Jodha Akbar 9th April 2015..Sweet and Bitter...LONG analysis upd Pg-1 - Page 3

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Lovely episode!! Loved it how JJ did their pooja together and BGM was mast😳. Same song which Jalal sang for Jodha on their anniv😳.
Rajat & Paridhi together will always set the TV screen on fire😳 😳
Sizzling chemistry with just eye locks. Maashallah
How I wish that Jodha had slapped Salim for his misbehaviour. Jalal only asked him to say sorry to Murad. is that also an injustice with Salim????😡
Last scene of Jalal in DEK, he was the Star of the show as always = our chota packet with big dhamaka = Rajat👏.


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Abhay liked first akdha scene.but I'm seriosuly fed up of sabak sikhana from jalal.Just want to say jalal why dint u do Sabak sikhana of ur Bachpan dost tajdare begum rukayya sultan?had jalal done Sabak sikhana of her before salim birth ,today salim Wud b free from afeem n alcohol n respected his parents (all thanks to rukayya). But nahi last horrifying words he said to her were u wil b my bachaon dost always so I'm forgiving u for this(wen he told her that she is responsible for hh death)

Jalal Sabak sikhana to salim
1)jalal first Sabak sikhana wen salim unknowingly hit arrow to the one guy jalal sent him to old woman house.salim got first punishment.sabak sikhana door ki baat hain all he got was free access to afeem from rukayya sultan Inspite of jalal wonderful security.
2)second Sabak sikhana was wen salim was made to stand under sun for hurting moti unknowingly.
3) third n final Sabak sikhana was sending away salim seven years for drinking alcohol n burning tuladan .again thanks to rukayya for mixing alcohol to salim.
In all these incidents jalal never sat with salim n spoke to him like father.all he did was giving final judgement in DEK.one time jalal spoke to salim in garden n salim felt taht jalal loves him n was happy n hugged jo also for givin him Bday gift. Again thanks to our one n only tajdare begum rukayya who cudnt see salim gettin near to parents n finally succeded in sending him.
Aftr seven years-
1)Salim was neither intersted in waliahad duties nor intersted in any relations except his love for dadijaan.he wanted to b as soldier.
2) jalal called him n forcefully gave him waliahad wer salim rejected once.now same waliahad title is taken back Bcz of salim anger n addicted to alcohol
3) now jalal again want to do Sabak sikhana of salim n I really Dnt know wat is he dng to implement it.had jalal said to salim murad daniyal before announcing decision that this is not to insult any of his sons but Dng for his ppl den neither salim wud b feelin insulted nor he thinks that jalal doesn't love him.Today jalal finally accepted that even if salim gets distanced from him it's doesnt bother him.
Why is jalal comparing salim and murad?salim childhood is different n murad is different.murad was brought up under Salima care n had lavishing childhood in agra wer as salim was brought up as commener.
4)Now jalal feels murad as best shaheshah n jalal decision is right at present.If jalal feels murad is best as shaheshah he shud stick to that decision no matter wat happens.he shud not take back murad title n give it to salim in nxt episodes n make murad also feel insulted.
P.s this is not to favour salim behaviour or sakali love as I hate both . This is just jalal failure Sabak sikhana incase of salim from childhood till now. As salim never wished for lavish life it's better jalal shud send him away from agra to wars.The persons who actually shid b punished are ruk haider but they get only forgiveness from jalal.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: sweet_diksha



those punishments were way too harsh for a 7 year old kid... i m not justifying Salim , but Akbar also was not right the way he always punished Salim... Akbar was always like a shehenshah where salim was/is concerned, not as a father...

and Salim was the one who was always kept away, nor other kids... there r many ways to make a kid understand, and make him apologize for his mistakes... only harsh punishments r not always only way to deal with it... but if a kid is always punished for every mistake whether done intentionally or unintentionally, then there r only two ways he will react... either he will finish himself thinking nobody needs him, or he will revolt against this parents and everybody else whom he will feel responsible in snatching away his rights...


Very well said @sweet_diksha. Completely agree with you.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Epi was good Esp JJ Scene was so Beautiful😛

it was really a divine scene JJ kept Vrat for each other😳i loved jalal's line

he says when two people marry they share all problems and life so why women have to pray for her family, cant men fast for betterment of family? so i will do Pooja 😳

then Jodha Appeared from behind and i like jalal's expression when he looks at her n 440 volt ki smile de raha tha😆his expression was telling how happy he was😳

Btw Jodha looked so beautiful dono ka dress bhi matching tha😆

BGM Meri Dhadkan was playing❤️ after many days i heard this song it was soothing n lovely😳

they do pooja as couple and looked at each other during pooja and were recalling Ghangaur time when jalal had seen jodha...awww it was so touchy old days yaad aa gaye😳

the way jalal explained to jodha and gave her example if maan bai was in ur place would u ask her to change her religion nahi naa finally Jodha understood Phew..i love d way he convinced jodha😳

