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Posted: 10 years ago
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hi ANGRAA AND SANDHYA
I READ U R POST VERY WELL SAID AND I LIKED IT.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Are you angry with those who dislike Salim?😕😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sabdabhala



MY POV IS AS FOLLOWS -


1. THE REEL SALIM IS A PRODUCT OF THE DISGUSTING AND TOTALLY UNCREATIVE MINDS OF OUR SO CALLED CVS.

THE REAL JEHANGIR, ALTHOUGH A VICTIM OF HIS MANY ADDICTIONS AND QUIRKS, WAS CERTAINLY NOT SO EVER SINCE HE WAS BORN, AS SHOWN IN THE SHOW.

THOUGH IT MAY BE TRUE THAT AKBAR WAS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL MUGHAL KINGS IN TERMS OF EXPANSION OF THE KINGDOM AND OTHER IMPORTANT PARAMETERS, BUT JAHANGIR WAS NO LESS. HE TOO EXPANDED THE MIGHAL KINGDOM, ENCOURAGED THE ARTS ETC.,AND ALSO CARRIED OUT SEVERAL CONSTRUCTIONS. AND IT IS ONLY IN THE LATER PERIOD OF HIS LIFE THAT HE GAVE WAY TO HIS ADDICTIONS AND LET NOOR JEHANTAKE OVER MOST OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES.

YES HIS CHARACTER WAS NOT AS STRONG AS AKBAR, BUT THEN DOES IT NOT TAKE ALL KINDS TO MAKE THE WORLD?


THE REEL SALIM IN JA, HOWEVER,IS THE MOST DISGUSTING AND DISAGREEABLE PERSON THAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE WHOLE SHOW


2. HIS HATRED FOR HIS PARENTS FROM SUCH AN EARLY AGE IS, BY FAR, THE MOST IRRITATING FEATURE OF HIS CHARACTER.

YES HISTORICALLY JALAL AND SALIM NEVER SAW EYE TO EYE ON MOST MATTERS.

BUT TO THRUST THIS KIND OF NEGATIVITY ON THE VIEWERSIS CERTAINLY NOT JUSTIFIED

I KNOW THAT TO SOME EXTENT RUKS IS SHOWN TO BE RESPINSIBLE FOR THIS. BUT THIS KIND OF VISUALIZATION AND DEPICTION IS FUNDAMENTALLY FLAWED, SPECIALLY WHEN THERE IS LITERATURE TO SUPPORT THE VIEW THAT THE REAL SALIM HELD HIS MOTHER IN EXTREMELY HIGH REGARD


3. HIS WALLOWING CONSTANTLY IN SELF PITY IS EXTREMELY DEMEANING TO THE REAL SALIM

EVERY TIME THERE IS AN ISSUE, OR FOR THAT MATTER, A NON ISSUE, HE IS THE FIRST ONE WHO ERUPTS LIKE A VOLCANO, ALMOST AS IF THERE IS NO ONE SADDER OR MORE MISFORTUNE RIDDEN THAN HIM.

AND FOR A HEIR AND A PRINCE OF HIS STATURE, IT IS MOST UNBECOMING

4. HIS RUDENESS WHILE INTERACTING WITH HIS FATHER IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE

SALIM HAS HARDLY EVER REFERRED TO HIS FATHER HAS ABBUJAAN. HE ALWAYS ADDRESSES JALAL AS SHAHENSHAH AND JODHA AS MUZ.

AND YET THE BASIC RESPECT THAT ONE WOULD GIVE TO AN EMPEROR IS COMPLETELY MISSING IN HIS BEHAVIOUR.

THIS IS YET ANOTHER FEATURE OF HIS WHICH MAKES HIM HATE WORTHY

5. HIS FAVOURITE WORD IS MOHABBAT ( RECALL HOW IN HIS FIRST EPISODE AS AN ADULT, HE WAS TELLING HIS FRIEND THAT HE WOULD LIKE HIS NAME TO GO DOWN IN A BOOK OF EVERLASTING LOVE ) BUT NOTHING IN HIS DEMEANOUR SUGGESTS THAT HE EVEN UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE WORD LOVE MEANS

HOW CAN VIEWERS TOLERATE THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE NEVER DISPLAYED EVEN NEAR HUMAN EMOTIONS TOWARDS YOUR PARENTS ( WHO LOVE YOU TO DEATH) BUT YOU CLAIM TO LOVE SOMEONE ELSE TILL KINGDOM COME?

