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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: BoxedIn

I would say 'trust' is a two-way street. Nandini's trust for Manik didn't come in a day, nor was it unexplained in any way. It came because he had 'earned' it. Given their history, Nandini could have chosen to ignore all the little signs of goodness she had seen in him and walk away, but she did not. Willingly or unwillingly, he showed his trustworthy side to her through little incidents, and she actively chose to believe in him and overlook that 'monstrous' side that she was well-aware existed in him.

Trusting someone is always a choice you make based upon their actions. Expecting Nandini, or any other character for that matter, to be a mind-reader and get through immense pain and shock in order to read his eyes is extremely unrealistic in my opinion. Yes, unconditional trust should exist in a relationship, but that can only happen when it is supported by communication. Every time Nandini 'saw through' Manik and comforted him, she already had an inkling that he was disturbed in some way, be it when he hugged her or when he shouted at her when she told him about Cabir. This is why the responsibility for this particular fiasco rests solely on Manik for me. He simply did not communicate. Instead he deliberately hit her where it would hurt her the most. He cheapened the trust he had built himself. Nandini, in the future, might figure out his reasons. I am hoping she will. But her 'trust' should not return until Manik learns to communicate honestly.



@bold: I don't quite agree...firstly, no one asked Nandini to be a mind reader...but if trust was claimed, one would expect it to display itself in a crucial moment...Nandini gave him her trust even before he really asked for it...the morning after the drunk scenes also he was showing her his "evil" side by insinuating stuff but she didn't believe him then and chose to go with what her heart told her.

This incident was much worse no doubt and Manik was at his evil best...so it was tougher for Nandu to look past that...but that being said, I still feel she believed the worst from him a little too quickly...like somewhere inside her even she didn't believe this was for real...that there had to be a catch...and when Manik gave her half a chance to believe that yes it was too good to be true, she fell for it.

So no, I don't think the blame rests solely on Manik here...a large part of the blame, sure...but not all of it...Nandu didn't need to be a mind reader to go with the instinct that she's gone with so far with regards to him...whether it was the time he needed that comforting hug from her or many other incidents.

Circumstances, their youth...I blame these things more...they are too young to really handle this well at this point...they are both making mistakes...those mistakes should teach them something about love and life in the long run.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#22

Originally posted by: zohasad2.0

Fab post dear!


Trust is one of the most important yet fragile things. People come and go and what remains mainly is trust coz u link that trait to judge a person every single time.

When u say u love someone, it doesn't always imply that you trust that person. In their case I would say that yes they trusted each other in little things, petty cases...even in some bigger occasions but they only trusted when they wanted to.Ultimately you trust a person coz u want to. You choose to believe him/her, put your full confidence in him/her.

Manik wanted her to believe that he is the MONSTER...hamesha and she believed him. BEcause he was convincing enough and she chose to believe it. It is always easy tos ay she could have still questioned...but dde when a guy is saying all that ON YOUR FACE why would someone think of any other lame excuse just in order to believe him.

Now is the real test...they will have to go through this TOGETHER...and build their relation on TRUST...real TRUST.



@blue: Yes, this has been conditional trust in a sense...

And I'm not saying that Nandu should not have believed him...I'm saying I expected her to not believe it SO easily...no matter what he was saying...but then the thing is she didn't really know him much...she's never understood really why he puts on the Monster facade...he's always managed to successfully confuse her with it...just that this all came so quickly after big promises of trust and shining had just been made.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#23

Originally posted by: AreYaar



Indeed😆

Yes, Monster Manik has made the most impact on Nandu...that is the side of Manik that she has seen the most...he has always successfully confused her by displaying that persona...it's rare that she's managed to see past that persona of his...

True...trust was in it's nascent stages right now...with time it might have solidified more and withstood this test possibly...

But then it's all just been timed so well...Manik and Nandu could sense each other's feelings but they both wanted to hear it from the other's mouth first...Manik much more than Nandu...and looked at in a certain light, it can be considered suspicious that he only wanted to hear her say that she loves him...to elaborate what she thinks of him now...so that left room open for the misunderstanding to take hold...that she was just a challenge he wanted to win.

oh yes..when we think of it now..writers were smart indeed to leave such a big scope of misunderstanding...no one could catch it no..??? good observation yaar

In that sense the writers have been smart about it...OFFICIAL love confession nahin hua😆...they saved it for later I guess...round 2 of when these two get together😆

seriously..i would have loved this more than official confession but alas manik ne sab beautiful moments ka intentionally kachra kar diya..

Regarding your question...yes I think Manik would still have tried this method even if they'd progressed further in their relationship...whether Nandu would have believed it as easily then or not is open to speculation.

