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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: myvoiz


Don''t u remember what Niti said, "new things shock you. if you accept it it will not bother you". But acceptance of new things will take time. And every person is different so they will take their own time to accept it. For so many years now, majority did not even know about the existence of the possibility of anything other than heterosexual relationships. And that too is taboo at so many places-girl guy falling for each other at their own free will. Then to isme kitna time lagega aur. Besides you can't even blame someone for not accepting something within our time-frame as long as their ideology is not leading to torturing and making life hell of those who want to live differently. So its gonna take time and besides a lot of other factors also govern its acceptance or non-acceptance. ok please tell me what's the difference between getting used to something and accepting something? Have we got used to it or have we accepted it?Or is it the same? I am confused? Media has given a lot of exposure to homosexuality so now we are aware and
comfortable with its existence but witnessing an actual serious love story or relationship on screen, this is a first. Abhi to, i still shy away from watching intimacy or really bold scenes between girl and guy itself(specially if your family is around), then gay love story will take time. Its not about right or wrong. But getting used to something that is new and not that common does take time. only difference that a flexible and open mind will get used to and accept it faster. Right or wrong. i don't have any opinion about the morality of it . What i know is not wrong is a person wanting to live their life in their own way as long they don't hurt themselves or others . I feel actually bad when i see that Raghav and Cabir have to live in so much fear when they are not hurting anyone and want to live in a particular way. Coz who are we actually to tell someone what to do or what not to do as long as we are not getting affected by it. We don't have that right. Only friends, family and people getting affected by someone's choices have that right. And big deal yaar, romantic relationships-heterosexual or homosexual, your love life is just one aspect of your life. It is not your entire life. It is not your identity. There are other and much more important aspects to your life and much more that makes your identity and defines you.

I totally agree with u.. we cant make someone accept something. As far as I am concerned i don't think that I would ever get comfortable about watching homosexual relationships. there is many factors around me which brought up this uncomfortability . first one being my religion. my religion is very strict when it comes to homosexuality and banned it in every way and its projected as a sin. The second one being the social environment around me.. I have never been came across a homosexual in my life and I really wonder is there any in my place. so i dont think i wld ever get comfortable watching ragbir scenes.it really get awkward whenever i see their scenes. no offence to homosexuals.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@TM you think Manik fans defend him too much right?If Manik gets bashed for his each and every action then its obvious for his fans to get defensive..you are new to the forum I guess..its only now that finally Manik fans are bound to open their mouth..we have heard enough of alligations,cririsizing and bshing even the Real actor not just the character..ATs have been dedicated to bash a certain Manik Malhotra...so just looka round you and you will find the exact reason why some fans are being defensive



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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: .AbhIyalicious.

Im sorry im pretty sure people have posted about this but THIS LINE. It just gave me so much. My heart drooped , melted , reacted , felt like it was going to sink. True. How can it be wrong? Afterall , it blurs human made boundaries.How can it possibly be wrong. *Sigh* I cried with Cabir today. A lot is happening. I wanna write a little about Mukti too. You know the way Mukti looked at Hrshad and the tears that immediately caught her eyes , the way Charlie portrayed it was spot on and beautiful. It hurt my heart seeing her that way. Hopefully Alya is gonna get her out of those pills. She's hallucinating Harshi now. Fab 5 need each other desperately right now. They are each other's home yaar. Why are they hiding from their mirrors , their reflections , their homes. I just don't understand and yet understand where they are coming from . But its like the weight of each individual's problems in their life is making them forget the strength they have as a group , and as long as I remember that is not fab 5. They come to each other every time they have individual problems to find shelter in a collective manner , in a group. Suddenly the root of what they are is fading away in its importance. Also , somewhere I find the timing of everything wrong. Just when Cabir and Mukti are going through so much , you have MaNan already realizing and almost confessing what they have.I dont know i just think that it's not the right time amidst all that is happening you know. The only beam of light within the dark shadows of what everyone in fab 5 is going through, is Dhruv and Alya. They really lighten up my emotionally driven heart due to what is happening with Cabir , and Mukti. So symbolic how he called Alya beautiful before he could say that to his puppy crush, Nandu, and that also cause he couldn't see the hurt and resentment on her face for Manik. Dhruv Alya need each other.Moreover it's meant to be and I don't care what people say , I love them together , as friends and as possibly more in future. 😊