IS LOVE A JOKE?


THE CHARACTER OF SALIM IN JA IS ABSOLUTELY NOT REDEEMABLE. THE ONLY THING WE CAN HOPE FOR IS REDUCED SCREEN SPACE

ACCORDING TO ME, THE ONLY GOOD THING THAT INTRODUCTION OF SALIM HAS BROUGHT FORTH IS THAT ALL VIEWERS ARE UNITED IN SAYING THAT WE HATE HIM, AS A RESULT OF WHICH JALAL AND JODHA HAVE BECOME LEADS ONCE AGAIN


Lavanya

Thank you, you made my job easier. I do not have to summarize what everyone wrote here because your post is the perfect summary of everyone's angst with reel Salim. 😊


@Bold, underlined: 👏 Well said!! I am actually happy this reel Salim is hated universally (well, almost) because it has reduced bashing of Jodha and Jalal. And better still, their characters have seen an upward swing in the show and they are getting good dresses, good scenes, greater screen space and NO MUs. 😃



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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: PutijaChalhov

I find both the character and actor unimpressive. Forgetting that he is a son of a great emperor his lack of judgement ,trust in his parents makes him annoying he is ready to listen false tales by all near whether on parents Anar etc. A child usually observes his parents behavior and learns some traits if not all. The C Vs have made him a weak character telling false things, bragging and not wanting to take responsibility.Though later they have improved his character but again they keep swaying his character so when I start thinking he is OK again he switches back to his bad qualities.

though down south we have a saying that nothing grows under a Banyan tree (meaning A son of a great man cant grow gr88) but at least the way he sees his parents behavior help him absorb some good traits.


Putija

I liked your comment because it reminded me of what my 7-year old son said yesterday - Salim was good in the war, then why is he behaving so badly now with everyone? 😆

THis oscillating pendulum behavior of the CVs is good in a way - if they want, they can change Salim overnight and make him more likable, without needing to explain the change.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Suganya.S

Ha ha ha 😆 Happening post 😉


I would like to say one thing , The REAL FACT was we loved JODHA n AKBAR - The MOST 😳 So we were shattered to hear the Announcement of Leap and SA taking the CENTER STAGE That was the MAIN REASON ( or atleast i think so 😕) , where the majority of Masses Disliked the VERY ENTRANCE of SALIM (BIG ONE 😆) ...


The NEXT reason was >>> The CHOICE of SALIM ACTOR , As said by a forum member in her POST in this thread

People couldnt connect him with DASHING RAJAT 😊 in anyway !!! AND he being portrayed as , ALWAYS manipulated by everyone ( say Ruqu , haider n whoever not 🤢)

And being IRRESPECTABLE towards his PARENTS 😡 ( ESPECIALLY calling JO as MUZ n Ruqu as AMMIJAAN ) ... Altogether , it's the poor characterisation of SALIM in the show ( or may be selection of actor too ) that's y we hate to see salim

And about his REDEMPTION , I dont know whether it will ever happen ?? 🤔 Whatever he does , we cant forget his deeds RIGHT from his INCEPTION in this show 🤓 And with this CVs , I doubt it BIG TIME 😆


Suganya

Most of the points you have raised have been covered in the summary post by Sabdabhala above. 😊

But you have raised a few additional points, which are wonderful.

1. People were prejudiced against Salim even before his entry because they didn't want the leap.

2. Comparison with Rajat. This was inevitable and on this forum, at least, it is rare for any actor to be considered as good as, if not better than, Rajat. The actor playing Salim had no chance at all of making a mark opposite Rajat.

If the actor is to be replaced, it would be quite difficult for the PH to find someone who can match upto Rajat in looks and acting.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: SindhuMenon



@Radhika: Lovey post..well written.

@Suganya: Well said

For me I have no hatred for this Salim so far as I feel as Parents JJ also failed.

Also if we look at the younger Jalal, he was also very attached to Mamanga and blindly believed her, Ruks and insulted HB, his own mother, on many many occasions. That said we did not hate Jalal so much in those days. Now, I think our love for Jalal and Jodha is also another reason for hating Salim as we cant stand someone insulting our loved ones.

