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Posted: 11 years ago
#81

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Mansi, I feel it is Jalal's character who is butchered here! He the all powerful Shehenshah is coming across as helpless at the hands of manipulations by Ruk.

I do not agree that Jalal said no to Ruk well enough. It was a very timid meek no. If he had been blunt and angry and told Ruk that he WILL NOT agree to this request. He will not tolerate her asking for any unreasonable wish with vehemance Ruk would have thought twice about going with the farman in DEK.

Jalal when he went to Jodha's hojara and thought that how much Jodha loves Rahim and BB's baby so he should not ask this of her - means that he got taken in by Ruk's words. What was the need to even THINK otherwise since he had said no!

Let us forget for a min what kind of mother Jodha is - does it mean that if she was not as loving Jalal would not think twice to give the baby to Ruk? So does a mother have to prove her ability for him to think she should not be separated from her baby?
Then what way EVER has Ruk shown him she is maternal feelings person capable of being a good mother?

Has he seen Ruk bond with Rahim? When Ruk is related to SB and should have far closer bond with Rahim since she would have seen him since birth?

Jalal does not know the future and should his first priority be about the babies and WHO is best person to raise them? Why did he not tell Ruk that he feels the best person to raise his waris is Jodha, her qualities is what he wants in his children.

Did Jalal learn ANYTHING at all in fake pregnancy track?

He STILL gets taken in by Ruk's fake sobs and manipulations as easily!

Did Jalal wonder WHY a woman depressed about not becoming a mother should have to dress up this way? Did a thought come to his mind that Ruk is trying to manipulate him?

So Jalal does not understand Ruk but the price is going to be paid by Jodha!

Leave alone everything else Maddy and just see these two points:
1. In the fake pregnancy Ruq was caught by Jalal smoking a hookah. What is the message in this for Jalal? What will she do or not do with Jodha's kid really in her cradle?
2. Jalal has hundreds of other begums without kids, if each of them cries crocodile tears where will he be? Are they all asking for one baby each? What logic is this that because one begum has no baby another begum's offspring have to be rationed?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Ash1991

Amazing alnysis fr an oK episode...hate rukiye...
Don't want jodha to hv 1 baby...I saw 1 pic of rukiye yesterday in the yellow dress she is wearing with open hairs looked like a witch..frm that I pic I believe that jodha might be in shock n jalal angry twih rukiye n jodha might faint cz of shock bt once she is ok thn she might agree to give the baby to rukiye.. nothing much wud happen in DEK...ruk doesn't care fr anybody be it shehenshah...
People were blaming n.badmouthing jodha on the forum when she asked jalal to pardon khyber bt I believe wt rukiye is doing is worst cz jalal already in privacy said no...

This whole idea of separating a child from its mother is ABHORRENT to me!😡😡😡😡😡
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi mansi, amazing theories.I just don't know what to say about the episode. Its just that ruks gets to me. This combination of cheapo and audha queen is the worst possible combination of a track. Though we knew that ruks was going to ask for the kid, watching it was much more horrible, cause we could see that not even for a moment did ruks want the kid for being childless, but she wanted it so that she could become the MUZ. Anyways, let me go over certain scenes and give my views.

Jalal Ruqs scene:

I know that it was an eyesore for the people who saw it and I was sitting with my hand over my head for the entire scene. Jalal did refuse as he knows what it is like to separate a kid from his mother. It just that he could not refuse harshly at that particular point of time cause ruks chose her words very well and jalal being the man he is felt sorry for her , a woman who can never become a mother. See jalal has witnessed ruks miscarriage and knows that for no fault of hers she can never become a mother. But what he does not know is that perhaps destiny has made it happen as it knows that she can never be a good mother before a queen. For her the queen is the most important. IN this case, the MUZ. I read some posts on the forum saying that jalal should be able to see through ruks. He does know that she wanted to become MUZ, but has no idea that she would separate the kids from jodha only for being the MUZ. Well during the fake pregnancy, he thought that ruks did it cause he was ignoring her. So on jodha's insistence he decided to forgive her, but distanced himself from her. He does act normal with her, but it is very formal, if you notice all the scenes after the FP track. Jalal tried to put her off as gently as possible. So what jalal did was true to his character. Ruks was the one who thought that if she will dress up and shed those tears, jalal will get moved, but did you see mansi, that he hardly looked at ruks. He asked her as to why had she come to him. I think he has got it that she will only come to him when she wants something out of him. But he still feels some sense of responsibility towards ruks as she is his best friend FOR HIM(I emphasized on these words as if you have such a best friend, there is no need for an enemy). Though suttle, ruks got the message that jalal refused to separate the kids from jodha. AND THAT HUG WAS NOT REQUIRED I FELT. I KNOW HE WAS TRYING TO CONSOLE HER AND IT WAS FAKE FROM RUKAIYA'S SIDE, BUT I CAN ONLY SEE JODHA IN THAT POSITION!!!!(but that is the romantic in me).

