Trying to understand Sona - Page 2

Originally posted by: mytinypaintings

I actually feel that start kids usually are pretty stupid its a very harsh thing to say but they hardly know the reality. Example Ananya Pandey's comment about her struggles on round table with Rajiv. Infact I believe celebrities live in an alternate world nothing about them looks real. For example even a stupid won't call her makeup a look in Chapak refering to Deepika here. When she was asked by Anupama Chopra how did she not think about vanity when going for such a role. She said she enjoyed the anonymity associated by this makeup. She even said the same thing in a video promoting Chapak. Children from priviledged backgrounds have very poor understanding grass root problems. Star kids actually are pretty selfish and Dumb too... I don't see a single star kid today making sense when they talk (barring a few exception here and there)

People living reel life do tend to mix it up with real life too. The entire bollywood when goes for mourning anywhere is in remarkable white clothes.....in real life have you seen such white mourning. They try to make their life cinemascope.

People no matter how accomplished they are at times seek constant approval from their families which they are denied. Families many times are unforgiving and some people who appear to be very accomplished in public life are actually failures when it comes to personal life and they have regrets deep in their hearts for this.

My only issue with the analyzation the OP's analysis is that I don't think writers think so deep when they sketch a character. We put effort into ttrying to understand them because we don't have a business angle associated with it but entertainment industry looks at it with the only perspective of tRPs and box office. I think OP also knows this.

Stupid toh Sonakshi bhi hai. But being delusional is the problem. But she addresses media well. Whether at the initial launch at Sippy hospital or wedding track. She has been shown smart there.

1. Ananya maybe stupid but see the number if films she has; the company she keeps; that is street smart. Or as you can say 'chalu'. She knows how to suck up. Shez just a pampered princess without brains.

2. Do you think Deepika or Ananya will leave their career for their husband?

3. U feel Deepika will let her saas or sasur make her sign a pre-nup in their favour? Nd then quit her job.

4. Will Deepika sit quietly n let ppl blame her for a murder n still be like, omg mera pati. And take manhandling from Ranveer?

5. Has DP started wearing only sarees?

Your points are valid but totally unrelated to the kind of ridiculous things Sonakshi is doing.

Star kids' issue stems from not knowing to let their biases show. DP revealed that for her Chapak was just a film, so it was makeup. Ananya is ignorant of the real problems that ppl face. She has been going on foreign holidays since she was formed. So her comparison is with Suhana. Not with a Nawazuddin Siddiqui who used to sleep on platforms coz he had no money. And its not like she doesnt know that poor people live on the street with no guarantee of even one meal a day. She chooses to be dumb about it. Tomorrow she will learn to say the right things but mindset wahi rahega. This is lack of empathy, which CVs have made sure Sona doesnt have.

PS: I am very clinically arguing the points. Do not consider this a personal attack. Ppl tend to misconstrue comments. So just a heads up. This is just a discussion for me where we are analysing points from our own point of views.

Originally posted by: togepe30

Where did stealing come from?

Her earning capacity and popularity gives her financial security and a status in the society, which is not dependent on her husband or parents.

These traits give you a lot of validation in society.

So that level of approval seeking n door mat behaviour is weird. She is an entity in her own right and has said multiple times that she is not dependent on any1 financially. Ppl who have been hurt in life are always more conscious abt trusting ppl. So sudden overwhelming love for the family who has time and again questioned her intentions is weird.

@Stealing: these industrial giants are money mad. The richest people are the most petty and kanjoos.

You are connecting financial independence with emotional independence. Both these things are not interdependent. For example Zeenat Aman was a far better accomplished actor that Mazhar Khan but she endured domestic violence and abuse for a long time why? There are ample examples of such behaviours from women in all walks of life. Aishwarya Rai was an entity when she had to face the Salman Khan mess. Women when are accomplished they try to make their marriages work even at a far greater personal cost than women who are unaccomplished financially. It is a known fact. Emotional independence and stability is a trait that largely depends on one's life experiences not on finances.

