Ruq plans to demand Jodha's baby by right - using her 'wish' - Page 10

Originally posted by: karishma.s

Hi mansi, amazing theories.I just don't know what to say about the episode. Its just that ruks gets to me. This combination of cheapo and audha queen is the worst possible combination of a track. Though we knew that ruks was going to ask for the kid, watching it was much more horrible, cause we could see that not even for a moment did ruks want the kid for being childless, but she wanted it so that she could become the MUZ. Anyways, let me go over certain scenes and give my views.

Jalal Ruqs scene:

I know that it was an eyesore for the people who saw it and I was sitting with my hand over my head for the entire scene. Jalal did refuse as he knows what it is like to separate a kid from his mother. It just that he could not refuse harshly at that particular point of time cause ruks chose her words very well and jalal being the man he is felt sorry for her , a woman who can never become a mother. See jalal has witnessed ruks miscarriage and knows that for no fault of hers she can never become a mother. But what he does not know is that perhaps destiny has made it happen as it knows that she can never be a good mother before a queen. For her the queen is the most important. IN this case, the MUZ. I read some posts on the forum saying that jalal should be able to see through ruks. He does know that she wanted to become MUZ, but has no idea that she would separate the kids from jodha only for being the MUZ. Well during the fake pregnancy, he thought that ruks did it cause he was ignoring her. So on jodha's insistence he decided to forgive her, but distanced himself from her. He does act normal with her, but it is very formal, if you notice all the scenes after the FP track. Jalal tried to put her off as gently as possible. So what jalal did was true to his character. Ruks was the one who thought that if she will dress up and shed those tears, jalal will get moved, but did you see mansi, that he hardly looked at ruks. He asked her as to why had she come to him. I think he has got it that she will only come to him when she wants something out of him. But he still feels some sense of responsibility towards ruks as she is his best friend FOR HIM(I emphasized on these words as if you have such a best friend, there is no need for an enemy). Though suttle, ruks got the message that jalal refused to separate the kids from jodha. AND THAT HUG WAS NOT REQUIRED I FELT. I KNOW HE WAS TRYING TO CONSOLE HER AND IT WAS FAKE FROM RUKAIYA'S SIDE, BUT I CAN ONLY SEE JODHA IN THAT POSITION!!!!(but that is the romantic in me).

Question?

Why did ruks ask for the younger kid, mansi? Does she plan to kill jodha and the older kid? And by asking for the younger kid, even jalal wont suspect her to be after the audha?

Jalal jodha scene:

I loved the scene when jalal came to see jodha. He just came to meet her to share what was on his mind. He had no mind to request her to give the kid to rukaiya. When he found her lovingly putting bakshi's kid to sleep, he saw the jodha who was pure and cared for others children as her own. He immediately knew that his decision was right and never even discussed it with jodha. He might have come to share what was in his mind and what rukaiya had asked him, but he stopped himself as he realised that the mere thought would hurt jodha beyond measure. He even said that rukaiya should not have called for the palna. This shows that he was never in favour of giving the child. When jodha sees that he said that ruks should not have called for the palna, she tells him that she does not mind sharing a little bit of happiness with her. Here again, she thought of sharing the child, and not giving the child to ruks permanently . Something like how she shares Rahim with salima. Jalal got the message that jodha was the most pure and selfless woman on the planet, whereas ruks did not for one minute think about jodha but only herself. Well jalal you have to still know the true colours of you supposedly best friend as calling her a friend would be ashaming friendship. I hope the fact that jodha told you that she had called for a palna in advance rings some bells in your head. He already said that there is something going on in ruks mind. It wont be long till he figures it out. And then it will be the end for ruks!!!

Sharrif jodha scene:

I seriously don't even know why am I writing about this cheapo with jodha. Did anyone see how he pinched his newborn child to get jodha's attention? I felt like murdering him. Jodha feels uncomfortable, but mansi, making an allegation like this on your brother in law is damn serious. She is not even still fully sure and doesn't have proof. And why would her mind go in that direction? Who could dream of letching the wife of the emperor of India, especially when the whole of Agra knows how possessive he is of jodha. But I do want jodha to tell him that you touched me. Even if it was by mistake I want you to be cautious not to dare do it again. Only jalal has the right to touch me.That should give that letching creep a slap across his face. Anyways, I think that he may kill the child and show that the child died naturally. Bakshi might get to know about it. I hope she doesn't support him after loosing her daughter otherwise I will lose the last shreds of sympathy I have for her.

