coming from a protected environment, trying to survive in a madhouse named S.P.A.C.E dealing with equally madass people!

Add to that a man who has been hell-bent on torturing her in the worst ways possible from day one is himself claiming that he did all this for 'revenge' after she has fallen in love with him- and not just that, he insults every memory in the cheapest ways possible! What can one expect, really?
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Posted: 10 years ago
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You are Anu right???
I have always loved reading your takes, so happy to see you in these forum.

You are so right here, the trust is so fragile.
I do get why Manik pulled of this stint, but seeing her broken so bad and also he needs to know he cannot make her fall for Dhruv now when he is her true love, he needs to set Dhruv free, he needs to tell truth to Dhruv and make him face it and he himself needs to learn that he cannot take decisions for others..
Same way i do get why Nandu believed his monster side soon, but had she trusted him enough it should have struck her somewhere , she has seen his humane side way too many times and that was not a lie, him saving Rishab, his loyalty towards fab5 and care ,love for them, him saving her a few times , the moments she spent with him where he dint put up the facade of being the monster, she known his vulnerable state.. May be Nandu still needs better understanding of Manik , she has not known him properly yet that is why she was so easily convinced on his act.. He almost pleaded indirectly if she can stop him, it was not the moment where she could think about all those, but i do want her to ponder over all these and some where feel that this aint the Manik she has come to understand , she needs to fight for her love she cannot just let it go..

Both Manik and Nandini have growing up to do, trust a better understanding needs to be built from both ends..

Wonderful post Anu👏.. Makes me think from both the sides so well now..
yest i was way too pissed with Manik's act, but the growing up is needed for both here..

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