Originally posted by: mytinypaintings

My only issue with the analyzation the OP's analysis is that I don't think writers think so deep when they sketch a character. We put effort into ttrying to understand them because we don't have a business angle associated with it but entertainment industry looks at it with the only perspective of tRPs and box office. I think OP also knows this.

Which means its a lose and inconsistent characterization. Isiliye toh we are facing so many issues with things these ppl so. They are trying to stretch the storyline.

This is why webseries are better contentwise coz they stick to the limited episodes n storyline.

While discussing a character we cant halt the discussion saying CVs ne itna socha nahi hoga. Phir to discussion ka koi point nahi hoga na. 1 line me hi khatam hojayega discussion.

Sochna chahiye tha unko. But again. Money over content. Also I believe the show changed hands, so thats even worse.

Originally posted by: togepe30

Where did stealing come from?

Her earning capacity and popularity gives her financial security and a status in the society, which is not dependent on her husband or parents.

These traits give you a lot of validation in society.

So that level of approval seeking n door mat behaviour is weird. She is an entity in her own right and has said multiple times that she is not dependent on any1 financially. Ppl who have been hurt in life are always more conscious abt trusting ppl. So sudden overwhelming love for the family who has time and again questioned her intentions is weird.

@Stealing: these industrial giants are money mad. The richest people are the most petty and kanjoos.

To give an example of how much you earn, and the person you are, doesn't have a direct correlation.

To give a parallel to Sona earning in lakhs for day and constantly seeking validation from others in the family cannot be correlated.

Yes, she definitely has the money. But money doesn't guarantee emotional security ... if you pick some of her dialogues, you'll find that she is either insecure / doesn't feel all too comfortable or confident due to her (lack of ) education and (not her choice) profession. When Naren asked her to quit, and she had that talk with Rohit, she mentioned Naren would have been proud of her if she was a police officer instead.

Originally posted by: togepe30

Stupid toh Sonakshi bhi hai. But being delusional is the problem. But she addresses media well. Whether at the initial launch at Sippy hospital or wedding track. She has been shown smart there.

1. Ananya maybe stupid but see the number if films she has; the company she keeps; that is street smart. Or as you can say 'chalu'. She knows how to suck up. Shez just a pampered princess without brains.

2. Do you think Deepika or Ananya will leave their career for their husband?

3. U feel Deepika will let her saas or sasur make her sign a pre-nup in their favour? Nd then quit her job.

4. Will Deepika sit quietly n let ppl blame her for a murder n still be like, omg mera pati. And take manhandling from Ranveer?

5. Has DP started wearing only sarees?

Your points are valid but totally unrelated to the kind of ridiculous things Sonakshi is doing.

Star kids' issue stems from not knowing to let their biases show. DP revealed that for her Chapak was just a film, so it was makeup. Ananya is ignorant of the real problems that ppl face. She has been going on foreign holidays since she was formed. So her comparison is with Suhana. Not with a Nawazuddin Siddiqui who used to sleep on platforms coz he had no money. And its not like she doesnt know that poor people live on the street with no guarantee of even one meal a day. She chooses to be dumb about it. Tomorrow she will learn to say the right things but mindset wahi rahega. This is lack of empathy, which CVs have made sure Sona doesnt have.

PS: I am very clinically arguing the points. Do not consider this a personal attack. Ppl tend to misconstrue comments. So just a heads up. This is just a discussion for me where we are analysing points from our own point of views.

You were no where personal and I am not taking it personally either. I agree Sonakshi is stupid. I have said that many times in many posts so yeah on that I agree.

Point number 1) Ananya may be stupid but her company is her privilege. Many actresses leave their careers after wedding. Many professionals leave their careers after wedding.

