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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: SindhuMenon



Thanks Charu. I am actually trying to write now, inspired by all of you actually. Writing has never been my forte recently after coming to this forum and seeing all the talented writers here, I am taking baby steps...More than writing I am good at giving lectures..:):) now u know why my heart starts pounding when I hear the word Bhashan..



Sindhu , I am sure that the nature of your 'bhashans' are also positive and unbiased like your posts . Please write more often . Actually , you very sensibly and simply put forth your points which some of us do 'fancily' . I loved today's episode . Have already watched it several times after getting back from work . Waiting eagerly to catch up the tv telecast at night . So you can gauge the level of my addiction .
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: JAfanCharu


Sindhu , I am sure that the nature of your 'bhashans' are also positive and unbiased like your posts . Please write more often . Actually , you very sensibly and simply put forth your points which some of us do 'fancily' . I loved today's episode . Have already watched it several times after getting back from work . Waiting eagerly to catch up the tv telecast at night . So you can gauge the level of my addiction .



thanks Charu. me too, watched it many times and waiting for the tv telecast. I sort of do this daily. this is the only serial I watch and I am addicted to this as well.

Though I loved the first Akdha Scene, if I have to pick a favorite in todays ep, it would be the last scene.It was awesome .
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: JAfanCharu


Sindhu , I am sure that the nature of your 'bhashans' are also positive and unbiased like your posts . Please write more often . Actually , you very sensibly and simply put forth your points which some of us do 'fancily' . I loved today's episode . Have already watched it several times after getting back from work . Waiting eagerly to catch up the tv telecast at night . So you can gauge the level of my addiction .

Charu , Sindhu writes very well.Whatever you write " dil se. " is the best.Instead of fancying around I like the simplicity in writing which she has.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Rashmi81

Charu , Sindhu writes very well.Whatever you write " dil se. " is the best.Instead of fancying around I like the simplicity in writing which she has.


Yes , agreed Rashmi . That is exactly what I had said too .😊
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Abhay, Charu, Lasya,

I agree that Jodha is being her true, noble self in dealing with Maham.

You know, what they say, we hate that in others which we most hate in ourselves. This innate, natural-born goodness of Jodha bugs me sometimes when the recipient is a no-gooder or an ingrate. 😊

My mother inculcated this doctrine of doing good to others, even if they are boors of the worst order, from childhood to such an extent that even when I don't want to be good to someone, I subconsciously end up doing so, much to my consternation. Of course, I expect Jodha is much nobler than me and she would never have such unholy thoughts about doing good.

The whole idea behind Jodha being good to Maham, in spite of Maham's churlishness to her, is that one who is truly good will be good with anyone and not just with those who are good to them in return. This is a highly ideal situation. Many times, Jo has proved this to be true.

But what vexes me is practically, how far should one be good to a person who is on her deathbed but still unrepentant. (I know Maham will soon turn a new leaf and accept Jodha. But right now, this has not happened. The discussion precedes that scenario.)

Shouldn't one also think in terms of "punishing" that person for her crimes or reforming her?

Maham has done enough harm to Jalal and his family. Can Jodha alone forgive her on behalf of Jalal?

Does Maham deserve this kind of love and attention, after all her misspent life?

Why is it important to make Maham wish to live, by even lying for this purpose? I don't mind the lie, per se. That's a white lie spoken for a cause. It's the cause I am doubtful about. What good will come if Maham lives? Is it only because she is Jalal's foster mother?

Please help me out here in seeking these answers. 😊
PS: This post is NOT anti-Jodha. I love Jodha as much, if not more, as any other Jodha lover here on the forum. This post is only to understand if her attitude to Maham is practical.




Can Jodha Alone Forgive her on Behave Of Jalal ?

Ques is Not Forgiving for Not forgiving.

Ques, is Only Humanity;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Ques Rise, Why Maham Type person treat With Humanity

So ( 15 sep episode your ques ans.) Read below, specially Peace, &Physcholigist points.