But I dislike Salim for reasons like
1. Calling Jodha as MUZ, Ruks as Ammijaan
2. He sympathizes with himself and forgets to see anything beyond him.
3. Not able to connect with this Salim yet, I feel Ravi as an actor has a long way to go.
4. Leap was one of the issues as we all were not ready for it.


Sindhu

The list of points you have given are on everyone's list too 😆

But the points you raised are important.

1. Younger Jalal also insulted Hamida Banu but we didn't hate him so much. May be because these insults were limited to here and there and not so dominating. And we loved Jalal and Rajat!

2. May be you are right - we love JJ so much that we can't stand anyone insulting them. Hence the hatred for Salim's character, just as we hate Ruq's character.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: sanrajfan1

I don't like salim for many reasons. but the first and the foremost reason is that he is a bad looking, bad acting and bad dilalog delivery person.

His looks specially the hair around his face is so ugly.



Finally!!! Someone mentioned the hair! Thanks!!! 😊

I want to cut his hair every time I see him because i just can't stand anyone with hair falling into their eyes 🤢
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ndi.anggraeni81


i agree with you , why these salim disrespect to his parents, he is the son that jodha and jalal get after so many pain they must endured and jalal must walk thousand miles to finally held his salim, even jalal very hard on salim but he is a king and he must do justice, what salim do if he is in jalal shoes, he really doesnt respect his mother who carried him for 9 month alone and having long and difficult labour.

salim are too much self center, he doesnt think bout other people all he care just anarkali, what anarkali give him so far ?, what anarkali do so far that she deserve to be queen or malika e hind ?, his amijan must goin through lot to reward the title malika e hind and that too not because she is ask for it, and salim must stop selft pity because a lot people more suffer then him but they still strong


Loved the sentence in bold 👏
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: srilu321

hi to all

in JA SALIM ischaracter is like this -
whether he did right or wrong all should accept , support him
whatever he wants they hv to provide and accept it doesn't matter for him whether that is good or bad

i read in some posts that as a parents jo jl at fault but i didn't find any wrong in jo ji because jo jl not only mom dad but also king and queen too they have responsibilities towards others too . for ex-
1)boy hitting case directly came to court 1st jl didn't believe and accept her then jl asked sa but he lied here alsojl trusted sa after anar statement and observing that old lady needs jl gave that panishment. as a child expecting help support from parents is not wrong but for certain things parents also can't help because they have to see others too.ex- if a father is police or judge son very well know his duties because since childhood he has been seeing his father duties same thing applied to sa too.here u can ask asa parent u didnt give that confidence in u r son to share everything but whether u close to ur parents or not if u did any thing wrong u will not tell any thing to them . if parents knew before they will go any level to save their son like jl jo did in kabela track.


Srilu

Agree with your post. 😊

@bold: I view this point differently. I feel it is a test of how close a child is to his parents depending upon whether he tells them that he has done something wrong.

This is something I have ingrained in my son - I don't mind if he doesn't tell me anything else but he knows that if he does something wrong, he has to tell it to me and he does always, sooner or later.


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ndi.anggraeni81


salim steps brother are more like sons to jodha, remember how murad daniyal aram bano and khannum try to make jodha laugh by trick her to said jalal had another woman instead its just a horse, these kids loving jodha more than her own son, what salim had done for jodha so far ? he just giving jodha tears and heartbreaking, i just wish cv not make jodha weak like this, i miss strong jodha who fight and challenge a hindustan shahenshah, who with brave said hate to king face, who with fearless fight with abu mali, who with lioness spirit lead woman in harem in war, who with strong will giving birth to her kids without jalal by her side, who with dignity give up mariam uz zamani titel to prove man singh innocence, who with smile still make joke bout death just to make his belove husband not worry . . . where this brave fearless and strong jodha gone ?, jodha should take his masa act towards her kids, eventhough mainawati loves her kids but she can hard to her kids if it needs ... cv really like to torture JA/AKDHA fans . . . ya Allah bless my soul 😆😆


1. All those kids should have been Jodha's rightfully. :(

2. @bold: Though this is diverting from the topic, but loved these words 😊

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