We would never know what Deepika would do on personal front more over Deepika is privileged she has Prakash Padukone as her father and she has married an actor that too works in her favor. Asin quit working after her marriage. Tina Munim quit working after her marriage, it depends how strong of a family one get into socially as well as financially when marrying a different profession. Sonakshi's quitting was actually in line with reality.

but your other points are bang on viz a viz Sonakshi. As I said she is tupid and it is hard to connect with her. Yet Op's points were quite possible to a large extent if we overlook a lot of things though.

Once again you were direct in your post but neither personal nor rude. There was no offence intended from your side and none taken on mine.

Originally posted by: mytinypaintings

You are connecting financial independence with emotional independence. Both these things are not interdependent. For example Zeenat Aman was a far better accomplished actor that Mazhar Khan but she endured domestic violence and abuse for a long time why? There are ample examples of such behaviours from women in all walks of life. Aishwarya Rai was an entity when she had to face the Salman Khan mess. Women when are accomplished they try to make their marriages work even at a far greater personal cost than women who are unaccomplished financially. It is a known fact. Emotional independence and stability is a trait that largely depends on one's life experiences not on finances.

Fair point.

But here Sonakshi is taking shit from the whole family. If it was just Rohit then you could say it was for love.

When Ajit says dnt compromise ur marriage coz of me, she says no my marriage is not that weak. R u for real? He is saying he doesnt need you to stick ur neck for him, then let him be. What is this forcefully helping others?

Also purane time me ppl used to keep quiet coz of the stigma of being a divorcee. Tina married into Ambani family n she found other things to do. Asin ka husband was very clear from Day 1 that he didnt want her to act. Also these actresses chose to do that, they were not arm twisted into it. Even Madhuri chose to quit after her marriage. Now we can argue we dont know why they really quit. But that is jst speculation.

Suman ne pehle hi bola tha she wud permit this shaadi only if Rohit lets her work after marriage.

Even Rati Agnihotri tolerated abuse. For her son. To there was a child involved.

Also Sonakshi is still in denial abt her quitting her job. Kal she said 'I earn my own money, I dont need anything'. Does she realize she has quit her job n is on notice?

Originally posted by: togepe30

Fair point.

But here Sonakshi is taking shit from the whole family. If it was just Rohit then you could say it was for love.

Also uss time me ppl used to keep quiet coz of the stigma of being a divorcee.

Even Rati Agnihotri tolerated abuse. For her son.

Also Sonakshi is still in denial abt her quitting her job. Kal she said 'I earn my own money, I dont need anything'. Does she realize she has quit her job n is on notice?

You know had I been in her place I would have never said 80 percent property dedo aur lelo divorce and then gone on to say all that doormat stuff. I would have said beta teen talak de nahi saktey aur main talak doongi nahi ab jao kar lo jo karna hai but kya hai ki SOnakshi se relate kar pana manushyon ka kam nahi hai. having said that some of her character aspects could be because of her previous life. Her desire to please every one and take that bahu number one trophy IRL can be very real but ofcourse her character is very flippant.

Originally posted by: if_mm

We can't equate the behavior with the earning capacity ... It's like thinking wealthy folks don't steal.

I agree she does constantly want to "belong" but no so close that she has to emotionally invest in the person. Also she doesn't seem to connect with Deepa / Tanya who are of her age ... She doesn't have friends, cousins while siblings, mother are also not close enough...

Its' probably tough for her to trust anyone due to her life events... coupled with a deep sense of "not being in a respectable profession" that she herself admitted to Rohit once ... Sona really needs help

She needs counseling asap

Originally posted by: mthiru

Hi nice analysis on Sona's traits. Agree with most.

After watching today's episode there are too many discrepancies in the characters that no one looked Scott free.

But can you explain why Sona finds to easier to share things with everyone other than Rohit? I was insulted second hand on behalf of Rohit when she confided everything to Sumith that happened today at SM and police station?? Come on how can you do that? Is indirectly says sona is presenting poor me and everyone MU me..