Jodha is what doing, A doctor does, But Doctor, not attach us fully, He Only attach, When we are taking treatment, Not fully, after Seeing patient, He sees Other patient, Suppose, Maham type personalites, More in Jail;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;She Will use This Method. Lookafter + Fully Attaching have a difference. She is not attaching her Bad deeds. But as a human she wants
she will not die, Cause of Illness.Or AK, Wishes in Heart.

She wants;;;;;;;;;;;;;;for her, she will Die Peaceful death;;;;;;;;;;;So her concious will not feel toughness in Last Time.

Yesterday Episode, I liked again Jodha Transperent, Vision. She is Aware, Also Her Childs, But As A Queen She is Tackling Maham Point also. Or As A Wife, She is Cleared, Jalal is feeling Pain Cause of Maham Bad Duva;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

HB, Ruk, Even Jalal all are Worried about Maham Bad Bellesings, & They Trying to Sort Out

,Through Different methods. So Bad DUVA, Will Not Effect.

Here Previous Episode Jodha Cleared, She is not Worring About Maham Curse, But she is praying For Maham Peace.;;;;;;;;;;;

Acc to Jodha Peace is Which Method, Which Consoles Us, Gives Power to Think Right &wrong, Then Automatically We think, What we Did in Past or Doing in Future Wrong or Right.;;;;;;;;;;;;;If Maham will feel Peace,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Then she will think,How she Fooled Everone, & Did Wrong;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;This Will change & come some Human Qualites,
in Maham;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;or XYZ, Maham type Prisioners, This Change Jodha Wants. Khyber Also changed in Past.

Jodha vision of Clearity, Mostely, Amzing. She Knows situations difference. this time, She knows Difference of Badcursing, +Maham illnessness.
She knows how to tackle this situation, & she tackled. Liked Jodha honestely shared it Jalal,
I am not fearing, Bad blessings of Maham. I am praying for her Peace;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Its, Great thought;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Here Couple Understaning Great;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Jalal leaved, I not stop you,


She (JODHA )is using, Accurate Method (ZAVEDA ) Which will Work 100% sure This way, Maham Can Eat food. She got Hint From Reshum, & She tackled Situation, Kindfully,+She Understand, Situation Demand, Also As A Queen or As A GOOD HUMAN Being, Liked She said;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Maham what did Wrong,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;But This situation How Can i Leave Humanity.


Agree, Queen duti is not Easy. Sometimes Acc to situation, decesion needed. Maham or XYZ, if getting Punishment;;;;;;;;;;;She has no problem. Problem is this, Prisioner is Leaving food, +not taking treatement;;;;;;;;;;;;;Or Going to Lack of Will Power near Death.If we see today in 21 cen;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Docotrs provids, to Prisioners;;;;;;;;;;;;;Doctores, treat prisioners.
Even Mazor criminal or Others cases, Physchologists Needed. Doctores not says they did Major crime we will not treat these patients.

Same Jodha Doing. Queen duty is to Blance+Proper decesion making also. Humanity is a Big factor;;;;; Tough situations she is blancing this Quality;;;;;;;;;;;Suerly she is appriciable.⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️



But Maham is Not changing, She has no Guilt, What she did in Past Wrong

She is Happy for Zaveda, not For Jodha,I recalled a Story;

A, Sadhu is Bathing in River, & Bichoou, Cut His Hands, & Fall Down In River,Sadhu, Picked,

Otherwise He (Bichoou, Will be Drowned. ) He again Cut, Bleeding start in Sadu Hand, But He not Leaved his Kind Nature, Atleast, Someone Asked, Why Are you Doing Again Again
Sadhu Ans'ed;;;;;;;;;;;;;;If Bichoou, is Not Leaving His Nature, How Can I leave. So Its depends On individual Nature.



But Ques, Speaking Lie, i think, Jodha Moto is Only If Maham Will die, Cause of Hunger +Lackof will Power, Thats Not Right, But If she Will die, Natural, Then She Has No Problem.
Because She said Previous;;;;;;;;;;;;;She Can, not Do this Case, Nothing. But Reshum, Pressurise Her,

Actually jodha type Personalites belive, if a Bad Person little change, So this is Good thing for socity;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Because Goodness is not a easy thing. Little goodness
also work better then More Bad work.