But seriously food for thought , so many times in our life we fall for people who we think, who people around us think is not meant for us and we ignore that feeling inside us for them, even though it bleeds our hearts.So many people do that.I have done that. But Cabir's innocent and desperate question does make us think ,doesn't it?Banda yaa bandi jo bhi hai jaisi bhi hai..how can an emotion like love ever be wrong?


@Bold and in Black,

I was done stating my opinion before I read where you mentioned how we flock around to defend Manik .

Read the highlighted lines of your own post, see the hypocrisy which we have been calling out upon. Manik's feelings which have been building since day 1 is regarding as frivolous, unnecessary and ill-timed . Even though he has been constantly being the only one who has been for Cabir in all his worries or has been protecting/.covering the group since long. While you give clean signal to Alya and Dhruv who have not even realized what they want. I like Alya and Dhruv together as friends for now because they are being their individual self together, are they ready for any relationship? No because there is much to grow up for them as well . Alya who though growing beautifully away from her bubble, kept a secret that might not save Mukti on time. So she still has a long way to go as far as being mature is concerned. Dhruv constantly needs guidance , he is still on a shaky wicket, so should he also give up on his individual space and just relegate back in the gloomy back?

You just said Manik basically has no right to live his individuality and personal life , while Cabir, Mukti , Alya and Dhruv are free to do so? Cabir is settling his new equation privately as he should, there are things he need to understand and realize before he can confine in fab5 . Except Mukti who basically has not even realized what is happening to her , all of them needs this time apart to figure themselves and what they want.

Should Cabir stop loving or being with Raghav, hey because , Mukti is pill popping or should just be the joker like in the past who faked his feelings and new emotions behind the mask? If as I feel you would rightly disagree with it, then why isolate any other character too.

Does being individuals prohibit their growth as a group or disrupt their bonding - Nope. They were using bullying to cover up their vulnerabilities when they were together which made them a bit toxic, now is their time to face their own issues and fight for themselves . This does mean when one of them will be down and out , they will forget everything and rush to protect each other.

You made an accusation basically mentioning how we made this topic all about Manik, probably the lines you wrote yourself seemed like a blur now.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: myvoiz


Don''t u remember what Niti said, "new things shock you. if you accept it it will not bother you". But acceptance of new things will take time. And every person is different so they will take their own time to accept it. For so many years now, majority did not even know about the existence of the possibility of anything other than heterosexual relationships. And that too is taboo at so many places-girl guy falling for each other at their own free will. Then to isme kitna time lagega aur. Besides you can't even blame someone for not accepting something within our time-frame as long as their ideology is not leading to torturing and making life hell of those who want to live differently. So its gonna take time and besides a lot of other factors also govern its acceptance or non-acceptance. ok please tell me what's the difference between getting used to something and accepting something? Have we got used to it or have we accepted it?Or is it the same? I am confused? Media has given a lot of exposure to homosexuality so now we are aware and
comfortable with its existence but witnessing an actual serious love story or relationship on screen, this is a first. Abhi to, i still shy away from watching intimacy or really bold scenes between girl and guy itself(specially if your family is around), then gay love story will take time. Its not about right or wrong. But getting used to something that is new and not that common does take time. only difference that a flexible and open mind will get used to and accept it faster. Right or wrong. i don't have any opinion about the morality of it . What i know is not wrong is a person wanting to live their life in their own way as long they don't hurt themselves or others . I feel actually bad when i see that Raghav and Cabir have to live in so much fear when they are not hurting anyone and want to live in a particular way. Coz who are we actually to tell someone what to do or what not to do as long as we are not getting affected by it. We don't have that right. Only friends, family and people getting affected by someone's choices have that right. And big deal yaar, romantic relationships-heterosexual or homosexual, your love life is just one aspect of your life. It is not your entire life. It is not your identity. There are other and much more important aspects to your life and much more that makes your identity and defines you.