Salim did not do right when he slapped Murad. That too in front of Anardan He insulted him. Anrdan was not in any position to interfere there and she was very wrong to stop Murad from talking to Salim. "Even Jodha don't do it" even during her disagreement n unfriendly period with Jalal🤔

I support Jalal when he said Salim should learn respect those in authority. Can c him defying even Shehshah order to ask for forgiveness. I just don't understand Y salim is angry?? because he could not make Anr a MEH or he lost his power as Shah. He had reject it n wanted to be a simple man. It is not even his fault that Anrdan become a dancer. He don't even have the wisdom or care to find out the truth Y Jalal choose Murad😕

A child who refuses to see the pressure of a ruler that weighs on his father to learn for future use is not worthy to be King.😡
Who needs Ruqs when Salim plays the villain so well.🤔Jalal please send him away...somewhere plsss!

same dialogue again & again day in n day out. Does not Ruqs/LT feel bored repeating h/self n acting the same manner over n over again. Well I do n have no choice but to skip her scenes

We already got much going on no need to keep on trying to force Ruqs into the plot when we can clearly see it doesnt need her in put in anyway. Jeez!


i am sad for jodha😔jallu n sallu k bich me piss rahi hai yei wonder how real jodha had tolerated all this syapa 😕iski life me kbi shanti nahi thi all time hairan n pareshan🤢
Edited by hely - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Abhay, it was indeed a bitter and sweet episode. Thanks for the update.

I just can't still understand the writers even if they are full of men than women ( why do they lack the ability to remember their own dialogues from previous write ups)?

Since the birth of Salim, Jalal had set out to make him the best next King. What has he done so far in actions to bring this about?

If my memory is not like theirs I remember they showed their character Jalal arguing with their character Jodha that by sending Salim as 9 years old would make him a good warrior King as compared to Jodha's suggestions that he should be corrected and be trained at home step by step as he grows.

Jalal was more interested if I remember the dialogues well of Salim becoming a rebel first and then a noble second so now what is his problem? Why is he questioning whether Salim is fit for a King?

Now that Salim has become a rebel Jalal wants to act as a father and show Salim discipline to become a noble how will this work as a the rebel heart is full of roots of evil seeds, hate, harden heart that has already been created so whose fault is it that today Salim is displaying an unfit characteristics as the next King.

Has he ever giving MUZ as a mother a chance to be a mother to her son without bringing in his famous 'think like MUZ' and today he rejected simple counsel to treat this matter in close doors just because his idea of bringing to book his son is different and always (foolish) that only leads to more complications than solutions.

These writers of Jodha Akbar should really stop insulting the office of a writer! Their way of presentation is so pathetic and illogical. How insulting to this wonderful office and talent.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: overactor

today's episode had the Jalal i love 😎 where he behaves as a shehenshah and not a husband of jodha😡 he was awesome i loved it when he said door hojaye to hojaye👏 and that murad is more capable⭐️ sometimes jodha appears selfish🥱 why should salim be the wali ehed when he doesn't deserve it👎🏼

i wish murad had called anarkali's name instead of saying kaneez only

WHEN DID U FIND JODHA EVER BEING SELFISH PLS TELL.ME?
AGRED THAT SHE WAS A BIT DISSAPOINTED WHEN JALAL SUDDENLY SAID MURAD IS MORE CAPABLE OF BRING A SEHENSAH.HER REACTION WAS QUITE NORMAL.SHE HAS SUFFERED ALL D PAIN N SEPERATION SO THAT SALIM BECOMES SEHENSAH!

SHE WOULD DEFINITELY NOT SIDE SALIM ONCE SHE COMES TO KNOW THAT HE IS CHEATING MAAN BAI!

IF U REMEBER,JO WAS D PERSON WHO DIRECTLY TOLD BAGWANTH DAS TO ABANDON HIS MARRIAGE WID MAANBAI.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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EPISODE SUPERB!
1ST SCENE AWESOME.MAGICAL.
PARIJAT NAILED IT!
BGM,D SET EVERYTHING WAS PERFECT!

AFTER THAT POOJA.JALAL'S DIALOGUE WERE FAB.

