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Originally posted by: sp108

True that Sandhya. I owe it all to EK. In fact the politicians being discussed here would have been happy with EK's Akbar. And they would have loved the show to continue and show more degradation of Akbar, isn't it?

scrapping MEA track and bringing jai jodha track again was zee's idea..instead they could have shown at least some focus on akbar for a change..but no he was shown all weak and dependent on jodha yet again😕

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

I go with Chitterati here Mandy

As a society and country we are more tolerant than any other.

Political or religious reasons don't affect a mere serial. It is more of the heroine mahaanta formula of our sbs tele shows.

My only complaint is that Akbar could have been spared. This could have been any Raja Rani story.

Originally posted by: ghalibmirza

scrapping MEA track and bringing jai jodha track again was zee's idea..instead they could have shown at least some focus on akbar for a change..but no he was shown all weak and dependent on jodha yet again😕

Originally posted by: sp108

Well if it was Zee's decision to bring in Jodha centric tracks, it is Zee's decision to end the show as well. I hope Zee has learnt their lesson. I have learnt mine. Never to watch any historical made by EK.

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Mandy I completely agree with your post. ..This is too much to digest. .but dear trp increased by 0, 3...audience are to be blamed too. .

Originally posted by: elasingh

Mandy I completely agree with your post. ..This is too much to digest. .but dear trp increased by 0, 3...audience are to be blamed too. .

I guess old fans like me are curious to see how the show will end.

Appears to be a tempting discussion.
Wanted to make a few points here, before its late.
Will say everything in this comment only.!


1.
There is no political pressure to NOT show someone's achievements or TO show someone's achievements. Govt has many more important things to be sorted out. All the issue is the research and the CVs and the writers where the PH lacks right now. If anyone here has got a chance to interact with the writers and CVs then the issue will be clear. They are on FB and on Twiitter.

They make and extend tracks based on TRP's and not based on someone's religion. Majority of audience is the normal viewers & public and they are NOT interested in any sort of religious bias. It simply does not affects them. I agree with those who have written about the Indian society being one of the most tolerant and inclusive.


2.
CV's were very much planning to show the Din-e-Illahi track. Every thing was going on as planned and we did see the God Track. They went back in timeline despite the leap, as they wanted to revive the fortunes.

They showed those coins minted in Akbar - Gods' name. Brought the incident of Akbar and Man Singh fight when Man saved Akbar. Then the Shah Mansur track was brought. They had showed visions of Akbar with that kid, in their NR manner. God Track...

After that Din-e-Illahi was planned and was supposed to be next move. But since TRPs were not rising as expected, they thought what to do next and then they decided to finally go with the idea of witch track. Taking a clue from another show SSK - as told to me. Surprisingly, the TRP's increased in witch track and began to decrease as it ended. They also had to finish their Salim Anarkali track.

Another thing worth noting is that, TRP's were on rise in those phases also when the show DID NOT show any reforms. The thing was the chemistry and the spark of Rajat Tokas and Paridhi Sharma , which was missing in the later phase after the two were made to appear old. Facebook and Twitter is replete with fans of this onscreen pair.


3.
Much before this God Track - Even Khurram and Khusrau was on their cards. They had planned to show everything till Nur. But what could they do when the TRP's did not rise. Being a show in the much competitive 8 PM slot they need some decent TRPs. The show was destined to doom. Though, they re-started with God Track.

Now, they introduced Madho Singh for a future track and to use him between Salim and Man Bai ; but they had to end his role in a hurry as the show had to be finished asap.



4.
Fanatics ?

They exist on both sides. Our media knows what sells and what does not.!
There are many who ridicule Akbar. This news is reported "so fast" .

Though, there is NO DEARTH of those who ridicule Pratap and Shivaji also on religious lines. How many of them are reported ???

Recently, Markandey Katju was "attacked" when he praised Maharana Pratap and Shivaji. Though, he never pays attention to trolls but even he was FORCED to answer them by separate tweets.

I am not Mr. Katju's admirer but just making a point that a no non-sense man like him was haunted / bullied for praising Maha Rana Pratap and Shivaji by the "other" fanatics .!


Here are the Links:


Markandey Katju @mkatju

Some ppl hv criticized me for praising Shivaji-Rana Pratap, n alleged that they were die hard anti Muslims & communal. This is totally false.

68 retweets 45 favorites

They respected Muslims, and had Muslim officers in their armies. Hakim Khan Sur was commander of Rana Pratap's artillery.

View conversation 68 retweets 41 favorites

Shivaji treated with gr8 respect Muslim ladies who hd bn captured by his soldiers & returned them to their families,as KhafiKhan has written

View conversation 65 retweets 45 favorites



I replied as well..-->>

Abhay Jun 3

Maharana Pratap also treated with respect the ladies of camp of Abdur Rahim Khan-e-Khana and returned them back to Mughal Camp. @mkatju

All i want to say is that, there are issues on both sides and no one can be generalised.