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Posted: 11 years ago
September 17th


Nice Episode, esp. after yesterday's ...Every episode can not be based on Just JJ, as there are SO MANY people in their lives...But, an Episode like yesterday should be shown at least sometimes, if not always.

Precap was Reverse Psychology by Jodha..And, i tell you, i am LOVING this. I guess precap will be shown in the end of tomorrows' episode and then on Friday we have MA's end..

Will not miss even a second of tomorrow's episode in the starting, as i WANT to see Jodha going to MA, despite Ruqayya's denial...

The CV's are very nicely shifting towards next track..>>>> Day by Day , we are watching Ruqayya's possessiveness for Jodha's Kids..


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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek

September 17th


Nice Episode, esp. after yesterday's ...Every episode can not be based on Just JJ, as there are SO MANY people in their lives...But, an Episode like yesterday should be shown at least sometimes, if not always.

Precap was Reverse Psychology by Jodha..And, i tell you, i am LOVING this. I guess precap will be shown in the end of tomorrows' episode and then on Friday we have MA's end..

Will not miss even a second of tomorrow's episode in the starting, as i WANT to see Jodha going to MA, despite Ruqayya's denial...

The CV's are very nicely shifting towards next track..>>>> Day by Day , we are watching Ruqayya's possessiveness for Jodha's Kids..



I too liked today's episode a lot Abhay. The plot moved briskly with appropriate dramatic elements .

Jodha's tactics to get Jalal to reveal his innermost feelings about Mahamanga will definitely work She is using his "teda" methods against him very sensitively and appropriately too. Paridhi was superb today.

Mahamanga realizes her mistake in cursing the unborn babies of Jodha and Jalal . Ashwini was very very good as the frail , helpless , grieving Mahamanga .

Rukaiyya was at her insolent best again .I am desperately waiting for the moment when she herself will reveal her intentions in a fit of possessive rage . Mazaa ayega .

The story line is evolving so well that I have kept my fingers crossed , for this aspect not to get jinxed.I am watching the serial with renewed enthusiasm.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: ayushimehra



Can Jodha Alone Forgive her on Behave Of Jalal ?

Ques is Not Forgiving for Not forgiving.

Ques, is Only Humanity;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Ques Rise, Why Maham Type person treat With Humanity

So ( 15 sep episode your ques ans.) Read below, specially Peace, &Physcholigist points.

Jodha is what doing, A doctor does, But Doctor, not attach us fully, He Only attach, When we are taking treatment, Not fully, after Seeing patient, He sees Other patient, Suppose, Maham type personalites, More in Jail;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;She Will use This Method. Lookafter + Fully Attaching have a difference. She is not attaching her Bad deeds. But as a human she wants
she will not die, Cause of Illness.Or AK, Wishes in Heart.

She wants;;;;;;;;;;;;;;for her, she will Die Peaceful death;;;;;;;;;;;So her concious will not feel toughness in Last Time.

Yesterday Episode, I liked again Jodha Transperent, Vision. She is Aware, Also Her Childs, But As A Queen She is Tackling Maham Point also. Or As A Wife, She is Cleared, Jalal is feeling Pain Cause of Maham Bad Duva;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

HB, Ruk, Even Jalal all are Worried about Maham Bad Bellesings, & They Trying to Sort Out

,Through Different methods. So Bad DUVA, Will Not Effect.

Here Previous Episode Jodha Cleared, She is not Worring About Maham Curse, But she is praying For Maham Peace.;;;;;;;;;;;

Acc to Jodha Peace is Which Method, Which Consoles Us, Gives Power to Think Right &wrong, Then Automatically We think, What we Did in Past or Doing in Future Wrong or Right.;;;;;;;;;;;;;If Maham will feel Peace,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Then she will think,How she Fooled Everone, & Did Wrong;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;This Will change & come some Human Qualites,
in Maham;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;or XYZ, Maham type Prisioners, This Change Jodha Wants. Khyber Also changed in Past.

