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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: JAfanCharu


Thank you Sindhu 😊 .

I know that I should not allow Rukku to get on my nerves but I cannot help it , Lavina Tandon has the ability to do so with her power packed acting . It scares me to think that there are people with her kind of personality , existing in real life too .
Like you said some people will never change . I am curious to see the kind of punishment Jalal has in store for her .


There are more people like Ruq than Jodha in the world. 😕

As far as the show goes, the CVs have been kind to the villains at all times, including their exit. So I don't foresee any "real" punishment for Ruq, except perhaps Jalal distancing himself from her, like he has done with Maham. But like Maham has everyone's sympathy, including Jodha's, Ruq too may have the harem's sympathy. 😕
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0


There are more people like Ruq than Jodha in the world. 😕

As far as the show goes, the CVs have been kind to the villains at all times, including their exit. So I don't foresee any "real" punishment for Ruq, except perhaps Jalal distancing himself from her, like he has done with Maham. But like Maham has everyone's sympathy, including Jodha's, Ruq too may have the harem's sympathy. 😕


Hi Radhika .

I agree . Rukku is fearful of getting exposed by Maham . Coming to think of it , both Maham and Rukku are birds of the same feather , only their wicked plans and implementation varied . The 'mother-like' figure did not want Jalal to become a father , because she did not want any biological successors to the Mughal throne . She wanted her son to have the ruling power . Rukkaiyya wants Jalal's baby , to get the title of MUZ and the 'powers' accompanying it . Both the ladies are power crazy . However I feel that punishing Rukku by just distancing himself from her is not good enough . He needs to make her realize that 'audha' , power and control are not the supreme qualities of a queen . How the Creatives take the Jalal -- Rukaiyya relationship forward will be interesting to watch .

However , since Rukku is his first wife , I too think that Jalal will not punish her severely . Moreover he has to maintain his/her and the dignity of the Sultanate , so he may not even expose her wrongdoings to the mahal wasis ( even though Rukaiyya has never behaved with the dignity befitting a queen ) . Jodha has been an important influence in his forgiving Maham , however , I do not want to see Jodha doing the same with Rukku . This time the matter is about her babies . Forgetting about saving the relationship between Jalal and Rukku , she should stand up for the relationship between her and her babies that Rukku had wanted to destroy . She should be shown as a dutiful mother .
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Posted: 11 years ago

Jodha-Akbar :: September 18, 2014

" When THE going gets TOUGH, THE tough gets GOING.!!. "


I liked this Episode a lot. It was ALL i could DEMAND from the CV's in context of Jo-Ja..
So, it was REVERSE psychology by Jodha, in Play today...I liked the Dialogues of both Jodha-Jalal...Both made sense...

Jodha was MUTE before MA..
Jalal was MUTE before Jodha..
Yet, both were speaking CLEARLY by their Eyes..Jodha acted as a LINK between Jalal and MA.!!. She was a LINK between a mother and her Son..

I was thinking, would Jalal be able to forgive himself, had he NOT been able to see his Foster Mother before her death once.?. As far as i have understood the REEL Jalal, no matter how much he hates his enemy, BUT the CANDLE of "humanity" Kindles in HIM...When he can show humane behavior with his enemy after wars(like Paronkh), then yeh to uski Badi Ammi hai...!!!!.

No doubt MUZ is given a place comparable to a Gem-Studded Rock in Akbar's life..!!!
This is how i always wanted the relation of Jo-Ja to be...And, i am getting this since, the Takhth burning scene...Jodha-The Empress and Wife + Jalal...


Jodha

She was a Queen who talked of "Raj-Dharma" with Jalal , AND also a wife, who knew and understood her husband well, and better than anyone...I liked the fact that TODAY she was counting the sins as well as virtues of MA...She knew as a State-Offender, MA does NOT deserve any slack treatment, but but but, there is something called HUMAN bond as well..She was given well written dialogues

Jalal

"I am THE King, but i am A SON too..!!!!.. "...

Jodha and Jalal are different, and this is what i could see today...They are Royals, and at the same time they have human relations like any other common person...The Episode brought forth the Strong REBELLING Human Emotions into Play...The Emperor was NOT ready to BEND, but the SON in HIM was clearly extending it's stronghold over the Emperor...!!!!!