5.

I don't want to comment on other show but making some points here, as it is given the reputation of being a much maligned show. I did not watch that show in starting, but used to read some views about the same. Yes, there were manipulations in story line BUT WHICH HISTORICAL does not manipulate history for their own benefit ? I myself made a thread there when Salima Begum was shown in not so good light because i believe she was noble.

I don't think a show can be ridiculed unanimously just because it does not appeals or sticks to "our version" of history.

Need to have accomodation for those views which don't agree with ours.


"
Many believe Akbar was noble. And if something goes against this thinking, it is normally attributed to religious bigotry.

The reverse also exists. Those who hate Akbar think people who show Akbar in good light are "pseudo secular".
"


That show is from perspective of Pratap.

Call Akbar GREAT...Fine..True.. But, for REAL Pratap? Will he also call him GREAT ? No.! I don't think.

Pratap called him ONLY a "Turk" till his last breath. { This is NOT my view, but what the books tell us. Now, when this same term is used there, then it appears as if Akbar is demeaned . But using this term for Akbar is true at the same time. }

That show is about the empire expanding side of Akbar. His Wars, etc. And, if the makers wanted to show him a bigot then they had a many chances to do the same.


I will give one example and the BEST one.!


Recently the Chittor track has finished in that show, and they have NOT shown ANYTHING EVEN in PASSING to what Real Akbar ordered there.

The REAL war was fought on religious lines, it was a call of faith by REAL Akbar to his army there.

He acted as a mujahid fighting the Holy War and spread ghizavat, and fought as a ghazi.

This is what Abul Fazl and Akbar's farman says and Akabr proudly abuses all the defenders of Chittor in his farman, words which i can not even quote here or even on blog.
All are in Mughal records.

The makers of that show had a very good chance to tarnish Akbar's "secular" & "tolerant" image generally present in the minds of all of us.
Though, they did not do it.


I have given this example only to show that there is NO set political agenda against him there.

Many are still "unhappy" because the makers glossed over many things of that war. Though, i thanked the makers as they did not touch those " raw nerves " . It is not so good to touch certain areas of past in today's time, where giving explanations can be tough or almost impossible for certain actions.

Yes Akbar has done many good things LATER, which are praiseworthy, but the thing is that, the other show has chosen to show the expire expanding side of Akbar and hence it appears to many that he is a villain there. There are enough names given by Vincent Smith from Akbarnama to show how many were treacherously assasinated.

Our show Jodha Akbar has done just the opposite. This show has shown the human side of AKbar people love him as a man of high virtues, one who cares for his family.

That's one difference between the shows..
Need to understand that both the shows touch a different side of Akbar..

Originally posted by: history_geek

Appears to be a tempting discussion.
Wanted to make a few points here, before its late.
Will say everything in this comment only.!


1.
There is no political pressure to NOT show someone's achievements or TO show someone's achievements. Govt has many more important things to be sorted out. All the issue is the research and the CVs and the writers where the PH lacks right now. If anyone here has got a chance to interact with the writers and CVs then the issue will be clear. They are on FB and on Twiitter.

They make and extend tracks based on TRP's and not based on someone's religion. Majority of audience is the normal viewers & public and they are NOT interested in any sort of religious bias. It simply does not affects them. I agree with those who have written about the Indian society being one of the most tolerant and inclusive.


2.
CV's were very much planning to show the Din-e-Illahi track. Every thing was going on as planned and we did see the God Track. They went back in timeline despite the leap, as they wanted to revive the fortunes.

They showed those coins minted in Akbar - Gods' name. Brought the incident of Akbar and Man Singh fight when Man saved Akbar. Then the Shah Mansur track was brought. They had showed visions of Akbar with that kid, in their NR manner. God Track...

After that Din-e-Illahi was planned and was supposed to be next move. But since TRPs were not rising as expected, they thought what to do next and then they decided to finally go with the idea of witch track. Taking a clue from another show SSK - as told to me. Surprisingly, the TRP's increased in witch track and began to decrease as it ended. They also had to finish their Salim Anarkali track.

Another thing worth noting is that, TRP's were on rise in those phases also when the show DID NOT show any reforms. The thing was the chemistry and the spark of Rajat Tokas and Paridhi Sharma , which was missing in the later phase after the two were made to appear old. Facebook and Twitter is replete with fans of this onscreen pair.


3.
Much before this God Track - Even Khurram and Khusrau was on their cards. They had planned to show everything till Nur. But what could they do when the TRP's did not rise. Being a show in the much competitive 8 PM slot they need some decent TRPs. The show was destined to doom. Though, they re-started with God Track.

Now, they introduced Madho Singh for a future track and to use him between Salim and Man Bai ; but they had to end his role in a hurry as the show had to be finished asap.



