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Nabakov_Musings

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Posted: 10 years ago

#21

Originally posted by: charminggenie
Cabir doesn't know about the pill popping as well, yet we sympathize with his life ,relate and want to see his relationship mess. Does that mean , he is neglecting hsi friends and his scenes are dis-connected too?
So if Cabir even with a spiraling Mukti around can grieve and be with love than why cannot Manik explore his relationship. Alya who isaware of the pill popping , is spending and grooming Dhruv who is clueless about everything else. Alya did drop everything when she saw the extent of Mukti's spiraling, she wants to handle it on her own.

Where has Manik discarded fab5 or dispatched them from his priority list. As far as Mukti is concerned , he is clueless like almost everyone . With Cabir , he shouted at the object of his affection when he panicked that Cabir's secret was out , he left Nandu the moment he heard about Raghav and even when he was playing with the dupatta , he explained how he is boggled by Cabir's problem . Silly would be if he has continued being with Nandu even after knowing about Raghav, which he didn't . So I really don't see the point of him not being the home or kicking his friends down the priority list.

As a viewer , it might seem more of unfortunate timing that just when Manik has his own space , his priorities and his friends are spiraling. But that is what makes it a compelling story . The moment he does something so mundane like romance his girl, his friends need his attention , I thought that was the crux of his story and struggle.

This post wasnt even about Manik , you made it all about Manik for the reason I dont want to waste my energy in arguing about it seriously. I dont have anything against manik but can you at least stick to the topic if nothing else. i wrote whatever i had to write in my comments about the ill timing and screen play. I think I also wrote that in general everyone is slowly stopping in considering each other their refuge and the root of fab 5 in what they were believed to be is fading. Why make it about Manik when its not about Manik i dont understand. do it in a manik topic then . put your overt defenses and overt love regarding him there, this topic isnt about him .this is the problem with this forum i have also seen in past topics . one word against manik everyone comes to defend him with accolades of essays or starts chiding them for their preference only cause they said something regarding Manik. anyway. this topic wasnt really about him so i dont wanna talk about him anymore. I found the screen play ill timed today. as simple as that. and KYY is not entirely Maniks story- its the story of friendship mainly , and friendship cant include one character.

Edited by .AbhIyalicious. - 10 years ago

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charminggenie

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Posted: 10 years ago

#22

@Tm. Peace.

I took your illustration about Manik playing with dupatta and how it was jarring . Which to me didn't make sense. Because to me that is what holds the screenplay together. If you read between lines,I am defending cvs for actually showing us each individual of fab5 in their own space while a bigger threat is looming.

Now to your answer in broad terms all fab5 have individual equations running around. Some are happy, sad, mundane , yet when it comes to them knowing about each other's misery they drop everything and run to save their home. So I really didn't get your argument about the ill-timing .

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Nabakov_Musings

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Originally posted by: charminggenie
@Tm. Peace.
I took your illustration about Manik playing with dupatta and how it was jarring . Which to me didn't make sense. Because to me that is what holds the screenplay together. If you read between lines,I am defending cvs for actually showing us each individual of fab5 in their own space while a bigger threat is looming.

Now to your answer in broad terms all fab5 have individual equations running around. Some are happy, sad, mundane , yet when it comes to them knowing about each other's misery they drop everything and run to save their home. So I really didn't get your argument about the ill-timing .

for me it was ill timed. i cant take one yaar pill popping and another one obliviously doing typical frivolous romantic things..maybe thats appealing for people for its reality but for me its nail biting and heart sinking cause i can see the sad irony while they cant...similarly how god can the irony of our and our yaars' lives but we cant..makes sense?

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charminggenie

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Posted: 10 years ago

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@TM - But thats life right. We think it's silly and frivolous when one friend is engrossed in romance, though unknown about spiraling of his friend while another equally clueless friend is going through a heart-break , gets our sympathizes. It's our angst as a viewer , because unlike the character we are watching it from all angles. But if we look from individual perspectives it makes sense. We cannot stop narration of one character at the expense of another. The climax is when all individual stories merge at one focal point .