Precap:

The Son prevails ... The Emperor leaves his identity behind, and proceeds towards his Mother...
I bet, it's going to be a power-packed Episode..Don't Miss it..

Future Plots:

About Ruqs, the less said is better...We also saw a glimpse of Sharif...Come Monday, and we are going to witness the Dual Track of Sharif and Ruqs, as far as i feel...

So, how was the Episode today .?.


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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek


Jodha-Akbar :: September 18, 2014

" When THE going gets TOUGH, THE tough gets GOING.!!. "


I liked this Episode a lot. It was ALL i could DEMAND from the CV's in context of Jo-Ja..
So, it was REVERSE psychology by Jodha, in Play today...I liked the Dialogues of both Jodha-Jalal...Both made sense...

Jodha was MUTE before MA..
Jalal was MUTE before Jodha..
Yet, both were speaking CLEARLY by their Eyes..Jodha acted as a LINK between Jalal and MA.!!. She was a LINK between a mother and her Son..

I was thinking, would Jalal be able to forgive himself, had he NOT been able to see his Foster Mother before her death once.?. As far as i have understood the REEL Jalal, no matter how much he hates his enemy, BUT the CANDLE of "humanity" Kindles in HIM...When he can show humane behavior with his enemy after wars(like Paronkh), then yeh to uski Badi Ammi hai...!!!!.

No doubt MUZ is given a place comparable to a Gem-Studded Rock in Akbar's life..!!!
This is how i always wanted the relation of Jo-Ja to be...And, i am getting this since, the Takhth burning scene...Jodha-The Empress and Wife + Jalal...


Jodha

She was a Queen who talked of "Raj-Dharma" with Jalal , AND also a wife, who knew and understood her husband well, and better than anyone...I liked the fact that TODAY she was counting the sins as well as virtues of MA...She knew as a State-Offender, MA does NOT deserve any slack treatment, but but but, there is something called HUMAN bond as well..She was given well written dialogues

Jalal

"I am THE King, but i am A SON too..!!!!.. "...

Jodha and Jalal are different, and this is what i could see today...They are Royals, and at the same time they have human relations like any other common person...The Episode brought forth the Strong REBELLING Human Emotions into Play...The Emperor was NOT ready to BEND, but the SON in HIM was clearly extending it's stronghold over the Emperor...!!!!!

Precap:

The Son prevails ... The Emperor leaves his identity behind, and proceeds towards his Mother...
I bet, it's going to be a power-packed Episode..Don't Miss it..

Future Plots:

About Ruqs, the less said is better...We also saw a glimpse of Sharif...Come Monday, and we are going to witness the Dual Track of Sharif and Ruqs, as far as i feel...

So, how was the Episode today .?.




Hi Abhay,

Though I'm relatively new to this forum i have read all your historical and non historical posts and
have been a silent reader mostly but i would like to let u know that I admire ur passion for history and your exemplary writing skills..I"m happy that we got again a chance to read your posts. please do keep up. writing ..

and reg the episode ... You have beautifully summed up everything an i'm loving all the episodes the whole of this week .
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Posted: 11 years ago

Episode was Superb. (18 sep, Thursday )

Liked Jodha ans to Ruk, Why Ruk everytime Recalls, One child is Her. So Ruk can't dominates Jodha;, today episode showed it.

Happy, jodha ans, She Has taken permission, from Jalal, Ruk kee Tai tai fish😆 😆

Liked Jodha attitude,Where there is a Will there is a way⭐️ ⭐️

So Maham last staze, wants to meet Son Jalal not king, Jalal./

Liked, Jodha Reverse, psychology, To , Convience Jalal, she knows, straight way, Bat Nahi bangi;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;But yes Dialgoues, or acting wise, things improving.

Liked, Jodha, You should see your Own feelings, As a Son, not as a King, Come out as a Human;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Great;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;👏 👏


Song;;Torra Mann Darpan, Kahalaye, Jagg see chahe, Bhag Loo Chahe , Mann see bhag naa Paye

So face Reality, Reality facing is a tough Job,😆

So clear showed today, Human realtionship, +Humaity Growing in Also Jalal side Which was supress Unconcious Level.