"HUM DONO NE DON MAZABON KO EK KIYA,DO TEHZEBON KI NEEV KAYAM KI HAI HINDUSTAN MAIN.AUR HUM WOH NEEV KO BADALNA NAHI CAHTE"
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LAST SCENE IN D.E.K WAS POWER PACKED.RT NAILED IT!
COMING TO JODHA..DON'T KNOW WAT TO STAY..TILL YESTERDAY..I WAS IN FULL FAVOR OF JALAL .BUT TODAY I FEEL SYMPATHIES 4 HER.HER ONLY CHILD IS ALWAYS LEFT TO SUFFER N SHE HERSELF HAS TO SUFDER AS A MOTHER!
HOPE WE WILL SEE A BILD,SENSIBLE,INTELLIGENT N FIERY JO ONCE SHE VOMES TO KNOW THAT SALIM IS CHEATING ON MAANBAI N SUPPORTS JALAL!

Thanks 4 ur thread abhay!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Hi Abhay,

I just caught up watching a backlog of JA episodes that I had missed seeing, due to a hectic work schedule. I realize I had not missed much, after all. Today's episode is bitter sweet indeed.

BITTER = The equation between Akbar/Jodha and Salim.😒
SWEET = The love and understanding between Jalal and Jodha.
Their sweet creation is left with a lot of bitterness, due to a lack of proper communication and understanding.

Pandit/Jyotish Bhadrinath's prophecies and MUZ's fears are coming true.😔 The Creatives are using their trump card of showcasing the tumultuous relationship between Akbar and Salim very well. 😔. The kind of Natakiya Roopantar that is bringing down trp's again.

The Shehenshah in the father has completely overshadowed the father in the Shehenshah. The Creatives have erred in depicting the father part of Jalal's personality. They have shown him only as a strict disciplinarian who keeps issuing orders for punishments. The 'gentle', loving, understanding side of Jalal that cares for his 'awaam' and Jodha is non existent when it comes to Salim. A parent irrespective of whether he is a royal or a regular can be strict yet gentle, firm yet loving, a disciplinarian yet approachable. Salim and him are unable to have a decent conversation because they have not 'connected ' emotionally as father and son. Jalal needs to understand why Salim has these angry outbursts, why he is quietly rebellious and why why he is constantly feeling unworthy.

We as an audience only see Salim's unacceptable behavior, illogical, irrational thinking and disrespect towards Akbar and Jodha. We also need to think why he is behaving so erratically.

( I am by no means defending Salim's unacceptable behavior. All I am doing is trying to see the entire scenario through the eyes of a confused, lost eight old who had no clue why he is being sent off from home for an unintentional mistake, who feels worthless, who is wallowing in low self-esteem, and who is still traumatized today as a young man )

The mother in MUZ is left helpless, constantly worrying and shedding tears, because all her fears are turning into reality. I wish the mother in the fiery Jodha wakes up and faces this delicate situation head-on. It is NOT the time to sympathize, Salim does not need sympathy. It is NOT the time to reprimand, Salim does not need to be reminded about or scolded for his inappropriate behavior. It is the time to strongly, firmly yet gently 'connect' with Salim emotionally, and let him know his worth and how much he is loved. Jodha as his mother, as MUZ has it in her to achieve this feat.

Salim is leaning towards Anarkali and Rukaiyya only for the love and understanding that he has not received so far. This is going to cause more agony for Salim/Akbar/Jodha in the future.

The pooja scene involving Jodha and Akbar was very loving. This jodi light up the screen with their presence. Both have portrayed their feelings for each other very very well.
It is only after seeing the depth of love and understanding that Jalal has for Jodha, I am left wondering why such a loving and understanding husband is unable to relate to Salim on an emotional level, recognize his state of mind and become an understanding, loving abbujaan too. Are Jalal's reasoning and affections restricted only to comprehending the feelings of Jodha, Mahtaab,and Bakshi Bano's emotions? Where does his sharp sensitivity disappear when it comes to Salim?

More than having to be subjected to the Salim/Jalal/Anarkali/MaanBai/Jodha drama, I am eagerly looking forward to seeing how the 'teda' Jalal tackles the Shah of Iran. Henceforth, I'm going back to my old method of watching JA : read the WU and watch only bearable scenes with sensible dialogues. This approach will enable me to maintain my sanity.

( I again repeat that I am not sympathizing with or endorsing Salim's improper behavior. I am merely attempting to understand how the lack of parental communication/understanding has sowed the seeds of unrest/discord in the mind of this heir apparent, thereby causing immense unhappiness in all three of their lives.)


Edited by Charu.S - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: SindhuMenon

Thanks Abhay. Just took time to watch the episode...

My comments on the episode. The pooja scene was a treat to watch and loved the dialogues by Jalal and Jodha. The way jalal explained to Jodha why he does not want her to convert. At the same time Jodha asked Jalal too, if he is able to fast and follow Hindu traditions being a Muslim, she can do the same even if she converted. That said Conversion should not happen forcefully which Jalal pointed out .👏


Coming to Salim I have nothing to say except he is mentally weak and like Jalal said is he even fit to be a King. Murad was right in his Place. Anar should have Kept quiet she should not have interfered.