The precap:

Well mansi, I think now jalal is going to blatantly refuse her in front of all in the DEK. Cause in private, he talked to her nicely and told her to drop the idea. But now, by taking this matter to the DEK, she has humiliated jalal in front of all. This is blackmailing and jodha will agree to give the child just so that jalal's honour is maintained. It will kill her to do it, but she will hide her pain from him. It will not be hidden from jalal. This should get him more angry on ruk. And when he gets to know it was all about audha, ruks is going to be grilled. I await the moment with bated breath. By taking the matter to the DEK, ruks has herself buried the relation which was left between her and jalal.

So those are my views on the above episode. Please share your views. I hope that this track is short cause I cant bear ruk and sharif for long. I just want jalal to rip ruks apart after this and if they are wondering what the dialogues should be, I will be the most happy one to do the job of writing the dialogues of the confrontation scene of jalal and ruks just like the confrontation between jalal and maham at the end of the sujamal track.

On the new sbb segment:

Mansi, I think for jalal's honour jodha will agree and then ruks will start taking care of jodha as one kid is hers. I hope jalal comes and sees that jodha is getting suffocated cause of this trantrik shit and fires ruks. I think this comes after bakshi's child is dead.

Originally posted by: MaddyO

I reserved post on page 2 but posting here again. I had made this thread yesterday night. Mansi - please be prepared for LOT of venting!

Yesterday's episode and precap was really disappointing.

It was the kind of episode where leads are turned helpless and vamps and villains seem to be winning. So CVs favorite kind of episode!

I felt like cursing CVs for doing this to Jalal. They are going to do the same to Jodha tomorrow. 😡😡😡

How can Jalal even consider this? This is what he seemed to be thinking when he went to meet Jodha. Doesn't he remember his own childhood spent away from HB? Doesn't Jalal understand Ruk even a bit! How can he forget what Ruk can do after seeing her faking pregnancy?!

Jalal was NOT suspicious when Ruk came to him all dressed up like a Christmas tree?!!! With open hair and big fake tears? Why did she need to dress up if she was feeling SAD for herself not having a baby?

Of course seeing Ruk ask for her wish in DEK and Jalal so upset about it - Jodha is going to say yes to giving baby to Ruk. I WISH Jodha can say that it is her baby also and she does not want to give it to Ruk.

However, Jodha cannot stand by and see Jalal having to go back on his granted wish and get humiliated publicly. Ruk wants to take advantage of this fact and get the baby.

Here is what I would love for Jodha to do.

Jodha should ask Ruk if given word fulfilling wish is sacrosanct? Of course Ruk will say yes.

I want Jodha to say since Jalal has granted wish and he will never go back on his promise - just to honor HIS promise Jodha is willing to give the baby to Ruk.

Then Jodha should ask Ruk if Jalal fulfilled his wish and does Ruk agree to this. Ruk would say yes.

Then Jodha should ask Ruk if she remembers SHE had given a promise to Jodha - when Jodha had saved Jalal's life by drinking poison - Ruk had given her a promise that except Jalal, Jodha can ask for anything once and Ruk will fulfill it.

Jodha should tell Ruk for the wish Ruk has given Jodha - Jodha is asking for her baby back.

So Jalal will have fulfilled HIS wish granted to Ruk but Jodha and Jalal will not have to give their baby to Ruk.

I do not want to see Ruk winning. I do not want to see Jalal and Jodha made helpless and get taken in by this emotional blackmail.

I have no hopes from these CVs! What we most probably will get to see is Jodha will say yes just cos she does not want Jalal to lose face. Ruk will get what she wants and she will gloat and smirk and plot to harm Jodha's baby. So her baby becomes waris and she becomes MUZ.

Dread CVS will get Ruk hang around Jodha and Jalal all the time in pregnancy not giving them alone time - how we faced after SR episode.
Cos JA CVs enjoy watching vamps and villains win for 25 episodes and spare 1 episode for leads winning!

Brace for 18-20 of mins of screen time for Ruk all over the place and hanging around Jodha. She will do utmost to not give alone time to JodhaJalal again "in her NOW SUDDEN desire of taking care of pregnant Jodha" 😡😡😡

If they show Ruk win, get baby and spoil whatever is remaining of Jodha's pathetic uncared for pregnancy - I hope they get such a massive kick of TRPs.

Let us see if they have learnt the lesson of Ruk fake pregnancy track?!
I don't have much confidence!

MA's so called downfall whatever the CVs showed so far IS BIG FAT DISAPPOINTING and I am SURE Ruk's bhandafod is going to leave us all feeling HUGELY DISAPPOINTED AS WELL. CVs will somehow make her the focus and poor Ruk again!