Jodha indirectely, Knock, today, which point needed, To Be Hurt, or wakeing Up, Sometime.

Indirect treatment is necessary.;;;;;;;;;;;;;Because After that treatment, Which Comes, Growth Us;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Outer +inner. So Jodha is Doing same treatment.

Maham what did totally wrong,;;;;;;;;;But Meeting Maham Is a different Point;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;It not means;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Jalal is forgiving Maham For her Bad deeds;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;He is meeting, because, Maham has done some Good deeds for Jalal;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;realtionship not finish,at sudden.

Liked, Jalal is accepting, Truth, He said, He now Not want to Listen Any against Maham,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Feeling comes, Which Disturbance has come, Maham & Jalal;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;No body Right To, Raise that points. Its Only Maham & Jalal Matter.

But interesting point is this, jodha is Knocking, Because she wants this point needed this time to be knocked.

Edited by ayushimehra - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek


Jodha-Akbar :: September 18, 2014

" When THE going gets TOUGH, THE tough gets GOING.!!. "


I liked this Episode a lot. It was ALL i could DEMAND from the CV's in context of Jo-Ja..
So, it was REVERSE psychology by Jodha, in Play today...I liked the Dialogues of both Jodha-Jalal...Both made sense...

Jodha was MUTE before MA..
Jalal was MUTE before Jodha..
Yet, both were speaking CLEARLY by their Eyes..Jodha acted as a LINK between Jalal and MA.!!. She was a LINK between a mother and her Son..

I was thinking, would Jalal be able to forgive himself, had he NOT been able to see his Foster Mother before her death once.?. As far as i have understood the REEL Jalal, no matter how much he hates his enemy, BUT the CANDLE of "humanity" Kindles in HIM...When he can show humane behavior with his enemy after wars(like Paronkh), then yeh to uski Badi Ammi hai...!!!!.

No doubt MUZ is given a place comparable to a Gem-Studded Rock in Akbar's life..!!!
This is how i always wanted the relation of Jo-Ja to be...And, i am getting this since, the Takhth burning scene...Jodha-The Empress and Wife + Jalal...


Jodha

She was a Queen who talked of "Raj-Dharma" with Jalal , AND also a wife, who knew and understood her husband well, and better than anyone...I liked the fact that TODAY she was counting the sins as well as virtues of MA...She knew as a State-Offender, MA does NOT deserve any slack treatment, but but but, there is something called HUMAN bond as well..She was given well written dialogues

Jalal

"I am THE King, but i am A SON too..!!!!.. "...

Jodha and Jalal are different, and this is what i could see today...They are Royals, and at the same time they have human relations like any other common person...The Episode brought forth the Strong REBELLING Human Emotions into Play...The Emperor was NOT ready to BEND, but the SON in HIM was clearly extending it's stronghold over the Emperor...!!!!!

Precap:

The Son prevails ... The Emperor leaves his identity behind, and proceeds towards his Mother...
I bet, it's going to be a power-packed Episode..Don't Miss it..

Future Plots:

About Ruqs, the less said is better...We also saw a glimpse of Sharif...Come Monday, and we are going to witness the Dual Track of Sharif and Ruqs, as far as i feel...

So, how was the Episode today .?.



Excellent analysis of today's episode Abhay .

I have nothing more to add , you have said it all so beautifully .

I am seeing Jodha's own motherly feelings coming to the fore . This is helping her see the pain in the grieving and dying Mahamanga . She realizes that despite her horrendous actions towards Jalal , the motherly part in her still does love the infant prince Jalal that she had raised . It was the same motherly feelings for her biological child that pushed her to conspire against the son that she had nursed. The Creatives have done an awesome job showcasing the feelings of motherly love and bond , accompanied by sensitive , meaningful dialogues .
PARIDHI SHARMA WAS OUTSTANDING TODAY .👏 👏 👏 👏 . Cannot wait to see the interaction between Jalal and badi ammi tomorrow, when he will give her a teary send off .


As an afterthought , I am going to add these lines :

The feelings of 'mamta' that have risen in Jodha today are going to get stronger and help her rethink her decision of agreeing to part with one of the twins .