Question?

Why did ruks ask for the younger kid, mansi? Does she plan to kill jodha and the older kid? And by asking for the younger kid, even jalal wont suspect her to be after the audha?

Jalal jodha scene:

I loved the scene when jalal came to see jodha. He just came to meet her to share what was on his mind. He had no mind to request her to give the kid to rukaiya. When he found her lovingly putting bakshi's kid to sleep, he saw the jodha who was pure and cared for others children as her own. He immediately knew that his decision was right and never even discussed it with jodha. He might have come to share what was in his mind and what rukaiya had asked him, but he stopped himself as he realised that the mere thought would hurt jodha beyond measure. He even said that rukaiya should not have called for the palna. This shows that he was never in favour of giving the child. When jodha sees that he said that ruks should not have called for the palna, she tells him that she does not mind sharing a little bit of happiness with her. Here again, she thought of sharing the child, and not giving the child to ruks permanently . Something like how she shares Rahim with salima. Jalal got the message that jodha was the most pure and selfless woman on the planet, whereas ruks did not for one minute think about jodha but only herself. Well jalal you have to still know the true colours of you supposedly best friend as calling her a friend would be ashaming friendship. I hope the fact that jodha told you that she had called for a palna in advance rings some bells in your head. He already said that there is something going on in ruks mind. It wont be long till he figures it out. And then it will be the end for ruks!!!

Sharrif jodha scene:

I seriously don't even know why am I writing about this cheapo with jodha. Did anyone see how he pinched his newborn child to get jodha's attention? I felt like murdering him. Jodha feels uncomfortable, but mansi, making an allegation like this on your brother in law is damn serious. She is not even still fully sure and doesn't have proof. And why would her mind go in that direction? Who could dream of letching the wife of the emperor of India, especially when the whole of Agra knows how possessive he is of jodha. But I do want jodha to tell him that you touched me. Even if it was by mistake I want you to be cautious not to dare do it again. Only jalal has the right to touch me.That should give that letching creep a slap across his face. Anyways, I think that he may kill the child and show that the child died naturally. Bakshi might get to know about it. I hope she doesn't support him after loosing her daughter otherwise I will lose the last shreds of sympathy I have for her.

The precap:

Well mansi, I think now jalal is going to blatantly refuse her in front of all in the DEK. Cause in private, he talked to her nicely and told her to drop the idea. But now, by taking this matter to the DEK, she has humiliated jalal in front of all. This is blackmailing and jodha will agree to give the child just so that jalal's honour is maintained. It will kill her to do it, but she will hide her pain from him. It will not be hidden from jalal. This should get him more angry on ruk. And when he gets to know it was all about audha, ruks is going to be grilled. I await the moment with bated breath. By taking the matter to the DEK, ruks has herself buried the relation which was left between her and jalal.

So those are my views on the above episode. Please share your views. I hope that this track is short cause I cant bear ruk and sharif for long. I just want jalal to rip ruks apart after this and if they are wondering what the dialogues should be, I will be the most happy one to do the job of writing the dialogues of the confrontation scene of jalal and ruks just like the confrontation between jalal and maham at the end of the sujamal track.

On the new sbb segment:

Mansi, I think for jalal's honour jodha will agree and then ruks will start taking care of jodha as one kid is hers. I hope jalal comes and sees that jodha is getting suffocated cause of this trantrik shit and fires ruks. I think this comes after bakshi's child is dead.

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Posted: 11 years ago
#84

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

Good take , Mansi... after our sms chat last night, and after watching episode (after reading ur WU), i feel , Jo ll initially refuse to give her child in DEK, saying her baby is not some sort of a thingwhich can be traded as per wish and sign of any shehenshah...and still if other ppl like maulavis and minister go against it saying Shehenshah is supreme, and if he has given his word in writing then he has to give the baby as he is also a father to kid... and if this happens, then Salima will surely use her wish to prevent Ruku from succeeding...

and later back at palace , Jo herself will offer her one child to Ruku saying as a woman and a mother, she understands Ruku's heart... (not really Jo)... and so the entire matter will be solved and Ruku will be superhappy and start taking care of Jo and her babies...

i just wish they show, that Jo puts her condition that Ruku will get the baby only after one year or so, when he will be grown up in real proper care of it's own mother... (and we all know , kids wont live for that much time)... and Ruku will have no choice but to accept the condition, as she can't deny a kid it's right to the milk of it's mother...