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Posted: 10 years ago

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@OP-Sorry, but disagreeing with what you wrote about the ill-timing thing is also our preference, no? We are also free to agree or disagree. I didn't think it was ill-timed and I said so. How exactly is that being defensive? Manik is brought into the discussion because you mentioned that ill-timing regarding Manik and Nandini. Dhruv and Alya are similarly living in their happy bubble while others are undergoing pain. But that's how life is. and about the fading Fab-5 bond, that is a necessary evil IMO, so hitherto, I understand.

And of course KY2 is not Manik's story, hence the simultaneous bad-good tracks for everyone. I disagreed with what you called ill-timing and nothing else. Like you felt the timing was all wrong, others felt it was right. That's the whole point of a discussion. I am not saying your preference is wrong. I am just saying what I feel.

This idea of ill-timing is more of a personal preference than anything, so some people will obviously disagree with this.

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sourmisery

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Posted: 10 years ago

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What was so ill-timed about the script?

This has been the focus of the story hamesha se. Fab5 and their bond. A bond which is fading now, not disappeared, because Fab5 bhale kuch bhi ho, at the end of the day they are individuals with share of their own secrets which they don't want anyone to tell. We've seen this shuru se hi.
Alya did the goons thing, didn't tell her friends, only spoke about it when things were going out of her hands. Cabir ka secret has been in focus for 20+ episodes now.

Timing in life is hamesha wrong, sahi kab hoti hai? Fab5 are forgetting their home, their mirrors, because they know that what their individual BS is will shatter the illusion of perfect sanctuary that they've created. Cabir only came out because he had no choice. Manik saw everything and made him blurt it out, for his own good. Alya has also caught Mukti red-handed but Mukti is plainly avoiding stuff from her friends. This isn't the script's flaw but it's brilliancy. That characters are acting as individuals, not some perfect puppets who chant dosti ka naara every second of the day.

And since you compared Cabir/Mukti's downfall to MaNan's growing proximity, why is MaNan all wrong and Dhruv-Alya alright? Because Dhruv and Alya belong to the same group? Dhruv talking to Alya about his crush and Alya helping her is all sweet and cute. Manik telling Nandini that she's beautiful as the stars and that she changes him, wo sab galat? Ye kaisa logic hai?

I'll talk about myself personally. I have the strongest bunch of friends but some things I don't share with them. I lock them from within and give them a "sab theek hai" wala look while I am dying inside. Because some things are just not for them to know. I am not comfortable sharing them because those things are for me to experience. Unless I confront them, acknowledge them, accept that I need help; I won't say a word. That's what Nandini said once. Unless we don't come to term with our changes, we can't really share them. Mukti & Cabir, they haven't come to term with their own feelings yet, how are they supposed to share them? Stories have ups and downs. This is Fab5's story. If we see them facing a issue in one episode, fixing it in the next, then by the third "happy ever after" will come on screen and chalo ji, qissa khatam. This is their downward, this individuality that is overpowering their strength as a group. When they'll come to term with their individuality, accept it, talk about it..only THEN they can strengthen as group which is basically what the premise of the show is all about.

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Nabakov_Musings

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Posted: 10 years ago

#27

Originally posted by: charminggenie
@TM - But thats life right. We think it's silly and frivolous when one friend is engrossed in romance, though unknown about spiraling of his friend while another equally clueless friend is going through a heart-break , gets our sympathizes. It's our angst as a viewer , because unlike the character we are watching it from all angles. But if we look from individual perspectives it makes sense. We cannot stop narration of one character at the expense of another. The climax is when all individual stories merge at one focal point .

hmm thats true.

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Nabakov_Musings

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Originally posted by: Star_girl
@OP-Sorry, but disagreeing with what you wrote about the ill-timing thing is also our preference, no? We are also free to agree or disagree. I didn't think it was ill-timed and I said so. How exactly is that being defensive? Manik is brought into the discussion because you mentioned that ill-timing regarding Manik and Nandini. Dhruv and Alya are similarly living in their happy bubble while others are undergoing pain. But that's how life is. and about the fading Fab-5 bond, that is a necessary evil IMO, so hitherto, I understand.
And of course KY2 is not Manik's story, hence the simultaneous bad-good tracks for everyone. I disagreed with what you called ill-timing and nothing else. Like you felt the timing was all wrong, others felt it was right. That's the whole point of a discussion. I am not saying your preference is wrong. I am just saying what I feel.

i know but that was never a part of my topic , it was a part of my comments and that being the focal point of so many comments instead of the topic at hand is what baffles me.