Rukaiyya may angrily question Jalal of his decision on agreeing with Jodha's request to meet with Mahamamga one last time , thereby fueling the existing suspicion in his mind about her sudden interest in Jodha's welfare .



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Edited by JAfanCharu - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: ayushimehra


Episode was Superb. (18 sep, Thursday )

Liked Jodha ans to Ruk, Why Ruk everytime Recalls, One child is Her. So Ruk can't dominates Jodha;, today episode showed it.

Happy, jodha ans, She Has taken permission, from Jalal, Ruk kee Tai tai fish😆 😆

Liked Jodha attitude,Where there is a Will there is a way⭐️ ⭐️

So Maham last staze, wants to meet Son Jalal not king, Jalal./

Liked, Jodha Reverse, psychology, To , Convience Jalal, she knows, straight way, Bat Nahi bangi;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;But yes Dialgoues, or acting wise, things improving.

Liked, Jodha, You should see your Own feelings, As a Son, not as a King, Come out as a Human;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Great;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;👏 👏


Song;;Torra Mann Darpan, Kahalaye, Jagg see chahe, Bhag Loo Chahe , Mann see bhag naa Paye

So face Reality, Reality facing is a tough Job,😆

So clear showed today, Human realtionship, +Humaity Growing in Also Jalal side Which was supress Unconcious Level.

Jodha indirectely, Knock, today, which point needed, To Be Hurt, or wakeing Up, Sometime.

Indirect treatment is necessary.;;;;;;;;;;;;;Because After that treatment, Which Comes, Growth Us;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Outer +inner. So Jodha is Doing same treatment.

Maham what did totally wrong,;;;;;;;;;But Meeting Maham Is a different Point;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;It not means;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Jalal is forgiving Maham For her Bad deeds;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;He is meeting, because, Maham has done some Good deeds for Jalal;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;realtionship not finish,at sudden.

Perfect post Ayushi.
Do take care
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: prav2



Hi Abhay,

Though I'm relatively new to this forum i have read all your historical and non historical posts and
have been a silent reader mostly but i would like to let u know that I admire ur passion for history and your exemplary writing skills..I"m happy that we got again a chance to read your posts. please do keep up. writing ..

and reg the episode ... You have beautifully summed up everything an i'm loving all the episodes the whole of this week .



Thank You Prav.. I am glad to hear from you.. It really feels nice to see that "those" posts were loved by so many friends here.. I try to write whenever possible...Do join us often here... Don't be silent now. 😊

Edited by history_geek - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek


Jodha-Akbar :: September 18, 2014

" When THE going gets TOUGH, THE tough gets GOING.!!. "


I liked this Episode a lot. It was ALL i could DEMAND from the CV's in context of Jo-Ja..
So, it was REVERSE psychology by Jodha, in Play today...I liked the Dialogues of both Jodha-Jalal...Both made sense...

Jodha was MUTE before MA..
Jalal was MUTE before Jodha..
Yet, both were speaking CLEARLY by their Eyes..Jodha acted as a LINK between Jalal and MA.!!. She was a LINK between a mother and her Son..

I was thinking, would Jalal be able to forgive himself, had he NOT been able to see his Foster Mother before her death once.?. As far as i have understood the REEL Jalal, no matter how much he hates his enemy, BUT the CANDLE of "humanity" Kindles in HIM...When he can show humane behavior with his enemy after wars(like Paronkh), then yeh to uski Badi Ammi hai...!!!!.

No doubt MUZ is given a place comparable to a Gem-Studded Rock in Akbar's life..!!!
This is how i always wanted the relation of Jo-Ja to be...And, i am getting this since, the Takhth burning scene...Jodha-The Empress and Wife + Jalal...


Jodha

She was a Queen who talked of "Raj-Dharma" with Jalal , AND also a wife, who knew and understood her husband well, and better than anyone...I liked the fact that TODAY she was counting the sins as well as virtues of MA...She knew as a State-Offender, MA does NOT deserve any slack treatment, but but but, there is something called HUMAN bond as well..She was given well written dialogues

Jalal

"I am THE King, but i am A SON too..!!!!.. "...

Jodha and Jalal are different, and this is what i could see today...They are Royals, and at the same time they have human relations like any other common person...The Episode brought forth the Strong REBELLING Human Emotions into Play...The Emperor was NOT ready to BEND, but the SON in HIM was clearly extending it's stronghold over the Emperor...!!!!!