so anyway, let's be sure, it will be Jo, who ll agree to Ruku's wish... how, we have to see... only, this act of her will make Jalal go more crazy and caring for this wife of his... just think there will be competition btw Jalal and Ruku , abt who ll care more for Jo... and both of them will start pampering Jo all the time... OMG... my poor Jo will surely try to find some new ways to run away from this madness😉

anyway, the thing i m confused over, is abt Jo and MA's changing relationship... like i said yest, i think CVs r planning to show Jo winning MA's heart... and if this happens, then it will be MA who ll expose Ruku in front of Jalal ... may be MA will die consuming the poison Ruku has planted for Jo after delivery, and thus she will be able to save Jo and expose Ruku... all i m now interested to see is how CVs r planning to connect all these threads together... Jo-Ruku-MA... poor Jalal... totally sidetracked in this...

anyway... blooper time... Jo was wearing that pink dress when she told Jalal that Abhimanyu story right... and yest episode was showing next day... so why Jo was still in previous night's dress? why CVs can't maintain proper continuity in such small things of leads at least???

and all in all both leads were looking too much bored throughout the episode??? like both were not interested in those scenes (including Jalal's fake kiss on Jo's forehead)... why?? have they lost interest, or r they tired due to long working hours??



Jodha will not agree for Ruk's sake, Jodha will ONLY agree for Jalal's sake. She can never stand to see him humiliated in DEK. Ruk asks for baby by using farman and it will be like he is not honoring his own words so for Jalal to not lose face in DEK Jodha will agree.

I want Jodha to put condition that Ruk will not get the baby for 1 year like you said.

Line in bold - Diksha you are scaring me! So this will be Ruk fake pregnancy track all over again with Ruk hanging around Jalal and Jodha ALL the time?

YUCK 😡


PS : has anyone noticed that Jodha and Jalal are given pathetic costumes and repeat costumes like every alternate episode but Ruk has got better costumes and brand new better jewelry!

I am sick of Jodha's pink costume she uses that in every alternate episode!
What a condition of Shehenshah and his loved Begum they do not have enough clothes to wear!

Edited by MaddyO - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#85

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Mansi, I feel it is Jalal's character who is butchered here! He the all powerful Shehenshah is coming across as helpless at the hands of manipulations by Ruk.

I do not agree that Jalal said no to Ruk well enough. It was a very timid meek no. If he had been blunt and angry and told Ruk that he WILL NOT agree to this request. He will not tolerate her asking for any unreasonable wish with vehemance Ruk would have thought twice about going with the farman in DEK.

I slightly disagree with you here, Had he been moe stern, Ruqu would have gone to Diwan E Amm instead of DEK. When a person is determined to get something, he will not think reasonably and will think of more audience to win the case. Ruqu would have asked in public that if Jalal could fulfill Jodha's wish by releasing an enemy from death trap, why can't he grant her wish to become a mother. Since no one knows her real intention, she will get the support.

Jalal when he went to Jodha's hojara and thought that how much Jodha loves Rahim and BB's baby so he should not ask this of her - means that he got taken in by Ruk's words. What was the need to even THINK otherwise since he had said no!
May be CVs want to give a hint to us that Jalal may think that if Jodha can love BB's child and Rahim so much, even Ruqu might love the kid and may take good care of it as it will be hers and Jalal's.

Let us forget for a min what kind of mother Jodha is - does it mean that if she was not as loving Jalal would not think twice to give the baby to Ruk? So does a mother have to prove her ability for him to think she should not be separated from her baby?
Then what way EVER has Ruk shown him she is maternal feelings person capable of being a good mother?
Ruqu showed her concern for Rahim during Shehenaz track (hanging) even when Nagar dropped him from the horses back. She always gave him Kajoor 😉😆
Has he seen Ruk bond with Rahim? When Ruk is related to SB and should have far closer bond with Rahim since she would have seen him since birth?

But whenever she came across Rahim, she was good to him. So let us discount this that she never cared for the kid.
Jalal does not know the future and should his first priority be about the babies and WHO is best person to raise them? Why did he not tell Ruk that he feels the best person to raise his waris is Jodha, her qualities is what he wants in his children.

See he is her husband and he knows the reality that she can't be a mother ever. So he can't rub the salt on her wound by saying you can't be a good mother and only Jodha has better qualities. For we viewers she is the second priority but for Jalal she is his wife, he can't be rude to her while she was pleading with helplessness that when she was asking for Jodha's child (of whom she had been hating). If she had even 1% chance of becoming a mother herself, she would never have thought of asking for Jodha's child. So as a husband, he needs to be considerate to her.

Did Jalal learn ANYTHING at all in fake pregnancy track?

Yes, he feels that she has stuck with the truth of not becoming a mother and has become desperate experience those feelings and that is why, she is trying hard to pose herself as a pregnant so that she can experience the love and affection a lady gets during her pregnancy and now she wants to experience the feeling of a mother and so she asked the child.

He STILL gets taken in by Ruk's fake sobs and manipulations as easily!