yes i know lot of factors shape someone's opinion regarding anything why just this topic. Yes i know some people consider it as a sin. But once you go to colleges for higher education,or your social environment changes or it gets more media exposure your opinions might change. Times are changing and this will change too. I was a bit uncomfortable only during the kiss scene. But that also they did not actually show the complete thing. But i am not uncomfortable with the notion coz they are no different yaar. people like you and me. really normal people just like everyone else. They also have friends, siblings,families and go through the same emotion like everyone else. Its just that they have different choices when it comes to romancing someone. That's why i said that love life is just one aspect of your life. Being straight/gay is not one's identity. Its just an aspect of someone who is human and normal like everybody else. So we can't put them in a different category. But since it's something that relatively recent in lndia, acceptance might take time.But things have already changed a lot. Awareness has increased so much. Again when i say the word acceptance, i question myself again as to who am I to accept or reject somebody's else's life choices.
Coming back to the show i have also seen gay stories in hollywood movies and American televison. Then I did not feel uncomfortable at all. Why only in hindi serials this kiss felt unusual I don't know. I was thinking if they had taken actual gay actors, then it would have felt more real.maybe dunno. Till now i had only seen either comic potrayal of gays in hindi movies and serials, but watching Raghav and Cabir serious romantic relationship, i felt sensitive towards their emotional turmoil. They live in fear, are not able to live the way they want to. And nobody should live in fear. They should not have to face discrimination on any account.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: .AbhIyalicious.

I mean ill timing . i dont visually like to see wrong timing i guess when you know more about characters than the characters know about each other... its too nail biting , but yes its very ill timed.


It is bad-timing. Bad timing for Manik. Its always been bad-timing for him. He can't even have a uninterrupted eye-lock with Nandu(without Alya charging at him when the doors to the locked store room opened, without worrying about Dhruv every now and then right from the Cafe scene(but atleast thanks to Dhruv for being the reason that they got to meet until Diwali), he can't have Nandu in his room to himself(without Cabir coming to talk about his secret or Mukti barging in), he can't have a proper romantic mud fight wid Nandu (without worrying about Harshad following Cabir to know his secret),he can't even let Nandu kiss her(without knowing that she is not drunk), he can't even tease Nandu properly(without worrying about who spiked the drink and for whom), he can't even have a normal conversation with Nandu(without shouting at her coz again he is worried about Cabir's secret coming out), he can't even kiss Nandu in the most romantic setting under a starry lit ceiling(without Alya's name cropping up-Agar Alya nahin, to uska naam hi kafi hai unka romance rokne ke liye. dear god, really!), he can't even have play with Nandu's dupatta, laugh after ages, have a sweet,romantic normal convo(without worrying about why Cabir's partner is not coming out and how's its affecting him), he can't even find uninteruppted solace in her after seeing his friend breaking down(with now Rishab and Dhruv getting attacks together.) Seriously it has been nothing but bad bad timing for Manik. His romantic journey has always been interrupted by his friends, his worries for his friends and their problems.