Originally posted by: karishma.s

Hi mansi, amazing theories.I just don't know what to say about the episode. Its just that ruks gets to me. This combination of cheapo and audha queen is the worst possible combination of a track. Though we knew that ruks was going to ask for the kid, watching it was much more horrible, cause we could see that not even for a moment did ruks want the kid for being childless, but she wanted it so that she could become the MUZ. Anyways, let me go over certain scenes and give my views.

Jalal Ruqs scene:

I know that it was an eyesore for the people who saw it and I was sitting with my hand over my head for the entire scene. Jalal did refuse as he knows what it is like to separate a kid from his mother. It just that he could not refuse harshly at that particular point of time cause ruks chose her words very well and jalal being the man he is felt sorry for her , a woman who can never become a mother. See jalal has witnessed ruks miscarriage and knows that for no fault of hers she can never become a mother. But what he does not know is that perhaps destiny has made it happen as it knows that she can never be a good mother before a queen. For her the queen is the most important. IN this case, the MUZ. I read some posts on the forum saying that jalal should be able to see through ruks. He does know that she wanted to become MUZ, but has no idea that she would separate the kids from jodha only for being the MUZ. Well during the fake pregnancy, he thought that ruks did it cause he was ignoring her. So on jodha's insistence he decided to forgive her, but distanced himself from her. He does act normal with her, but it is very formal, if you notice all the scenes after the FP track. Jalal tried to put her off as gently as possible. So what jalal did was true to his character. Ruks was the one who thought that if she will dress up and shed those tears, jalal will get moved, but did you see mansi, that he hardly looked at ruks. He asked her as to why had she come to him. I think he has got it that she will only come to him when she wants something out of him. But he still feels some sense of responsibility towards ruks as she is his best friend FOR HIM(I emphasized on these words as if you have such a best friend, there is no need for an enemy). Though suttle, ruks got the message that jalal refused to separate the kids from jodha. AND THAT HUG WAS NOT REQUIRED I FELT. I KNOW HE WAS TRYING TO CONSOLE HER AND IT WAS FAKE FROM RUKAIYA'S SIDE, BUT I CAN ONLY SEE JODHA IN THAT POSITION!!!!(but that is the romantic in me).

Question?

Why did ruks ask for the younger kid, mansi? Does she plan to kill jodha and the older kid? And by asking for the younger kid, even jalal wont suspect her to be after the audha?

Jalal jodha scene:

I loved the scene when jalal came to see jodha. He just came to meet her to share what was on his mind. He had no mind to request her to give the kid to rukaiya. When he found her lovingly putting bakshi's kid to sleep, he saw the jodha who was pure and cared for others children as her own. He immediately knew that his decision was right and never even discussed it with jodha. He might have come to share what was in his mind and what rukaiya had asked him, but he stopped himself as he realised that the mere thought would hurt jodha beyond measure. He even said that rukaiya should not have called for the palna. This shows that he was never in favour of giving the child. When jodha sees that he said that ruks should not have called for the palna, she tells him that she does not mind sharing a little bit of happiness with her. Here again, she thought of sharing the child, and not giving the child to ruks permanently . Something like how she shares Rahim with salima. Jalal got the message that jodha was the most pure and selfless woman on the planet, whereas ruks did not for one minute think about jodha but only herself. Well jalal you have to still know the true colours of you supposedly best friend as calling her a friend would be ashaming friendship. I hope the fact that jodha told you that she had called for a palna in advance rings some bells in your head. He already said that there is something going on in ruks mind. It wont be long till he figures it out. And then it will be the end for ruks!!!

Sharrif jodha scene:

I seriously don't even know why am I writing about this cheapo with jodha. Did anyone see how he pinched his newborn child to get jodha's attention? I felt like murdering him. Jodha feels uncomfortable, but mansi, making an allegation like this on your brother in law is damn serious. She is not even still fully sure and doesn't have proof. And why would her mind go in that direction? Who could dream of letching the wife of the emperor of India, especially when the whole of Agra knows how possessive he is of jodha. But I do want jodha to tell him that you touched me. Even if it was by mistake I want you to be cautious not to dare do it again. Only jalal has the right to touch me.That should give that letching creep a slap across his face. Anyways, I think that he may kill the child and show that the child died naturally. Bakshi might get to know about it. I hope she doesn't support him after loosing her daughter otherwise I will lose the last shreds of sympathy I have for her.