Did Jalal wonder WHY a woman depressed about not becoming a mother should have to dress up this way? Did a thought come to his mind that Ruk is trying to manipulate him?
Ruqu always cares for her dressing sense whenever she goes in front of Jalal, so it might not even registered in his mind that she had overly dressed for the occasion that too after hearing her request. BUt in the beginning he looked bewildered seeing her like that.

So Jalal does not understand Ruk but the price is going to be paid by Jodha!
Jalal doesn't understand anyone to that fact, had he understood people correctly, he would not have pardoned Sharif, he would not have kept Maham alive and that too he would not have allowed her visitors.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Mansi I liked today episode Jalaal -Ruqu & Jalaal-Jo scenes were good...

Jalaal was right to disagree that he will not snatch & give away his baby (JO's baby) from his mother... Jalaal clearly told to Ruqu he can ask anything, but he will not fulfill this wish of her... Jalaal was also right in feeling bad for Ruqu plight for not becoming a mother neither she can give birth or she can raise a kid, while BB & Jo enjoy the motherhood & have their own kids..

I liked Jalaal straight away said to Ruqu she can ask anything, but he can't fulfill her wish, as mother has more right on the child & he can't do that to Jodha..

I liked JJ scene as Jalaal understood that JO feels so much as a mother for Rahim & BB child, how can she able to bear the seperation... Jalaal thinking that his decision was right he rejected to give away baby to Ruqu, but was happy hearing from JO that she wants to share her babies with Ruqu and though of her as a women who lost her pregnancy and is childless...

If only Ruqu understood the motherhood, but now all her dreams are only about AUDA MUZ title, when her intentions will come Ruqu is going to loose everything ...

Clearly now Ruqu is using the farmaan to get her wish fulfill to take away one child of JO twin forever...

I feel the truth Ruqu real intentions & her desire for MUZ will come out before JO delivery... Jalaal will there itself refuse to give away the child, later she may try to harm JO which will lead to pre delivery of JO and kids will die later...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: MaddyO



Jodha will not agree for Ruk's sake, Jodha will ONLY agree for Jalal's sake. She can never stand to see him humiliated in DEK. Ruk asks for baby by using farman and it will be like he is not honoring his own words so for Jalal to not lose face in DEK Jodha will agree.

I want Jodha to put condition that Ruk will not get the baby for 1 year like you said.

Line in bold - Diksha you are scaring me! So this will be Ruk fake pregnancy track all over again with Ruk hanging around Jalal and Jodha ALL the time?

YUCK 😡


PS : has anyone noticed that Jodha and Jalal are given pathetic costumes and repeat costumes like every alternate episode but Ruk has got better costumes and brand new better jewelry!

I am sick of Jodha's pink costume she uses that in every alternate episode!
What a condition of Shehenshah and his loved Begum they do not have enough clothes to wear!

May be that is Jalal's favorite dress on Jodha.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Fab Post Mansi
@Everyone...How you all come with so many tracks and theories...its amazing👏😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: MaddyO



Jodha will not agree for Ruk's sake, Jodha will ONLY agree for Jalal's sake. She can never stand to see him humiliated in DEK. Ruk asks for baby by using farman and it will be like he is not honoring his own words so for Jalal to not lose face in DEK Jodha will agree.

I want Jodha to put condition that Ruk will not get the baby for 1 year like you said.

Line in bold - Diksha you are scaring me! So this will be Ruk fake pregnancy track all over again with Ruk hanging around Jalal and Jodha ALL the time?

YUCK 😡


PS : has anyone noticed that Jodha and Jalal are given pathetic costumes and repeat costumes like every alternate episode but Ruk has got better costumes and brand new better jewelry!

I am sick of Jodha's pink costume she uses that in every alternate episode!
What a condition of Shehenshah and his loved Begum they do not have enough clothes to wear!



no... i don't think Jo will agree in DEK at all... not even for Jalal's sake... coz it gives wrong msg... this is a child-treading, damn it... even if he is a king and father of a child, he has no right (not even by law) to trade his own kid for his so called farmaan in writting... a kid can never be a salable thing offered on some piece of paper...

i want her to refuse in DEK... forget his insult... if he can't take firm stand on pretext of his words, saying child can not be transferred by some idiotic farmaan, then he is answerable for morality... and he certainly needs to make new law or amend whatever his current laws r...

anyway... let's see... but i want her to refuse giving child in DEK under some farmaan, and thus show all that as a mother , her right stands above everybody else... and then later in private she can promise the child to Ruku only when the family is present...this will calm Ruku down, and save Jalal and his izzat too... coz if Jo agrees to give her baby as per farmaan, and that too in DEK, it gives wrong msg, that anybody can manipulate Shehenshah for anything showing any stupid farmaan...so this is a no -no ... let's see what CVs show
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Posted: 11 years ago
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What if after hearing she might faint or just leave from DEK
and then jalal refuse again

then jj convo where she accept to save his words

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