Coming to DEK scene, Salim should not have confronted. Murad said that Salim insulted him in front of a Kaniz. Very good. That said, Abhay I have a question for you..I would have Preferred first Jalal to talk to Salim in front of HB, SB, Ruks, Murad etc and not in DEK. Earlier initially during JJ separation, Mamaga was interrogated privately first and then brought to DEK. Why are CVS so inconsistent here. Why do I feel that Jalal was as a father here today and was overstrict with Salim.

Precap, I will wait for tomorrow to watch and then comment. As normally everything is shown opposite to what we see in Precap.

AM sure Salim refused and Jalal may have given some punishment. I hope it is that salim is send on a war. Rather than a fight among JJ in Precap, I see a worried wife cum mother who is worried about father son MU.


Well said Sindhu.

Salim's greatest weakness has been his inability to express his innermost feelings with any one. He feels let down by Murad. He feels that his father played with his emotions and favored Murad.

In today's situation, I feel that Murad should not have addressed Anarkali as a 'kaneez' too. After all Murad and Salim are more like buddies and less like brothers. Murad very well knows that Salim is hopelessly in love with Anarkali. Where was the need to provoke him? There was no need for Salim to reciprocate with a physical assault either. Fault lies with both of them.

I was also wondering why the otherwise humble Murad was being shown offended with his newly acquired title of Shah Shah being disrespected by Salim. If he is so worried about that position being disrespected, then in the same vein he should not have addressed Anarkali as a 'kaneez' and provoked Salim. The manner and tone of voice that he used to address Anarkali as a 'kaneez' was degrading to not only Anarkali but any other 'kaneez' too. He as the newly anointed Shah Shah should have conducted himself with the dignity befitting that title and been respectful towards the 'kaneez' who are a part of the mahal staff and the awaam too.
Murad attacked Salim with the equation and freedom existing between brothers. Salim reciprocated in anger, with a slap. Suddenly the 'audha' factor factor has cropped up.
Pathetic, inconsistent natakiya roopantar.

Had Jalal communicated his decision to crown Murad as the heir apparent with Salim, ahead of the coronation, this nauseating situation would never have happened.

I wish to see a strong mother in Jodha who deals with this situation fearlessly and sensitively. Not a worried, tearful Jodha. This fiery queen has it in her to change Salim. As per the NR, if she could bring about positive changes in the once heartless Jalal, she can definitely bring calmness and self confidence in Salim, after all she is his mother.


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Abhay am venting today am not impress at all, really upset with the writers after the God track. They should be mindful of building up a story and stop giving us half-baked and shirt and blouse tracks for goodness sake! We surely deserve better after sticking with their sorry- ...es for all this while.😡

Anytime they touch on 'family dynamics track the writers disappoint me 🥱

IF after coming back to the family' after his training as a warrior Jalal had taken the pains to make Salim understood the "Kingship responsibilities" and have put him through some form of one on one mentoring through some episodes then this crisis arise and he is trying to solve the problem in a tricky' way so Salim might learn later and decide to hide this I will not be upset with his methods towards his son. Here the writers sucks big time. As a viewer I could then say that after all the investment done by Jalal as a King and a Father to bring out the best in Salim he has failed to live up to the expectations.

However the Scenario painted by the writers is different and therefore both Jodha and Jalal sucks as father and mother and their son sucks as a son period (dysfunctional family in the name of drama).

His training as a warrior was not even done by Jalal but by Man Sigh and since he came back all the writers have shown is nonessential issues that has not involve son and father mentoring! What has their character Jalal invested in his son so far apart from shouting, hiding things from him with the notion of protecting him(how will he learn to deal with complicated situations when everything should be hidden from him (who at all writers this kind of meaningless crap that only raise bp) and slapping him for supposedly taken afeem which at the end Jalal was made a fool too. Seriously! 😕

Up till now the "all knowing, all smart, all powerful, all teda, all loving, all sharp perceiving King" has not yet realize that what happen years back has put a stain on his son's perception of him as a father and does not understand that his behavior is retaliation only nor does his many informants in the palace able to tell him that his son is seeing a royal dancer or in love with her nor he is a drug addict instead of solving this old track they leave them hanging and bring in more nonsense. (now if that is not stupidity of the writers in building they character Jalal's image I don't know what it is anymore).

This formula of character Jalal creating his own troubles with his own intelligent' decisions my f..t and then later characrter Jodha bears the heat of it despite her putting in her suggestions as a mother, wife etc is becoming very, very boring and annoying. It is time for the writers to think out of this box.😡

I wonder whether there are specialties among them freaks because it looks like only one person writes for positive (sweet) tracks so it is limited.

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