4.
Fanatics ?

They exist on both sides. Our media knows what sells and what does not.!
There are many who ridicule Akbar. This news is reported "so fast" .

Though, there is NO DEARTH of those who ridicule Pratap and Shivaji also on religious lines. How many of them are reported ???

Recently, Markandey Katju was "attacked" when he praised Maharana Pratap and Shivaji. Though, he never pays attention to trolls but even he was FORCED to answer them by separate tweets.

I am not Mr. Katju's admirer but just making a point that a no non-sense man like him was haunted / bullied for praising Maha Rana Pratap and Shivaji by the "other" fanatics .!


Here are the Links:


Markandey Katju @mkatju

Some ppl hv criticized me for praising Shivaji-Rana Pratap, n alleged that they were die hard anti Muslims & communal. This is totally false.

68 retweets 45 favorites

Markandey Katju @mkatju

They respected Muslims, and had Muslim officers in their armies. Hakim Khan Sur was commander of Rana Pratap's artillery.

View conversation 68 retweets 41 favorites

Markandey Katju @mkatju

Shivaji treated with gr8 respect Muslim ladies who hd bn captured by his soldiers & returned them to their families,as KhafiKhan has written

View conversation 65 retweets 45 favorites



I replied as well..-->>

Abhay Jun 3

Maharana Pratap also treated with respect the ladies of camp of Abdur Rahim Khan-e-Khana and returned them back to Mughal Camp. @mkatju

All i want to say is that, there are issues on both sides and no one can be generalised.



5.

I don't want to comment on other show but making some points here, as it is given the reputation of being a much maligned show. I did not watch that show in starting, but used to read some views about the same. Yes, there were manipulations in story line BUT WHICH HISTORICAL does not manipulate history for their own benefit ? I myself made a thread there when Salima Begum was shown in not so good light because i believe she was noble.

I don't think a show can be ridiculed unanimously just because it does not appeals or sticks to "our version" of history.

Need to have accomodation for those views which don't agree with ours.


"
Many believe Akbar was noble. And if something goes against this thinking, it is normally attributed to religious bigotry.

The reverse also exists. Those who hate Akbar think people who show Akbar in good light are "pseudo secular".
"


That show is from perspective of Pratap.

Call Akbar GREAT...Fine..True.. But, for REAL Pratap? Will he also call him GREAT ? No.! I don't think.

Pratap called him ONLY a "Turk" till his last breath. { This is NOT my view, but what the books tell us. Now, when this same term is used there, then it appears as if Akbar is demeaned . But using this term for Akbar is true at the same time. }

That show is about the empire expanding side of Akbar. His Wars, etc. And, if the makers wanted to show him a bigot then they had a many chances to do the same.


I will give one example and the BEST one.!


Recently the Chittor track has finished in that show, and they have NOT shown ANYTHING EVEN in PASSING to what Real Akbar ordered there.

The REAL war was fought on religious lines, it was a call of faith by REAL Akbar to his army there.

He acted as a mujahid fighting the Holy War and spread ghizavat, and fought as a ghazi.

This is what Abul Fazl and Akbar's farman says and Akabr proudly abuses all the defenders of Chittor in his farman, words which i can not even quote here or even on blog.
All are in Mughal records.

The makers of that show had a very good chance to tarnish Akbar's "secular" & "tolerant" image generally present in the minds of all of us.
Though, they did not do it.


I have given this example only to show that there is NO set political agenda against him there.

Many are still "unhappy" because the makers glossed over many things of that war. Though, i thanked the makers as they did not touch those " raw nerves " . It is not so good to touch certain areas of past in today's time, where giving explanations can be tough or almost impossible for certain actions.

Yes Akbar has done many good things LATER, which are praiseworthy, but the thing is that, the other show has chosen to show the expire expanding side of Akbar and hence it appears to many that he is a villain there. There are enough names given by Vincent Smith from Akbarnama to show how many were treacherously assasinated.

Our show Jodha Akbar has done just the opposite. This show has shown the human side of AKbar people love him as a man of high virtues, one who cares for his family.

That's one difference between the shows..
Need to understand that both the shows touch a different side of Akbar..

Why are political and religious reasons are being dragged into an Ekta Kapoor serial when her penchant for crappy heroine oriented shows is well known?. She plays to a certain audience who loves to see this kind of mushy, silly stuff. Its as simple as that. Just because some are not happy with the change of political power in India, that does not mean that every silly show on TV is the result of political/ religious pressure.


Mandy if Ekta Kapoor made a show on Ashoka or Pratap, she would have made them Majnus as well. Thats the formula of all her shows. that is regardless of the political climate

interesting points! will revert back after work, and anything to do with tolerance of common people is not in question its the political moves that are in question and i have my own reasons which i will not discuss openly in a public forum, anyone wants to discuss on it pl pm me! and yes trps could be the culprit but...will continue...running out of time!