It was distasteful to see her discussing Rohit with Sumit. She lost me there!! Pls don't call this a friendship.. Could somewhat accept if it was Nethra.. Why the makers never show Rohit discussing about Sona and their problem with anyone? Maybe than what sona did would have looked normal.

Don't know why I find it offensive that time and again she Involved Sumit(others too) in their life decisions.. Job quitting, help with blackmailer, murder suspicion and what happened at her home..

Sona today was way outside of her character. She was neither the poor girl nor the strong woman...

Why the hell is she going after Rohit after that blasting she gave Rohit? Where is her self respect? The guy asking her to stay out of his life.. This is not love it's controlling and wishing everyone to fall accordingly

Does Sona every understand the meaning of giving space to people? What is the need to go after Rohit at the park? Also why ask him question like don't you really believe me...

In their fight sona uses all the manipulating emotional tricks in the book (the dialogue asking rohit to let her fall down the cliff!!!) to make him understand her POV is correct... Is it always about her? What about his pain?

Her dialouges with YK is the worst scene of KHKT for me?? Again she presents the poor MU girl?? How can she say according to Rohit she hurt him??? So still she doesn't get it that her decisions to lie/hide what hurt him the most and funny thing here told her also. But she continues to believe she is not wrong!!

Whatever her faults were Sona was never insensitive to others pain. So what happened to her sense of fairness when it comes to her husband???

As for Rohit his anger, to him love has always been about him &Sona.. Nobody else mattered. For him it began and end with sona. So he is angry with her for signing a document which primarily focus on him without giving him a chance to decide.

Sona still does that.. Making decision for what Rohit can handle and when, how hurt her will be...

On the show front it has lost its grip on the content.

😔

Personally it's only for Rohit character still watching this stupid show. Pls don't assume this is because of any favoritism no on the contrary he still is very much relatable. I am sure this will change soon enough.. Just like YK..

Sad if the spoiler are to believed (I think highly possible) they are going to destroy the bond between YK and Rohit. One more loss for Rohit.. Felt they started it today with that scene with sona, YK!!!

Nothing to look forward to in this show anyone . Just going along out of habit..

I totally agree. Honestly, I'm trying to make sense of Sona's behaviour as well. All your questions are very valid ....

1. Confiding in Sumit - Taking Raima along for choosing the ring did the same to me ... Sona confiding in side characters is a way they show her achchaai ... that her intentions are right ... and that eventually she will be thanked. But there is definitely something coming up where Rohit will misunderstand Sona and Sumit. With his strong views over infidelity and Sona taking help from Sumit for everything, we can look forward to a big face off due to a misunderstanding.

2. Continuing to believe she is not wrong - Beneath all her actions, I see a female who needs counselling. Her outbursts with Rohit were pure cry for help ...

3. Sona invading other's space - Be it Rohit as well ... it has happened so many times now. This extends to giving speeches, monologues, advise, "main aisa hone nahi doongi" etc.. Basically the makers wanted to show a strong female lead with an opnion, but ended up with a ever bothering individual ...

Initially, Sona was shown as a person with high EQ ... the makers have misunderstood what high EQ stands for. Frankly, it would have been easier if they had shown that Sona understands her insecurities and is trying to address them.

Originally posted by: mytinypaintings

You know had I been in her place I would have never said 80 percent property dedo aur lelo divorce and then gone on to say all that doormat stuff. I would have said beta teen talak de nahi saktey aur main talak doongi nahi ab jao kar lo jo karna hai but kya hai ki SOnakshi se relate kar pana manushyon ka kam nahi hai. having said that some of her character aspects could be because of her previous life. Her desire to please every one and take that bahu number one trophy IRL can be very real but ofcourse her character is very flippant.

Exactly.

Rohit said to her pehle hi. Ki you cannot keep 11 ppl happy.

I dunno what the CVs are smoking while writing this crappy script.