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myvoiz

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Posted: 10 years ago

#29

How can love be wrong?: my take

Love as an emotion is not wrong. But people's perception of love can be wrong.(and this perception varies from person to person.) Love may not be wrong. But our actions in love, the way we behave can be wrong. The feeling of love may not be wrong but relationships may go wrong. Love may not be wrong but you the person you fall for may be wrong(ie not right for you). Love cannot be wrong. But the results of our actions in love may be wrong.(the results of unrequited love can be wrong). Loving your partner but not loving yourself I(and taking their tortures if any)at all is wrong. The feeling is not wrong but if someone gets hurt badly coz of this feeling, that is wrong. Thinking only about the person you are romantically inclined towards( no matter how that bad that person behaves with you) and not caring about the people who actually have loved you till date(like friends, family) and can do anything to see you smile is wrong. With the end result being wrong you end up thinking or questioning 'is the emotion love wrong'. But the emotion love is not wrong in itself. Its the most positve emotion in the world when its perceived and understood and lived right. if its bringing positve changes in you, inspiring you to get better than you already are, helping you grow and making you secure,content,settled and more at peace with life and you become more caring,good and humane towards others, then its Love. But in case your loved one is being taken away from you, then I also don't know what is right or what is wrong.

I dont feel that love is unconditional. If any form of unconditional love exists at some level, then its the love that we share with our family. Love between a parent/grandparents and child, love between siblings. This is one thing that usually doesnt change. And if one's romantic relationships grows to find even 70-75% of this kind of love, then you are just blessed. Otherwise, affection in a romantic relationship always needs reciprocation and if it stays unrequited, then that feeling is gonna fade away or die or you will look for it somewhere else. Coz every romantic heart needs love in this world.And if it knows how to adore someone, it will always ask back to be adored and made to feel special. That's just how it is.

oh kitna lamba ho gaya. sorrryyy for that gals.

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Originally posted by: .AbhIyalicious.
👏 you put it much more politely than me. mein shout karna aur gaali dene jaa rhai thi isi liye i stopped the sentence at four words. 😛😆

Don''t u remember what Niti said, "new things shock you. if you accept it it will not bother you". But acceptance of new things will take time. And every person is different so they will take their own time to accept it. For so many years now, majority did not even know about the existence of the possibility of anything other than heterosexual relationships. And that too is taboo at so many places-girl guy falling for each other at their own free will. Then to isme kitna time lagega aur. Besides you can't even blame someone for not accepting something within our time-frame as long as their ideology is not leading to torturing and making life hell of those who want to live differently. So its gonna take time and besides a lot of other factors also govern its acceptance or non-acceptance. ok please tell me what's the difference between getting used to something and accepting something? Have we got used to it or have we accepted it?Or is it the same? I am confused? Media has given a lot of exposure to homosexuality so now we are aware and

comfortable with its existence but witnessing an actual serious love story or relationship on screen, this is a first. Abhi to, i still shy away from watching intimacy or really bold scenes between girl and guy itself(specially if your family is around), then gay love story will take time. Its not about right or wrong. But getting used to something that is new and not that common does take time. only difference that a flexible and open mind will get used to and accept it faster. Right or wrong. i don't have any opinion about the morality of it . What i know is not wrong is a person wanting to live their life in their own way as long they don't hurt themselves or others . I feel actually bad when i see that Raghav and Cabir have to live in so much fear when they are not hurting anyone and want to live in a particular way. Coz who are we actually to tell someone what to do or what not to do as long as we are not getting affected by it. We don't have that right. Only friends, family and people getting affected by someone's choices have that right. And big deal yaar, romantic relationships-heterosexual or homosexual, your love life is just one aspect of your life. It is not your entire life. It is not your identity. There are other and much more important aspects to your life and much more that makes your identity and defines you.

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