But now to see it from another angle. Every incident, every interruption, every action by his friends or enemies or any other character in the show has acted as catalyst for Nandini's and Manik's love story. It makes them cross their paths again and again, confide in each other about their woes, their feelings, their worries. Every event that has happened in the lives of the people around them have taken their story one step forward by bringing them more closer physically, emotionally and maybe spiritually at some level. So everyone else has been a catalyst, Has there been no problems in his friend's lives, or Rishab's life, or Harshad's life or even Navya to begin with(she was the one whom Nandu helped which made her have her first words with Manik. So believe it or not. Everyone has been just acting as catalysts to bring these two closer,besides telling their own stories too. In the absence of all their friends' lives' problems(whether Manik's or Nandu's loved ones) how would they have met, what would they have talked about, how would have they got closer. Then it might have become another cliche love -story. By now I have understood that this is a different show and everything that happens in the story only takes the story forward and lets the characters progress. So this bad-timing have had its purpose too and is serving that purpose well i suppose.😉
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Now matter how close you are to your friends, no matter how much you feel for their joys and sorrows, no matter that you are the bestest of friends, no matter that you feel that friends are your life, but the truth is they are actually of a part of each other's lives and they have their own individual lives to lead. You might feel devasted for them but you still have to live your own life. At one point you might not be able to imagine your life without your closest friends, but if you have your own life to live, your life will move on even without them and so will theirs without you. For better or for worse that i can't predict. but life does move on.(unless you were all alone and friends were all you had in your life).Friends are like-family, but family is family. Family's woes, their angst has the abiltiy to stop your world coz they are your world.
Back to the show-Manik did not have anyone but his friends. Alya and Harshad had each other,Dhruv has his mom who seems to worry and care about him from what we have seen. Mukti also has a mom. Cabir has a wonderful mom. But Manik who did he have but friends. I don't know what he has in the name of Mom. really. But now Manik has someone else coming into his life other than his friends, a new emotion, a new feeling, something so deep and different that he has not felt before, something that doesn't make him feel lonely emotionally, something that he could not resist, something that will keep pulling him. The more problems he gets surrounded with, the more he will look for solace and comfort and now that his search for the same has ended and he knows where to find it, he will go there. The more complicated things get, the more he will look for normalcy and again there is only one person he is able to find that normalcy with. Now he knows that he doesnt have to be lonely. There is someone who understands him. (that what happens in real lives). But don't know what will happen in this reel-life. Don't know where their love story will go. uphill, downhill or both?
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: myvoiz


Don''t u remember what Niti said, "new things shock you. if you accept it it will not bother you". But acceptance of new things will take time. And every person is different so they will take their own time to accept it. For so many years now, majority did not even know about the existence of the possibility of anything other than heterosexual relationships. And that too is taboo at so many places-girl guy falling for each other at their own free will. Then to isme kitna time lagega aur. Besides you can't even blame someone for not accepting something within our time-frame as long as their ideology is not leading to torturing and making life hell of those who want to live differently. So its gonna take time and besides a lot of other factors also govern its acceptance or non-acceptance. ok please tell me what's the difference between getting used to something and accepting something? Have we got used to it or have we accepted it?Or is it the same? I am confused? Media has given a lot of exposure to homosexuality so now we are aware and
comfortable with its existence but witnessing an actual serious love story or relationship on screen, this is a first. Abhi to, i still shy away from watching intimacy or really bold scenes between girl and guy itself(specially if your family is around), then gay love story will take time. Its not about right or wrong. But getting used to something that is new and not that common does take time. only difference that a flexible and open mind will get used to and accept it faster. Right or wrong. i don't have any opinion about the morality of it . What i know is not wrong is a person wanting to live their life in their own way as long they don't hurt themselves or others . I feel actually bad when i see that Raghav and Cabir have to live in so much fear when they are not hurting anyone and want to live in a particular way. Coz who are we actually to tell someone what to do or what not to do as long as we are not getting affected by it. We don't have that right. Only friends, family and people getting affected by someone's choices have that right. And big deal yaar, romantic relationships-heterosexual or homosexual, your love life is just one aspect of your life. It is not your entire life. It is not your identity. There are other and much more important aspects to your life and much more that makes your identity and defines you.

I am not blaming anyone. I myself somehow cannot tolerate people who cannot accept people to live and love and breathe in their own rights.As simple as that.
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Originally posted by: charminggenie


@Bold and in Black,

I was done stating my opinion before I read where you mentioned how we flock around to defend Manik .