The precap:

Well mansi, I think now jalal is going to blatantly refuse her in front of all in the DEK. Cause in private, he talked to her nicely and told her to drop the idea. But now, by taking this matter to the DEK, she has humiliated jalal in front of all. This is blackmailing and jodha will agree to give the child just so that jalal's honour is maintained. It will kill her to do it, but she will hide her pain from him. It will not be hidden from jalal. This should get him more angry on ruk. And when he gets to know it was all about audha, ruks is going to be grilled. I await the moment with bated breath. By taking the matter to the DEK, ruks has herself buried the relation which was left between her and jalal.

So those are my views on the above episode. Please share your views. I hope that this track is short cause I cant bear ruk and sharif for long. I just want jalal to rip ruks apart after this and if they are wondering what the dialogues should be, I will be the most happy one to do the job of writing the dialogues of the confrontation scene of jalal and ruks just like the confrontation between jalal and maham at the end of the sujamal track.

On the new sbb segment:

Mansi, I think for jalal's honour jodha will agree and then ruks will start taking care of jodha as one kid is hers. I hope jalal comes and sees that jodha is getting suffocated cause of this trantrik shit and fires ruks. I think this comes after bakshi's child is dead.

Originally posted by: abhi786

Mansi I liked today episode Jalaal -Ruqu & Jalaal-Jo scenes were good...

Jalaal was right to disagree that he will not snatch & give away his baby (JO's baby) from his mother... Jalaal clearly told to Ruqu he can ask anything, but he will not fulfill this wish of her... Jalaal was also right in feeling bad for Ruqu plight for not becoming a mother neither she can give birth or she can raise a kid, while BB & Jo enjoy the motherhood & have their own kids..

I liked Jalaal straight away said to Ruqu she can ask anything, but he can't fulfill her wish, as mother has more right on the child & he can't do that to Jodha..

I liked JJ scene as Jalaal understood that JO feels so much as a mother for Rahim & BB child, how can she able to bear the seperation... Jalaal thinking that his decision was right he rejected to give away baby to Ruqu, but was happy hearing from JO that she wants to share her babies with Ruqu and though of her as a women who lost her pregnancy and is childless...

If only Ruqu understood the motherhood, but now all her dreams are only about AUDA MUZ title, when her intentions will come Ruqu is going to loose everything ...

Clearly now Ruqu is using the farmaan to get her wish fulfill to take away one child of JO twin forever...

I feel the truth Ruqu real intentions & her desire for MUZ will come out before JO delivery... Jalaal will there itself refuse to give away the child, later she may try to harm JO which will lead to pre delivery of JO and kids will die later...

Originally posted by: mishtidoi

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

no... i don't think Jo will agree in DEK at all... not even for Jalal's sake... coz it gives wrong msg... this is a child-treading, damn it... even if he is a king and father of a child, he has no right (not even by law) to trade his own kid for his so called farmaan in writting... a kid can never be a salable thing offered on some piece of paper...

i want her to refuse in DEK... forget his insult... if he can't take firm stand on pretext of his words, saying child can not be transferred by some idiotic farmaan, then he is answerable for morality... and he certainly needs to make new law or amend whatever his current laws r...

anyway... let's see... but i want her to refuse giving child in DEK under some farmaan, and thus show all that as a mother , her right stands above everybody else... and then later in private she can promise the child to Ruku only when the family is present...this will calm Ruku down, and save Jalal and his izzat too... coz if Jo agrees to give her baby as per farmaan, and that too in DEK, it gives wrong msg, that anybody can manipulate Shehenshah for anything showing any stupid farmaan...so this is a no -no ... let's see what CVs show

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

no... i don't think Jo will agree in DEK at all... not even for Jalal's sake... coz it gives wrong msg... this is a child-treading, damn it... even if he is a king and father of a child, he has no right (not even by law) to trade his own kid for his so called farmaan in writting... a kid can never be a salable thing offered on some piece of paper...

i want her to refuse in DEK... forget his insult... if he can't take firm stand on pretext of his words, saying child can not be transferred by some idiotic farmaan, then he is answerable for morality... and he certainly needs to make new law or amend whatever his current laws r...

anyway... let's see... but i want her to refuse giving child in DEK under some farmaan, and thus show all that as a mother , her right stands above everybody else... and then later in private she can promise the child to Ruku only when the family is present...this will calm Ruku down, and save Jalal and his izzat too... coz if Jo agrees to give her baby as per farmaan, and that too in DEK, it gives wrong msg, that anybody can manipulate Shehenshah for anything showing any stupid farmaan...so this is a no -no ... let's see what CVs show

Originally posted by: skanda12

Karishma, we all thought that Jo may agree to give her baby to Ruq out of compassion - which would have been horrible. But now it looks like Jo will agree just to save Jalal's "maan". That is at least somewhat better! I can live with that! I cannot abode any mahaan tyaag from Jo one more time!