Waise there seem to be bigger troubles ahead for Fab 5 now with Cabir's secret out to everyone...this will only make Cabir and the group hate Nandu more...Manik will have to manage that too...
yes ofc he has to deal with Cabir and manage accusation on nandini..and atm it will be a distraction for him ...plus there is this alya who is gonna bug him hard as she might ask for his support to make Dhruni happen..what a torture it would be for him ?😆
Now even if Nandu accidentally sees Manik's true feelings surface from time to time, she will find it hard to believe and trust what she sees...always wondering if this is some new plan of his to trick her.

Edited by nneeiill - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#24
Trust is a very heavy word..it carries a lot of weight..Atleast Nandini needs one or two days to absorb the shock she has just got. It is a lot to take in a few hours...If she is the sensible character that we know...then she will figure it out...analyse it..
It is a matter of heart..when it hurts there..all big words like trust,faith,belief flies outside the window..logic is something that is a matter of brain...when she will overcome the shock her heart has received..then will she only use her head...She just needs time..
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Posted: 10 years ago
#25

Originally posted by: OneThatGotAway



Young love yes ! 😆 The first thing that comes to young ppl's mind when they are in love is FOREVER. When you are young and all dewy eyed, it all seems so great in theory ... because then they are too young to know what forever actually is. I knew something was going to go wrong the moment Manik started extorting promises of HAMESHA from Nandu ! 😆 Same here😆...Hamesha came a leetle too quickly😆




That's the thing about young love, you love with all your heart so your brain doesn't come into play. Which is why as much as it feels good to FEEL with all your heart, when you are faced with a test like this ... you are missing the one KEY player that could bail you out of this mess, your brains. And so you have no choice but to yield. And suffer. Bingo👍🏼



Bitchin' paradox - Man its like Hopeception. Hope against hope against hope ! 😆 LMFAO...what an analogy, Rafi👏👏...you are too good at this stuff😆But alas it failed him and how so ! Because, Monster Manik, unfortunately is a facade he had perfected over the years. So when the time came to press the self-destruct button, it served him perfectly. Except he wishes it didn't but this is HIS Frankenstein that he brought back to life for this very purpose ... of crushing Nandu and his first love. Yes he's created this monster so he will have to bear the burden that comes with it, deal with the destruction it wreaks...self-destruction is nothing new for Manik...but this time he's pulled Nandu along into this mode and her pain will not let him be at peace.



I said this somewhere else , and I am elaborating on it further here . The best thing about young love is its resilience. Young love suffers, young love weathers and young love bounces back. Like the tender bamboo shoots that bend when a gust of wind comes , and bounces right back up. Its that quality of pliability that you no longer have when you grow older. By that time you are already jaded by the big bad world and all the eeevil in it ... it hardens you , and hardened trees no longer have it in them to withstand a storm, they just let it blow them over. But when you are as young as Manik & Nandini are, you still have that zest for life ...Very well said👏👏...oh the optimism of youth...what a lovely thing it is....😊that willingness to give life every chance it asks for. Which is why I say when I say what I say. I have hope for these two.

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Posted: 10 years ago
#26

Originally posted by: poo_j

Very well explained..👏 Completely agree!

P.S: I remember your amazing posts in NBT 1..Glad to see you here..


Hey thanks😊...you were an NBT fan too? Nice!
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Posted: 10 years ago
#27

Originally posted by: Sanely_Insane

I saw Anu and all the LTL memories came back. Good ol' days. 😆

Very well explained, I was always intimidated by your posts, lol.
Their journey has been a smooth one, the transition from hate to love was quite..err quick(?) And this is their testing time. They need to go away from each other only to come back, this separation is needed for them to grow, to realize what they actually meant to each other. There is trust, but not as strong as it should have been.

You can't blame Nandini for not trusting him, it was all new to her, he was very convincing, she never really pondered over the transition from hate to love, she never really thought about how he changed from a monster to a human, why did he change? What made him change?

The new feelings and emotions made her euphoric, she was only going with the flow.

And Manik, whatever he did was outright wrong, he had no right to claim for her trust and break it into pieces the next day. But he made this assumption that this love was not meant for him, it was meant for his buddy, the good guy, and Manik snatched it from Dhruv. He thinks Nandini deserves to be with the good guy, not realizing that Dhruv was made a good guy by Manik himself. He will realize how wrong he was. And then, he'll work his ass off to win her back.