Read the highlighted lines of your own post, see the hypocrisy which we have been calling out upon. Manik's feelings which have been building since day 1 is regarding as frivolous, unnecessary and ill-timed . Even though he has been constantly being the only one who has been for Cabir in all his worries or has been protecting/.covering the group since long. While you give clean signal to Alya and Dhruv who have not even realized what they want. I like Alya and Dhruv together as friends for now because they are being their individual self together, are they ready for any relationship? No because there is much to grow up for them as well . Alya who though growing beautifully away from her bubble, kept a secret that might not save Mukti on time. So she still has a long way to go as far as being mature is concerned. Dhruv constantly needs guidance , he is still on a shaky wicket, so should he also give up on his individual space and just relegate back in the gloomy back?

okay. let me say this for the last time. I dont have a problem with their relationship blooming midst everything , I had a problem wih he way the screenplay today was partricularly timed regarding the scene. They are i dont know , in my opinion also too old to do the catching and running dupatta thing which I know is done in plenty shows and movies but that does not mean I like it , I find it immature but anyway its indian tv I get it, having such a scene against such serious issues happening to others I felt was the lack of sensitivity on the cvs part regarding the screenplay. I have said this plenty a times before but I dont understand why for one character i have to constantly defend my opinion and justify when you guys ar generalizing my views and making something else. So yes I will call that overtly defensive. Manik ke baarey ek bhi bhool why cant we write? If we have a problem we will...this is a free place.No character is perfect.This was not even about them it was about the scene timing. The reason I have no problem with Dhruv Alyas progression is because just like you said , they have no idea in itself that it is happening which makes it all the more beautiful cause midst teir current and future heartbreaks they unknowingly have stumbled upon each other for support or shelter. Thats what I meant.

You just said Manik basically has no right to live his individuality and personal life , while Cabir, Mukti , Alya and Dhruv are free to do so? Cabir is settling his new equation privately as he should, there are things he need to understand and realize before he can confine in fab5 . Except Mukti who basically has not even realized what is happening to her , all of them needs this time apart to figure themselves and what they want.

I never said that , you thought I said that. I never stated or believed that he has no right to live. Its smiply your assumption of my opinion. Mukti somewhat knows what she is getting herself into but she canot find any other escape either , it is a helpless situation for her. she feels suffocated and pills only feel like a solution to her , which is obviously wrong.

Should Cabir stop loving or being with Raghav, hey because , Mukti is pill popping or should just be the joker like in the past who faked his feelings and new emotions behind the mask? If as I feel you would rightly disagree with it, then why isolate any other character too.

I never said Manik should stop loving. I didnt mean that even. Anyway.

Does being individuals prohibit their growth as a group or disrupt their bonding - Nope. They were using bullying to cover up their vulnerabilities when they were together which made them a bit toxic, now is their time to face their own issues and fight for themselves . This does mean when one of them will be down and out , they will forget everything and rush to protect each other.

You made an accusation basically mentioning how we made this topic all about Manik, probably the lines you wrote yourself seemed like a blur now.
I made an accusation because whatever my topic was became solely about Manik in the comments , I have a right to be irritated o one point being blown out of the proportion.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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So, lets us just STOP right here about ANYTHING regarding Manik. Please, can we just STOP.
Yes Guys, STOP right there.

Let us all just stop talking about Manik when the topic is not about him. How about it?

Even I am not getting why we are discussing Manik here?
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This topic mentioned the lightness of a scene which in the topic-makers' opinion made no sense against the angst. The character was said to be playing around when the friends were spiraling. Especially when it quoted two other characters for doing well by being light , who are equally ignorant. The irony , of this irritation didn't make sense to me?
Personally, I don't think any story ever has one tone , be it book or a proper tv narration. There is a reason why Mukti's pill popping is the only incident which is unaware to almost all the fab5 members because it might pose as an element of surprise for the story. No friend is at fault here especially when all of them are trying to sort about their individual spaces .

The lightness is for us viewers to realize what each one of these characters are poised to loose once shit hits the ceiling.

We were discussing the relevance of that particular scene when the accusation of defending a particular character was put forward.

I like this story and the handling of each and every character , so I really wanted to see the sense behind post.

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