Jodha vision of Clearity, Mostely, Amzing. She Knows situations difference. this time, She knows Difference of Badcursing, +Maham illnessness.
She knows how to tackle this situation, & she tackled. Liked Jodha honestely shared it Jalal,
I am not fearing, Bad blessings of Maham. I am praying for her Peace;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Its, Great thought;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Here Couple Understaning Great;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Jalal leaved, I not stop you,


She (JODHA )is using, Accurate Method (ZAVEDA ) Which will Work 100% sure This way, Maham Can Eat food. She got Hint From Reshum, & She tackled Situation, Kindfully,+She Understand, Situation Demand, Also As A Queen or As A GOOD HUMAN Being, Liked She said;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Maham what did Wrong,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;But This situation How Can i Leave Humanity.


Agree, Queen duti is not Easy. Sometimes Acc to situation, decesion needed. Maham or XYZ, if getting Punishment;;;;;;;;;;;She has no problem. Problem is this, Prisioner is Leaving food, +not taking treatement;;;;;;;;;;;;;Or Going to Lack of Will Power near Death.If we see today in 21 cen;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Docotrs provids, to Prisioners;;;;;;;;;;;;;Doctores, treat prisioners.
Even Mazor criminal or Others cases, Physchologists Needed. Doctores not says they did Major crime we will not treat these patients.

Same Jodha Doing. Queen duty is to Blance+Proper decesion making also. Humanity is a Big factor;;;;; Tough situations she is blancing this Quality;;;;;;;;;;;Suerly she is appriciable.⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️



But Maham is Not changing, She has no Guilt, What she did in Past Wrong

She is Happy for Zaveda, not For Jodha,I recalled a Story;

A, Sadhu is Bathing in River, & Bichoou, Cut His Hands, & Fall Down In River,Sadhu, Picked,

Otherwise He (Bichoou, Will be Drowned. ) He again Cut, Bleeding start in Sadu Hand, But He not Leaved his Kind Nature, Atleast, Someone Asked, Why Are you Doing Again Again
Sadhu Ans'ed;;;;;;;;;;;;;;If Bichoou, is Not Leaving His Nature, How Can I leave. So Its depends On individual Nature.



But Ques, Speaking Lie, i think, Jodha Moto is Only If Maham Will die, Cause of Hunger +Lackof will Power, Thats Not Right, But If she Will die, Natural, Then She Has No Problem.
Because She said Previous;;;;;;;;;;;;;She Can, not Do this Case, Nothing. But Reshum, Pressurise Her,

Actually jodha type Personalites belive, if a Bad Person little change, So this is Good thing for socity;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Because Goodness is not a easy thing. Little goodness
also work better then More Bad work.

Wow Ayushi amazing post .
That example of sadhu is used mostly in zen philosophy.
Yes if somebody is doing bad let him do,I won't change my nature for him.
Doctors have to treat the terrorists also Though they have done bad because on the hospital bed he is not the terrorist but the patient for the doctor.
Edited by Rashmi81 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek

September 17th


Nice Episode, esp. after yesterday's ...Every episode can not be based on Just JJ, as there are SO MANY people in their lives...But, an Episode like yesterday should be shown at least sometimes, if not always.

Precap was Reverse Psychology by Jodha..And, i tell you, i am LOVING this. I guess precap will be shown in the end of tomorrows' episode and then on Friday we have MA's end..

Will not miss even a second of tomorrow's episode in the starting, as i WANT to see Jodha going to MA, despite Ruqayya's denial...

The CV's are very nicely shifting towards next track..>>>> Day by Day , we are watching Ruqayya's possessiveness for Jodha's Kids..



Hi,

About Ruq

I will start from the last sentence, if you don't mind. 😊

Ruq is not possessive of the kids. She is desperate for what the kids can bring for her - the MUZ title.