That moment where he says "toh rok lo mujhe" and she recollects all the times he asked her to voice out her feelings for him, and then she says "isliye you wanted to know what I feel about you?", the disbelief in her voice, he closed his eyes as he knew his job was done, she believed in his lie, although he didn't want her to. His plan worked, although he didn't want it to work.

He will have to work very very hard to build the trust, make her believe in love again, because she is shattered, she lost all her belief, she let go of her fireflies.

Angst, is going to be painful. There's no "fun".


Areyy you know me from LTL forum? And you already know me but I can't seem to recall where we met...did you change your username by any chance? ...LTL days were one of a kind😆

Arey why be intimidated? You've write so well yourself :-)

@blue: Very interesting point there...Manik revels in and hides behind his "bad guy" persona...but has he ever directly stated that he feels he doesn't deserve Nandini? Maybe I missed an epi somewhere :S...I thought he let go of Nandu for Dhruv simply cuz he is that protective of Dhruv and can't see him shattering if he doesn't get Nandu...

But you're saying he genuinely has that inferiority complex? That he isn't deserving of an extremely good-hearted Nandu? And Dhruv being this guy who's always been nice to Nandu deserves her more?

Ofcourse all that he's shattered, he'll have to grovel to build again...

Nandu's disbelief should have been elaborated on more...a little more denial before she broke down...but they moved quickly there and the Monster Manik persona won as usual.

Manik has relied on the strength of his will a lot...he thinks if he WILLS himself to stay away from Nandini, wills himself to make her hate him, he will be able to do it...but he will realize that he is helpless cuz this is a matter of the heart, not mind.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#28

Originally posted by: -sylph-

You are Anu right???

I have always loved reading your takes, so happy to see you in these forum.

You are so right here, the trust is so fragile.
I do get why Manik pulled of this stint, but seeing her broken so bad and also he needs to know he cannot make her fall for Dhruv now when he is her true love, he needs to set Dhruv free, he needs to tell truth to Dhruv and make him face it and he himself needs to learn that he cannot take decisions for others..
Same way i do get why Nandu believed his monster side soon, but had she trusted him enough it should have struck her somewhere , she has seen his humane side way too many times and that was not a lie, him saving Rishab, his loyalty towards fab5 and care ,love for them, him saving her a few times , the moments she spent with him where he dint put up the facade of being the monster, she known his vulnerable state.. May be Nandu still needs better understanding of Manik , she has not known him properly yet that is why she was so easily convinced on his act.. He almost pleaded indirectly if she can stop him, it was not the moment where she could think about all those, but i do want her to ponder over all these and some where feel that this aint the Manik she has come to understand , she needs to fight for her love she cannot just let it go..

Both Manik and Nandini have growing up to do, trust a better understanding needs to be built from both ends..

Wonderful post Anu👏.. Makes me think from both the sides so well now..
yest i was way too pissed with Manik's act, but the growing up is needed for both here..


Hey thanks :-) Yes I'm Anu...

@bold: Exactly...there have been plenty of incidences where Manik's humane side has been shown...and post that it's Nandu's who's run after him to thank him, feel sorry etc. etc...he tried to push her away back then also but Nandu doggedly ran after him, fate had other plans...

I don't lay the responsibility on Nandu to have to fight for both of them...Manik needs to rebuild what he has shattered now...but yes, I would like to see Nandu get more thoughtful on this front after a few days and notice the inconsistencies in Manik's claim of revenge.
Edited by AreYaar - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#29
The lectures of "True love" and "Trust" 😆
What Manik is doing can't be his true love. Period.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Agree with the TM about young love and its fragilities, indeed well expressed. But I wouldn't highlight or make Nandu's trust (or lack thereof like the TM says) the sole example to describe young love etc. Agreed that Nandu's trust was shaken and Manik's attempt succeeded but didn't Manik's Love and his own belief in his Love (let alone trust) for Nandini fell short in the first place itself? His love fell weak due to which he resorted to the sacrifice melodrama.

Does anybody remember when DHruv came and confessed his love for Nandini to Manik, forget 5minutes, MAnik was so "brave and strong" that he didn't have to wait even 2minutes before he started saying (symbolically) about "tu Pehle batata tou mai Pehle hee chala jata". <<< So the love and trust which was Manik's due from Nandini, the same was also due to Nandini from Manik. The "great act sacrifice of love" which didn't take even 2mins of Manik's time to decide deserved not that much trust that Nandini showed when he humiliated her most cheaply.

Manik still continues to fall short of the trust that Nandini gave him by assuming that pushing DHruv to console Nandini would win DHruv Nandu's love. So even though he has had one day now to get used to the "shock" of Dhruv's confession, he is still quite lame enough to term winning Nandini's love as "easy"

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