Precap:

The Son prevails ... The Emperor leaves his identity behind, and proceeds towards his Mother...
I bet, it's going to be a power-packed Episode..Don't Miss it..

Future Plots:

About Ruqs, the less said is better...We also saw a glimpse of Sharif...Come Monday, and we are going to witness the Dual Track of Sharif and Ruqs, as far as i feel...

So, how was the Episode today .?.



Awesome, as usual...👏

Episode was fantastic...⭐️

Jodha - Ruq Confrontation


The moment I was waiting for finally arrived today! Finally Jodha put Ruq firmly in her place by making it CLEAR to her that SHE (Jodha) had WILLINGLY given HER CHILD to Ruq and in lieu of this, Ruq could not control her MOVEMENTS.

Ruq was left grumbling to herself - she couldn't understand how Jodha managed to get Jalal's permission to meet Maham. She has been around Jalal for a long time now but she still doesn't understand what Maham means to Jalal. AND she still doesn't understand that Jalal can never say No to Jodha. 😆


Jodha - Maham Talk


Jodha informed Maham that she really wanted to do something for her. Somewhere this touched a chord in Maham, who has been lying in solitary confinement, with no one caring to see whether she was dead or alive.

Maham was desperate to meet Jalal, her SON, and hear him call her BA once before she died. Most people know when they are going to die and Maham also possibly knew. Deep in her heart, she knew that if anyone could bring Jalal to her once, it was Jodha, the fiery Rajput, who would die but not let her word go astray.

Even if she didn't get to see Jalal, Maham was desperate to talk to a fellow human being. She wanted to open up her heart to someone who would listen to her plaints without protest and she found a kindred soul in Jodha.

Maham never fails to confuse me and raise conflicting emotions in me. I gather she did do a lot for Jalal initially. But her lust for power and her blind love for her son made her lose her (foster) son herself.

I will elaborate on Maham later.😊

Jodha - Jalal Relationship


As you mentioned, Jodha seemed to be applying reverse psychology on Jalal and she seems to have succeeded.

Will post more on this later. 😊

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: ayushimehra


Episode was Superb. (18 sep, Thursday )

Liked Jodha ans to Ruk, Why Ruk everytime Recalls, One child is Her. So Ruk can't dominates Jodha;, today episode showed it.

Happy, jodha ans, She Has taken permission, from Jalal, Ruk kee Tai tai fish😆 😆

Liked Jodha attitude,Where there is a Will there is a way⭐️ ⭐️

So Maham last staze, wants to meet Son Jalal not king, Jalal./

Liked, Jodha Reverse, psychology, To , Convience Jalal, she knows, straight way, Bat Nahi bangi;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;But yes Dialgoues, or acting wise, things improving.

Liked, Jodha, You should see your Own feelings, As a Son, not as a King, Come out as a Human;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Great;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;👏 👏


Song;;Torra Mann Darpan, Kahalaye, Jagg see chahe, Bhag Loo Chahe , Mann see bhag naa Paye

So face Reality, Reality facing is a tough Job,😆

So clear showed today, Human realtionship, +Humaity Growing in Also Jalal side Which was supress Unconcious Level.

Jodha indirectely, Knock, today, which point needed, To Be Hurt, or wakeing Up, Sometime.

Indirect treatment is necessary.;;;;;;;;;;;;;Because After that treatment, Which Comes, Growth Us;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Outer +inner. So Jodha is Doing same treatment.

Maham what did totally wrong,;;;;;;;;;But Meeting Maham Is a different Point;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;It not means;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Jalal is forgiving Maham For her Bad deeds;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;He is meeting, because, Maham has done some Good deeds for Jalal;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;realtionship not finish,at sudden.

Liked, Jalal is accepting, Truth, He said, He now Not want to Listen Any against Maham,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Feeling comes, Which Disturbance has come, Maham & Jalal;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;No body Right To, Raise that points. Its Only Maham & Jalal Matter.

But interesting point is this, jodha is Knocking, Because she wants this point needed this time to be knocked.



Nice Post Ayushi especially the last lines.. 😊


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