Yeah, the CVs are shifting to the next track in which, if reports are to be believed, Ruq will poison Jalal's mind against Jodha by claiming that Jodha is careless and can endanger her life as well as the lives of the babies. Ruq will also harm Jodha's baby as part of this strategy so that only her baby survives and she becomes the MUZ while Jalal throws Jodha out of her life. 😕😡

Today I was totally irritated by Ruq constantly flexing her authority over Jodha by laying claim to one of the twins and trying to make Jodha kowtow to her decisions. Ruq was acting as if Jodha was a bandi acting like a surrogate mother to Ruq's child and therefore had to listen to Ruq's advice on how to carry herself during her pregnancy.😡

If she continues like this, pretty soon, Jodha will start suspecting RUq's motives in adopting her baby. What will Jodha do then? Who will Jalal listen to? Ruq or Jodha? Of course, in the end, Ruq will be exposed and Jodha and Jalal will be united. But I hope there is no major MU between them in the interim and I esp do not want to see JJ separated (emotionally) in the aftermath of the twins' death.😕


About Maham

I also feel that she will die on Friday. Hamida told Maham that day after tmrw will be the chalisa of Adham. And Maham died that day. 😊

So we have to bear the face of Maham for 2 more days.

I was upset also with Resham. On the one hand, she is bullying Jodha into caring for Maham and carrying out her wishes. On the other hand, when Maham was cursing Jodha as a *** fool, Resham didn't utter a single word in defence of Jodha. It was so cheap on her part. 🤢 😡

When will Maham realise Jodha's gentility and accept her? Will she accept Jodha only if Jodha brings Jalal to meet Maham? Will Jodha herself mean nothing to Maham till the end and will MAham carry her arrogance to the grave or will she repent?

About Hamida

Hamida is practical today. She sticks to JAlal's decision and does not get swayed by emotion.

But all that is in front of Jodha. Afterwards, she herself goes to meet Maham and cry bucketsful.

The whole purpose of Hamida going to meet Maham seems to be two-fold:

1. Maham realises Jodha lied to her. What will she do now?
2. Hamida informs us that the chalisa is day after tomorrow.

Really the Mughals were a right royal family to weigh the sins and loyalties of Maham and decide that she was more loyal than a traitor and that she deserved loads of TLC in her last days, in spite of trying to kill the emperor, snatch his throne and curse his unborn babies. 🤢


About Jodha

Jodha was her usual self, trying to do the right thing by Maham, in spite of being told to ignore Maham by Hamida, Jalal and Ruq, not to mention, Moti and Zakira.

The only person who supported her was Salima, but then Salima was being herself too. She is destined to be the OSD for Jodha all her life, at least in the show.

But today Jodha showed flashes of a fiery spirit I had long given up hopes of ever seeing again, when Ruq tried to dictate terms to her by claiming that she could order Jodha around because Jodha was carrying "her child". In the end, Ruq tries to stop Jodha from going to meet Maham by forcibly holding her by her hand. Wonder how Jodha manages to escape from her clutches.


About Jalal

I have seen one thing. If Jalal is miffed with Ruq, it lasts hardly one episode. But if Jalal is miffed with Jodha, it lasts many episodes. Jalal was still miffed with Jodha today and told her that he wouldn't change Maham's punishment. In fact, he was not willing to even talk to her or look at her.

At least, he allowed her to meet Maham. That was proof that he couldn't really completely say No to Jodha. 😊

Precap


I agree, Jodha seems to be using reverse psychology (learnt from Mainavati ?) on Jalal to make him visit Maham. 😊

Overall, the episode was good but felt a bit sad to see Jalal being a bit reserved with Jodha today. 😕



Great review!!! 👏


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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: JAfanCharu


I too liked today's episode a lot Abhay. The plot moved briskly with appropriate dramatic elements .

Jodha's tactics to get Jalal to reveal his innermost feelings about Mahamanga will definitely work She is using his "teda" methods against him very sensitively and appropriately too. Paridhi was superb today.

Mahamanga realizes her mistake in cursing the unborn babies of Jodha and Jalal . Ashwini was very very good as the frail , helpless , grieving Mahamanga .

Rukaiyya was at her insolent best again .I am desperately waiting for the moment when she herself will reveal her intentions in a fit of possessive rage . Mazaa ayega .

The story line is evolving so well that I have kept my fingers crossed , for this aspect not to get jinxed.I am watching the serial with renewed enthusiasm.


Charu

I didn't feel Maham realised her mistake in cursing Jalal's kids. She felt that Jodha had taken revenge on her for the sake of the curse. She was deploring Jodha cursing her dream of being the most powerful person in India.

Some people never change.

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